Barnett would lose to Carwin, Brock, Cain and maybe even JDS. Just like Nog, Cro Cop, and Hunt, Barnett and Fedor are slowing down, though I still think Fedor is number 1. Fedor and Overeem are two I'd like to see in UFC, not Barnett.
1 Brock Lesnar
Last Fight: 7/03/2010 [UFC] 5-1-0
793
2 Fabricio Werdum
Last Fight: 6/26/2010 [Strike Force] 14-4-1
581
3 Fedor Emelianenko
Last Fight: 6/26/2010 [Strike Force] 31-2-0
493
4 Cain Velasquez
Last Fight: 2/20/2010 [UFC] 8-0-0
466
5 Junior dos Santos
Last Fight: 8/07/2010 [UFC] 12-1-0
391
6 Shane Carwin
Last Fight: 7/03/2010 [UFC] 12-1-0
389
7 Frank Mir
Last Fight: 9/25/2010 [UFC] 14-5-0
352
8 Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Last Fight: 2/20/2010 [UFC] 32-6-1
290
9 Alistair Overeem
Last Fight: 5/15/2010 [Strike Force] 33-11-0
285
10 Josh Barnett
Last Fight: 7/10/2010 [Impact Fighting Championship] 29-5-0
222
11 Brett Rogers
Last Fight: 5/15/2010 [Strike Force] 10-2-0
191
12 Antonio Silva
Last Fight: 5/15/2010 [Strike Force] 14-2-0
190
13 Andrei Arlovski
Last Fight: 5/15/2010 [Strike Force] 15-8-0
166
14 Pedro Rizzo
Last Fight: 7/18/2010 [Impact Fighting Championship] 19-9-0
159
15 Gabriel Gonzaga
Last Fight: 3/21/2010 [UFC] 11-5-0
158
16 Aleksander Emelianenko
Last Fight: 5/22/2010 [Azerbaijan Pankration Federation] 17-3-0
144
17 Cheick Kongo
Last Fight: 3/21/2010 [UFC] 15-6-1
144
18 Mirko Filipovic
Last Fight: 9/25/2010 [UFC] 27-8-2
144
19 Tim Sylvia
Last Fight: 8/14/2010 [Powerhouse World Promotions] 27-6-0
139
20 Cole Konrad
Last Fight: 9/16/2010 [BellatorFC] 6-0-0
126
21 Ben Rothwell
Last Fight: 6/12/2010 [UFC] 31-7-0
121
22 Mike Russow
Last Fight: 5/29/2010 [UFC] 13-1-0
120
23 Travis Wiuff
Last Fight: 5/21/2010 [Moosin] 62-14-0
120
24 Roy Nelson
Last Fight: 8/07/2010 [UFC] 15-5-0
113
25 Neil Grove
Last Fight: 9/16/2010 [BellatorFC] 10-2-1
110
26 Marcio Cruz
Last Fight: 4/03/2010 [Art of Fighting] 7-2-0
98
27 Satoshi Ishii
Last Fight: 9/25/2010 [DREAM] 2-1-0
93
28 Shamil Abdurahimov
Last Fight: 5/14/2010 [Abu Dhabi FC] 10-1-0
93
29 Damian Grabowski
Last Fight: 9/16/2010 [BellatorFC] 13-1-0
93
30 Jeff Monson
Last Fight: 9/04/2010 [Knuckle Up MMA] 36-11-0
90
31 14 Dave Herman
Last Fight: 9/30/2010 [BellatorFC] 18-2-0
90
32 1 Gilbert Yvel
Last Fight: 6/12/2010 [UFC] 36-15-1
89
33 1 Moise Rimbon
Last Fight: 9/18/2010 [Strength & Honor Championship] 16-9-3
86
34 1 Ikuhisa Minowa
Last Fight: 9/25/2010 [DREAM] 46-31-8
84
35 1 Ricco Rodriguez
Last Fight: 7/31/2010 [USA Mixed Martial Arts] 44-11-0
83
36 1 Yoshihiro Nakao
Last Fight: 3/07/2010 [WVR] 9-2-0
81
37 1 Daniel Cormier
Last Fight: 8/21/2010 [Strike Force] 5-0-0
81
38 1 Mike Whitehead
Last Fight: 7/10/2010 [IFC] 25-8-0
80
39 1 Stefan Struve
Last Fight: 8/07/2010 [UFC] 20-4-0
77
40 1 Matt Mitrione
Last Fight: 9/25/2010 [UFC] 3-0-0
74
41 Brendan Schaub
Last Fight: 7/03/2010 [UFC] 6-1-0
69
42 Aaron Rosa
Last Fight: 9/11/2010 [Shark Fight] 16-3-0
68
43 1 Dan Christison
Last Fight: 2/26/2010 [Canadian Fighting Championships] 18-8-0
67
44 1 Joey Beltran
Last Fight: 9/25/2010 [UFC] 12-4-0
67
45 2 D.J. Linderman
Last Fight: 7/10/2010 [SportFight] 8-1-0
61
46 Alexey Oleinik
Last Fight: 9/16/2010 [BellatorFC] 28-7-1
60
47 3 Dion Staring
Last Fight: 6/12/2010 [Beast of the East] 22-7-0
60
48 Jake OBrien
Last Fight: 7/10/2010 [DREAM] 13-4-0
60
49 Patrick Barry
Last Fight: 6/12/2010 [UFC] 5-2-0
59
50 1 Todd Duffee
Last Fight: 5/29/2010 [UFC]
Mr Pulla - Werdum - How would Brock win? He only ever got stopped once (JDS) and he showed up twenty pounds overweight for that fight. Werdum would tap all these wrestlers on the ground and outstrike most of them as well. Werdum in the shape vs Fedor is twice as good as the out of shape Werdum that fought JDS.
