I have asked Eaton for the "OK" to do a tournament in between the current HW tourney being done by NHBGUY and the next tournament Eaton is going to do. Still waiting on the green light, but, presuming there's no issues I'd like to get preliminary ideas going.
The idea is a "Limited Weight Gran Prix", an 8-10 man Tourney with limited rules (no eye gouging, no fish hooking), no time limits, and any weight from 135-169.
Any type of competitive sports attire would be allowed (wrestling shoes, Gi, Aoki Pants) and it would be held in a ring.
If you're interested, PM me or just put any ideas here and we can get this thing rolling. I have a basic idea of who to include in the tournament but am open to any suggestions.
To the Death?
Invite Frank Dux!
ttd
Sounds interesting! I think discussing it here could be good, might get some good ideas from everybody.
My first question is did you want to include athletes from other sports, or just experienced mma fighters
Interesting, I love your guy's tournament threads 
Pro Ice - Sounds interesting! I think discussing it here could be good, might get some good ideas from everybody.
My first question is did you want to include athletes from other sports, or just experienced mma fighters
I think since it's a NHB tournament we can include anyone we want.
Here is a list of note-worthy fighters I am considering.
Shinya Aoki
Gilbert Melendez
Kid Yammamoto
Jose Aldo
Rumina Sato
Genki Sudo
Takanori Gomi
BJ Penn
Dominic Cruz
Uriah Faber
Eddie Alvarez
Jens Pulver
Marcelo Garcia
Royce/Royler Gracie
Hayato Sakurai
Frankie Edgar
Please feel free to include anyone you think would be a good addition as well as any interesting matchups.
Nice list , I noticed Sakurai and Royce are somewhat bigger than the rest, If they are being considered I think Pele should be too.
I also think Pequeno should be considered (one of the greatest 145er ever to this point)
Maybe you could add Saitiev to the roster? I think think he'll have as much support as did Karelin in the Ultimate Ultimate tournament (probably deserved, given how much people have evolved since 1993) but it could still lead to some interesting discussion.
It really seems like the bigger guys would have an advantage here though, maybe it should be under 160lbs
Imo if you add guys like Royce, Sakurai, and Pele you could/should also include guys like Hughes and GSP who fight at same weight
Forgot about Pequeno, there was a time when he was widely considered the top 145er in the world. Awesome guillotine, if he got a hold of your neck, it was over.
If your looking for some old school guys you might also want to consider Mikey Burnett and Eugenio Tadeu. I don't know who I'd replace for them, but just a thought.
Heck if you want to go really old school, why not throw in Helio Gracie? He was definitely the right size. How much did Carlson weigh in his prime?
Since we're not limited to mma fighters, you could also throw in the greatest American wrestler of all time, Dan Gable(won gold at 149 lbs) or even Bruce Lee. That could make for some interesting discussion
Dan Gable is basically Zeus to any American wrestler so any poll with him in it could get very heated.
Dan Gable vs Helio Gracie anyone? I predict lots of internet rage on that one.
Gable vs Helio, that would be awesome, and adding Bruce Lee would definitely be interesting
Looks like it might have to be a 16 man tournament. :)
nhbguy -
Since we're not limited to mma fighters, you could also throw in the greatest American wrestler of all time, Dan Gable(won gold at 149 lbs) or even Bruce Lee. That could make for some interesting discussion
Sorry for a quick hijack, but I'm going to have to push back against this claim, nhbguy. While Gable might be, as you say in your next post, Zeus to American wrestlers, there are few high level wrestlers or wrestling fans who would say Gable is the BEST American wrestler of all-time.
He's definitely not the best college wrestler of all-time, that's Cael Sanderson. And I cannot buy any convincing argument that he was better or greater than Bruce Baumgartner (4 world Olympic medals; 2 golds; 3 time World Champion) or John Smith (6 straight Olympic or World golds; once tech falling his way through the world championships).
THAT SAID, his weight makes more sense than Smith (who wrestled at 136lbs in international competition) and his mentality is well suited for MMA. It is not unreasonable to say that Dan Gable was the most well conditioned, hardest working, and physically tough ATHLETE of the 20th Century. Such a pedigree makes him a threat to anyone.
