^^^You knew what I meant, I got it from you on another thread!
And for the record I think Fedor is still the GOAT!
But I do think that Brock has the tools to beat him.
Brock is not an easy fight for any HW of any era.
^ you could say the same thing about at least 15 different heavyweights through history.
GSP's 6 fight run of:
Koscheck, Hughes, Serra, Fitch, Penn, Alves is pretty tough to beat.
If you eliminate GSP from the equation, GSP beat 3, possibly 4 (depending on where you had Serra) #1 fighters in his weight class. That doesn't include the dream fight with Penn or win over top 5 Koscheck.
IF Brock completes the run, it will be amazing, but certainly not the greatest run any MMA fighter has EVER been on.
WALES1 - Coleman is a legend.
But Randy is 14 years and 60+lbs?
Mir is shit, but you rate Hoffman, Schilt, Babalu, Randleman and Rogers who have done fuck all in MMA compared to Mir.
When Coleman met Fedor was he not legendary already?
I think you'll find he was.
This was 2004 remember.
Coleman was 39.
He was the same size as Fedor.
He was a FAR better wrestler than Brock could ever dream of.
He'd already won 2 UFC tourneys.
He had already been UFC HW champ.
He was the reigning openweight champ.
He'd just beaten Vovchanchyn and lost to Nog.
He was still "in it".
When Randy met Brock?
He was 46. 7 years older than Coleman when he fought Fedor.
MASSIVELY undersized.
He weighed in at 220 and sources indicate he was around that at fight time.
Brock weighed in at 265 and sources suggested he may have been around 280 come fight time. That is a big difference.
Oh and looking at Bobby Hoffman for example the guy was 27-4-1 going in to fight Fedor and had only lost to Barnett, Smith and Volk Han and yet had beaten guys like Overeem, Herring and Ricco Rodriguez.
It's easy to look at Hoffman and say he was a 'can' but that only proves you weren't there at the time.
WALES1 - And for the record I think Fedor is still the GOAT!
But I do think that Brock has the tools to beat him.
Brock is not an easy fight for any HW of any era.
That is the least shitty post you've made (maybe inspired by pretty much everyone taking you to task but none the less) but I digress.
Brock may have the tools to beat Fedor NOW. I personally don't think it's likely just yet but give Fedor a few more years on the clock and it's possible.
However we all get old sometime and we should not forget that Fedor has plenty of mileage on him too. He certainly hasn't looked as untouchable lately (Rogers, Werdum). He may already be on the downwards slope.
My main issue with Brock isn't that he isn't winning or even capable of winning. It's that he is not a very complete fighter. His skills are lacklustre in many departments.
He wins because he is a specimen. But good luck to him.
RyannVonDoom - Alistair isn't Freeza.. wtf?
LMAO that shyt made my night
rockwell -WALES1 - Coleman is a legend.
But Randy is 14 years and 60+lbs?
Mir is shit, but you rate Hoffman, Schilt, Babalu, Randleman and Rogers who have done fuck all in MMA compared to Mir.
When Coleman met Fedor was he not legendary already?
I think you'll find he was.
This was 2004 remember.
Coleman was 39.
He was the same size as Fedor.
He was a FAR better wrestler than Brock could ever dream of.
He'd already won 2 UFC tourneys.
He had already been UFC HW champ.
He was the reigning openweight champ.
He'd just beaten Vovchanchyn and lost to Nog.
He was still "in it".
When Randy met Brock?
He was 46. 7 years older than Coleman when he fought Fedor.
MASSIVELY undersized.
He weighed in at 220 and sources indicate he was around that at fight time.
Brock weighed in at 265 and sources suggested he may have been around 280 come fight time. That is a big difference.
Oh and looking at Bobby Hoffman for example the guy was 27-4-1 going in to fight Fedor and had only lost to Barnett, Smith and Volk Han and yet had beaten guys like Overeem, Herring and Ricco Rodriguez.
It's easy to look at Hoffman and say he was a 'can' but that only proves you weren't there at the time.
You still rated Babalu, Randleman and Rogers over Mir. How?
And Coleman had already been worked out by the time he faced Fedor.
Randy was a legend AND CHAMPION when he faced Brock.
Dellamorte - JDS, Cain, Brock, Carwin
vs
Fedor, Overeem, Werdum, Barnett
I'd pick the UFC in that tourney.
I would take Strikeforce actually. Fedor, Overeem, and Barnett are better
nobones -
I'm a fucking idiot.
Fixed for you.
nobones - I also put as honorable mention other HWs. These are fighters that I didn't put on my top 20 but I could see others having on their list in place of some of the guys I put on my list:
Seth Petruzelli
Aleksander Emelianenko
Sergei Kharitonov
This just shows what a complete fucking idiot and UFC arsekisser you really are.
SETH FUCKING PETRUZELLI?????
REALLY?????
You could see "others" puttting "SETH PETRUZELLI" on their top 20 list?
Whose list?
A fucking blind retard?
No disrespect to Seth P but are you fucking mental.
The ONLY person who could POSSIBLY even consider Seth P for a top 20 HW would be a total TUF noob who thought his win over TUF superstar Kimbo was worth a shit.