The Reem - An absolute beast. His LHW losses were all almost due to cardio because he dropped so much weight. Training at GG has brought his striking to an insane level. You guys think JDS could hang with Badr or Remy? Please. His submission game is better than the main 4 UFC HWs, and his striking is clearly better.
Fedor - is beginning to slip due to age, fights, and inactivity. He's the best fighter of all time, and skill wise still is the toughest test for any HW period.
Barnett - Who knows? Lets see him vs a top fighter. Definitely is an elite catch wrestler with a mean streak and adequate striking.
Antonio Silva - is improving leaps and bounds every fight. He would smoke Carwin. Carwin has a glass jaw and was getting outstruck by Neil Wain. Silva is much better than Shane on the ground.
Prospects - no question. Cormier is the best prospect at HW and I would put money on him beating Brock or Carwin tomorrow. Del Rosario is also another top notch prospect.
By the way, to the guy claiming Mir beating zombie Nog and can't pull the trigger CC more impressively than Fedor, you're hilarious. 2005 CC would stop Mir like some of the c-list fighters Frank lost to, and Nog in 2004 would put on a clinic vs him. Stop making a fool of yourself. Nog looked washed up in the OWGP and CC was going to retire after winning it. He should have. He lost his drive.
Daniel cannot be the top prospect in the HW division, he does not have the size, he is probably smaller than Rashad when Rashad was a heavyweight:
Name Daniel Cormier
Record 5 - 0 - 0 (Win - Loss - Draw)
Wins 3 (T)KOs ( 60 %)
2 Submissions ( 40 %)
Association American Kickboxing Academy
Height 5'11" (181cm)
Weight 248lbs (113kg)
Style Wrestling
Birth Date 1979-03-20
City San Jose, California
Country United States
Sherdog Store List Daniel Cormier Products
Josh who?
role model - That statement is laughable, and anyone defending it is either trolling or a strikeforce shill. Brock, Carwin, JDS, Cain outclassOvereem, Werdum, Barnett, Fedor pretty heavily. In a round robin style tournament between the two orgs, the UFC would probably win 80% of the fights <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
I strongly disagree. I think Fedor and The Reem could and would beat all four. Barnett would sub Carwin and Werdum would as well.
role model - That statement is laughable, and anyone defending it is either trolling or a strikeforce shill. Brock, Carwin, JDS, Cain outclassOvereem, Werdum, Barnett, Fedor pretty heavily. In a round robin style tournament between the two orgs, the UFC would probably win 80% of the fights
I believe you sir, are the troll.
nobones - Cain beat Noguiera a perennial top 10 and until recently top 5 HW. And he beat Noguiera faster than anyone ever has before, finishing him in the first round.
You're pathetic. Yeah, that victory over Zombie Nog was real impressive...AA & Sylvia were top 5 opponents when Fedor beat them, but people don't seem remember that. Apparently they were both washed up at the time, so Fedor's wins over them don't mean anything...
The Andrei Arlovski that lit up Ben Rothwell is not the same fighter that we see today.
And Cain beat the same Nog that Fedor & Cro Cop battered??? GTFO!!!
Rogers is a completely overblown HW, totally overrated. He fought like a BUM against Alistair not even remotely competitive. And Alistair has been beaten several times in the past. To compare Rogers with Velasquez is just...dumb.
So because Overeem lost several times when he was in his teens & early 20's that somehow invalidates him as a top HW today? Mir fought like a BUM against PE DE PANO! At least Rogers got crushed by a top guy.
Watch when he got top position on Fedor, he really didn't know what to do and amazingly Fedor still couldn't get out from bottom. Against Overeem, when he got hit he had no idea how to try and take Overeem down. He had no clue how to tie Overeem up, try for a knee tap or a leg trip or anything. If you are a better striker than Velasquez he'll take you down and pound on you. If you are better on the ground than he is, he'll light you up with leg kicks and and can knock you out.