I'm definitely interested in Helio Gracie now that the idea has been put out there.
wiggum -nhbguy -
Since we're not limited to mma fighters, you could also throw in the greatest American wrestler of all time, Dan Gable(won gold at 149 lbs) or even Bruce Lee. That could make for some interesting discussion
Sorry for a quick hijack, but I'm going to have to push back against this claim, nhbguy. While Gable might be, as you say in your next post, Zeus to American wrestlers, there are few high level wrestlers or wrestling fans who would say Gable is the BEST American wrestler of all-time.
He's definitely not the best college wrestler of all-time, that's Cael Sanderson. And I cannot buy any convincing argument that he was better or greater than Bruce Baumgartner (4 world Olympic medals; 2 golds; 3 time World Champion) or John Smith (6 straight Olympic or World golds; once tech falling his way through the world championships).
THAT SAID, his weight makes more sense than Smith (who wrestled at 136lbs in international competition) and his mentality is well suited for MMA. It is not unreasonable to say that Dan Gable was the most well conditioned, hardest working, and physically tough ATHLETE of the 20th Century. Such a pedigree makes him a threat to anyone.
You're right Wiggum, I suppose it was a bit of hyperbole on my part. I should have said something to the affect of the most admired American wrestler of all time. An apt comparison might be the Babe Ruth of wrestling. The Babe's records might have been broken and there are certainly players since then who were better skill for skill, but he still holds a place in the hearts of baseball fans as the Icon of the sport.
Would that be a better comparison?
nhbguy -wiggum -nhbguy -
Since we're not limited to mma fighters, you could also throw in the greatest American wrestler of all time, Dan Gable(won gold at 149 lbs) or even Bruce Lee. That could make for some interesting discussion
Sorry for a quick hijack, but I'm going to have to push back against this claim, nhbguy. While Gable might be, as you say in your next post, Zeus to American wrestlers, there are few high level wrestlers or wrestling fans who would say Gable is the BEST American wrestler of all-time.
He's definitely not the best college wrestler of all-time, that's Cael Sanderson. And I cannot buy any convincing argument that he was better or greater than Bruce Baumgartner (4 world Olympic medals; 2 golds; 3 time World Champion) or John Smith (6 straight Olympic or World golds; once tech falling his way through the world championships).
THAT SAID, his weight makes more sense than Smith (who wrestled at 136lbs in international competition) and his mentality is well suited for MMA. It is not unreasonable to say that Dan Gable was the most well conditioned, hardest working, and physically tough ATHLETE of the 20th Century. Such a pedigree makes him a threat to anyone.
You're right Wiggum, I suppose it was a bit of hyperbole on my part. I should have said something to the affect of the most admired American wrestler of all time. An apt comparison might be the Babe Ruth of wrestling. The Babe's records might have been broken and there are certainly players since then who were better skill for skill, but he still holds a place in the hearts of baseball fans as the Icon of the sport.
Would that be a better comparison?
A perfect one!
He'd still be great in this tournament, too.
So I am pretty solid on having the following people involved-
Bruce Lee
Helio Gracie
Dan Gable
Marcelo Garcia
Manny Paquiao
Since it looks like you're going that route, which is great and will make for some very interesting discussion, you have to put Buakaw in there. Buakaw vs Pacquiao would be awesome.
nhbguy - Since it looks like you're going that route, which is great and will make for some very interesting discussion, you have to put Buakaw in there. Buakaw vs Pacquiao would be awesome.
Done!
Buakaw
Pacquiao
Bruce Lee
Helio Gracie
Dan Gable
Marcelo Garcia
Genki Sudo
BJ Penn
Now that this list has taken some shape, I'm thinking about leaving most modern MMA players out. I think there should still be a few (Sudo, Penn) but for the most part I think since it's a NHB Tournament that the MMA players might be overly dominant.
Thoughts?
^ I think it'd be real cool to leave all the mma guys out, just go other athletes from other disciplines. This got brought up during the last tournament and I think it'd be great idea!
Like you said the mma players would have a major advantage, and would more than likely win the poles by a large margin