It seems your TUF noob tendencies are coming out now...
You fucking tit.
nobones - On my watch list as breakout top 20 stars I have the following HWs. These are young fighters with good potential that just need 1 good breakout win to be top 20:
Shane Del Rosario
Matt Mitrione
Jon Madsen
Sean McCorkle
You think any of these guys could be top 20 with just 1 "breakout win"?
I think you are deluded from too much Zuffa Kool Aid.
Nice effort putting McCorkle in there. You obviously know he posts on the UG so you are hoping he'll see your praise and let you blow him.
nobones - I would break down the top 10 into two groups:
Top 5 Elite:
Brock Lesnar
Cain Velasquez
Shane Carwin
Junior Dos Santos
Alistair Overeem
Bottom 5:
Roy Nelson
Antonio Rodrigo Noguiera
Frank Mir
Fedor Emelianenko
Fabricio Werdum
I think a number of top 20 fighters can peak in and out of the bottom 5 list guys like Antonio Silva, Ben Rothwell, Gabriel Gonzaga, etc. But I don't see too many guys ascending to the top 5 elite status any in the next year.
Ah your idiocy just doesn't stop does it?
So Werdum is in the bottom half of your top 10 but Overeem is in the top half.
Despite the fact that Werdum beat Overeem just a few years back. Yet you rate JDS' win over Werdum as a way of discrediting Strikeforce heavyweights.
You have clearly demonstrated what you use to form your rankings.
Idiocy and sheep-like drip fed 3rd hand information.
WALES1 -rockwell -WALES1 - Coleman is a legend.
But Randy is 14 years and 60+lbs?
Mir is shit, but you rate Hoffman, Schilt, Babalu, Randleman and Rogers who have done fuck all in MMA compared to Mir.
When Coleman met Fedor was he not legendary already?
I think you'll find he was.
This was 2004 remember.
Coleman was 39.
He was the same size as Fedor.
He was a FAR better wrestler than Brock could ever dream of.
He'd already won 2 UFC tourneys.
He had already been UFC HW champ.
He was the reigning openweight champ.
He'd just beaten Vovchanchyn and lost to Nog.
He was still "in it".
When Randy met Brock?
He was 46. 7 years older than Coleman when he fought Fedor.
MASSIVELY undersized.
He weighed in at 220 and sources indicate he was around that at fight time.
Brock weighed in at 265 and sources suggested he may have been around 280 come fight time. That is a big difference.
Oh and looking at Bobby Hoffman for example the guy was 27-4-1 going in to fight Fedor and had only lost to Barnett, Smith and Volk Han and yet had beaten guys like Overeem, Herring and Ricco Rodriguez.
It's easy to look at Hoffman and say he was a 'can' but that only proves you weren't there at the time.
You still rated Babalu, Randleman and Rogers over Mir. How?
And Coleman had already been worked out by the time he faced Fedor.
Randy was a legend AND CHAMPION when he faced Brock.
Nope I simply listed the fights involved in both fighters streaks and gave my personal opinions on them.
You chose to highlight Coleman and Randy and now that I've justified my opinions on that and you have no answers you are now switching to other fighters from the list.
I made no comment after Babalu.
Do you not think Babalu is a tough fight for anyone?
You think Randleman (at the time) or Rogers (at the time) was an easy win for any HW?
You said you didn't rate Mir.
But then you went on to credit Rogers, and Randleman and Babalu as good HWs.
Mir is better than all 3 by some distance.
No, I don't think Babalu is a tough fight for a HW. He is a LHW.
FitchFan - Dear Josh Barnett,
I still own your ass, shut the fuck up.
Sincerely,
Mirko Filipovi?
Dear Josh Barnett,
I am 3-0 against you.
Brock75thRanger - Fedors biggest wins were Crocop and Nog
Mir beat both those guys in much more dominating fashion,Mir isnt considered top 5 in the ufc hw,maybe 5th if he is
Yes i expect the typical Nog and Crocop walked through a post prime time warp the minute they entered the ufc
fact is Brock,Crocop,Nog,and Fedor are all within 2 years of each other in age.Funny how that post prime thing seems to coincidentally happen when the 3 pride guys leave japan,like they old got old on the same day or sumthin
So what's your excuse for Mir getting his ass kicked by a 1-0 fighter that couldn't hack it in the UFC?
Both organizations are stacked with top HW's, it's too close to compare IMO
WALES1 - You said you didn't rate Mir.
But then you went on to credit Rogers, and Randleman and Babalu as good HWs.
Mir is better than all 3 by some distance.
No, I don't think Babalu is a tough fight for a HW. He is a LHW.
So are Vera and Ian Freeman but they still beat Mir.
You are correct, A HW Freeman beat the shit out of a young Mir, but this was still years before Freeman dropped down to LHW.
Vera did beat the shit out of a fat and out of shape Mir.
What has Babalu done at HW?
Oh right. So Randy isn't too old losing to Brock. But Mir is too young losing to Freeman. And Mir is fat and out of shape against Vera. But Herring isn't a "has been" against Brock. I see your arguments only apply when it suits your standpoint. 