Not sure what this has to do with anything. I never even said that Rogers was as good as Cain. I actually like Cain alot and think he's a damn good fighter. But his record dosen't exactly spell "world beater". I still think he's gonna beat Brock. And lol@ Fedor not being able to get out from under Rogers. A few seconds after he was reversed he nearly had Rogers in an armbar and was back on top before the round ended.
^^^Nog came into the UFC and looked good beating Heath Herring. Yeah, Heath nearly killed him with that head kick, but aside from the last 15 seconds of the 1st round, Nog completely dominated that entire fight all but for about 15 seconds. He beat Syliva in his next fight, and took a tremendous amount of punishment doing so. The Mir fight was almost a year later. That's a long ass fuckin' time. Plenty of time to get old.
Chuck was on an incredible streak too, then ran into Rampage. Then Jardine. Beat a fading Wanderlei, then got DESTROYED by Rashed. Then KO'ed by Shogun. Then by Franklin. This was pretty much the same time Nog & Mirko started to decline.
btw, you're both idiots.
strikeforce having a better HW division is he having a girraffe? 
Josh must have moved of the roids on to psychadelics.
He would say something that ridiculous. Just because you've got Fedor, Werdum, Ubereem, and Bigfoot, doesn't make your HW division the best. Especially when you can't keep them active 3-4 times a year. Barnett is irrelevant.
I Embarrass Even Myself - Overeem would kill Carwin.
Mir would get murdered by Overeem, Barnett and Fedor.
Cain would beat all 3 of them.
JDS???
Brock would beat Barnett.
He's somewhat right. They each have 3 big superstar heavyweights.
Come back Overeem has beaten a top level HW.
He didn't beat anyone of any note at LHW.
Co-Promotional event: Strikeforce vs UFC
Overeem vs Lesnar
Werdum vs Velasquez
Fedor vs Carwin
Barnett vs JDS
Bigfoot vs Mir
Rogers vs Nelson
I call 4-2 UFC!!
brahmabull81 -hbjj -Brock75thRanger - Fedors biggest wins were Crocop and Nog
Mir beat both those guys in much more dominating fashion,Mir isnt considered top 5 in the ufc hw,maybe 5th if he is
Yes i expect the typical Nog and Crocop walked through a post prime time warp the minute they entered the ufc
fact is Brock,Crocop,Nog,and Fedor are all within 2 years of each other in age.Funny how that post prime thing seems to coincidentally happen when the 3 pride guys leave japan,like they old got old on the same day or sumthin
hey moron, people said Nog looked Shot after herring KO'd him (only to lose) in their third fight. Cro Cop has looked fucking WEIRD since Gonzaga kicked his head off.
Dont act like these guys were whooping ass and ruling the world when Mir fought them.
Cro Cop had just fought a guy most people thought gave him the fight, and has looked like shit for long before that. I mean he didnt even kill Perosh. Hes NOT the same fighter, whether you think thats an excuse or not.
Nog... lol theyve been calling him zombie nog for like 3 years now.... yet you act like its all of a sudden being claimed hes old.
If you dont get the concept of fighter mileage and how it relates to age then shut the fuck up.
i dont think Nog or Cro Cop (then or now) wouldve had issues beating the shit out of Wes Sims or half the guys that beat the FUCK out of Mir throughout the years.
Fuck you and your sheep logic.
Fedor's time has passed, maybe, but stop discrediting him for wins that were meaningful at the time.
Totally agree.
And, anyway, how is it that Brock75Ranger is comparing Mir to Fedor given their respective # of losses?
As for the topic at hand, I'm not sure who's lineup of heavies is better, but I will say that if you put all the strikeforce and ufc heavies in the TUF house for a season, I'd start watching that show again.
To which I'd like to disagree by pointing out that Mir has
Mr Pulla - Werdum - How would Brock win? He only ever got stopped once (JDS) and he showed up twenty pounds overweight for that fight. Werdum would tap all these wrestlers on the ground and outstrike most of them as well. Werdum in the shape vs Fedor is twice as good as the out of shape Werdum that fought JDS.
The Reem - An absolute beast. His LHW losses were all almost due to cardio because he dropped so much weight. Training at GG has brought his striking to an insane level. You guys think JDS could hang with Badr or Remy? Please. His submission game is better than the main 4 UFC HWs, and his striking is clearly better.
Fedor - is beginning to slip due to age, fights, and inactivity. He's the best fighter of all time, and skill wise still is the toughest test for any HW period.
Barnett - Who knows? Lets see him vs a top fighter. Definitely is an elite catch wrestler with a mean streak and adequate striking.
Antonio Silva - is improving leaps and bounds every fight. He would smoke Carwin. Carwin has a glass jaw and was getting outstruck by Neil Wain. Silva is much better than Shane on the ground.
Prospects - no question. Cormier is the best prospect at HW and I would put money on him beating Brock or Carwin tomorrow. Del Rosario is also another top notch prospect.
By the way, to the guy claiming Mir beating zombie Nog and can't pull the trigger CC more impressively than Fedor, you're hilarious. 2005 CC would stop Mir like some of the c-list fighters Frank lost to, and Nog in 2004 would put on a clinic vs him. Stop making a fool of yourself. Nog looked washed up in the OWGP and CC was going to retire after winning it. He should have. He lost his drive.
I agree with most of this but have to give it a 10/20 because you haven't described the top UFC heavies.
LastMinuteReplacement -eljamaiquino -Brock75thRanger -brahmabull81 -hbjj -Brock75thRanger - Fedors biggest wins were Crocop and Nog
Mir beat both those guys in much more dominating fashion,Mir isnt considered top 5 in the ufc hw,maybe 5th if he is
Yes i expect the typical Nog and Crocop walked through a post prime time warp the minute they entered the ufc
fact is Brock,Crocop,Nog,and Fedor are all within 2 years of each other in age.Funny how that post prime thing seems to coincidentally happen when the 3 pride guys leave japan,like they old got old on the same day or sumthin
hey moron, people said Nog looked Shot after herring KO'd him (only to lose) in their third fight. Cro Cop has looked fucking WEIRD since Gonzaga kicked his head off.
Dont act like these guys were whooping ass and ruling the world when Mir fought them.
Cro Cop had just fought a guy most people thought gave him the fight, and has looked like shit for long before that. I mean he didnt even kill Perosh. Hes NOT the same fighter, whether you think thats an excuse or not.
Nog... lol theyve been calling him zombie nog for like 3 years now.... yet you act like its all of a sudden being claimed hes old.
If you dont get the concept of fighter mileage and how it relates to age then shut the fuck up.
i dont think Nog or Cro Cop (then or now) wouldve had issues beating the shit out of Wes Sims or half the guys that beat the FUCK out of Mir throughout the years.
Fuck you and your sheep logic.
Fedor's time has passed, maybe, but stop discrediting him for wins that were meaningful at the time.
crocop came into the ufc on a 4 fight winning streak,i dont remember anyone saying he was post prime then.
Nog came into the ufc winning 5 out of his last 6 fights and directly after a win over Barnett,considering he was only 29 at the time i dont think anyone was crying post prime.In hindsight we judged them in the ufc and lack of success and say well they are obviously past there prime,but if you look at it through objective eyes you will see that both post prime careers happened as soon as they hit the ufc,both having had tremendous success the 2 previous years in pride and both being the same age within a year or 2 as Brock Lesnar who hadnt even had his first mma fight yet.
So again,Mir's biggest wins are more impressive then Fedor's because he is 1-1 against Brock as well so he holds a win over him.
Now if you want to talk about guys who Mir lost to that Fedor wouldnt have lost to i can name about 25 guys who Fedor beat that any top 20 hw would beat,including McCorkle who beat Hunt in about a minute,the same Hunt that almost subbed fedor and have him all he could handle
Sad but true.....
whats even sadder that most people are too stupid to realize this
Yo arguments about the implications of how crappy UFC records versus prior successful Pride records are worthless if they don't acknowledge the likely significance of tougher PED testing in the UFC.
Barnett,Ubereem,FEDOR,Werdum,Bigfoot,Sergei,Shane Del Rosario,Arlovski,Rogers,Lavar Johnson > Brock,Cain,Carwin,Mir,Kongo,Gonzaga,JDS,Nelson,Nog,McCorkle
Bobby Lupo - He's right. Cain's stock will drop soon too after he gets run over by Brock.
Hope Brock worked on his stand up! Cain's stand up is beat compared to most of the Heavyweights. Ready for Cain vs JDS after Cain takes the title.
drugs finally got to Barnetts head..
Drugs are bad mmmmkay
nobones -rockwell - Hahaha he's made himself look like a right plum.
"right the plum"? Something tells me you aren't from the US? In the US we do try and READ posts before howling with laughter.
Of course liquidrob is the exception. He never quite learned how to read.
Yeah righto mate whatever you say. In the US the level of literacy is the same as the UK so apparently in the US you don't read any better than us Brits. Never mind I'm not gonna argue against a whole and diverse nation just because of one fuckwit (that's you in case you didn't understand).
So how are they LEGIT top 20 HW (as you wrote) except from 3 of them aren't as that would make it a top 23?
Oh and since you are now adding Barnett as a top 20 HW that makes 24 so 4 of your original LEGIT top 20 HW fighters aren't on the list now.
You are weak as piss bro.