maybe he should get invicta to sign him
Ben is awesome. We lost as fans. Anyone that is bored by him is exactly the type of “fan” that Dana caters to. Knockout or the fight sucked. You dislike 70% of the fights in UFC history.
triforce -"Askren not good enough for the UFC"
-UFC proceeds to sign CM Punk
Lol
The GOAT
lol wut ^
sgotwalks -He has every right to that opinion of Dana. He has been black balled by the UFC for speaking his mind.
With that said, CRE is going to show in with his cock in his hand any minute now!
Bro, CRE started the thread with his cock in his hand.
UFC is in the entertainment business and Askren is not entertaining in most people's minds. He takes his oppponents down over and over until they give up and then he pounds them out. He has never fought anyone hardly worth mentioning, not all his fault mind you. There would be some fun fights in the UFC for him but he would also get embarrassed by alot of WW's. His stand up is putrid and anyone who can stop his takedowns is going to make him look foolish.
GOAT St. Pierre - No Askren to UFC :\
I was just wondering about Ben Askzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzz....
Everytime he fights Askren is the talk of the town.
luctaro -SinCityHustler -luctaro -Seats Taken -He’s making an good amount of loot outside the UFC, and his real bread and butter and his long term impact in the world is his Wrestling Academy. Good on him for doing what he felt was right instead of bowing down like everyone else. The only person that really lost out is the fans.
The only person that really feels he lost something is Ben Askren, or else he wouldnt still be salty about it as he looks retirement in the face.
He did lose something. We all did as fans as well. He has every right to have the opinion of White that he has. He didn’t say anything we don’t all believe about White. That said, he made a great situation from the hand he was dealt.
True, but I do believe he carries some blame on his shoulders for the handling of the situation.
His hand was not entirely given by The Fates, he chose to fight in the boringest style ever and antagonize his boss and fans about it, leading to getting tossed out of the promotion he was Champion of, and putting the UFC in the awkward position of considering getting Fitch 2.0 and a competitors reject to boot.
His ease of tongue in talking shit about people also has another name: burning bridges. He and his fans can say "he did it his way" for sure. But in the end we will never know how good or bad he would have done.
Would he have been a Will Brooks or a Luke Rockhold? Would he have lingered with a 60k payout or could he have co-headlined PPVs with Conor Mcgregor and get Tyron Woodley money? Hey guess he said some things he wanted to say, at the moment he wanted to say them. Thats enough.
I agree with this.
I think Askren is good but he’s not dynamic and his fighting style is boring. It doesn’t appeal to the masses and probably would not generate pay per view sales.
Like any other sport, you have to be really good or dynamic if you are going to talk shit and somewhat be a problem child. In the case of fighters, you have to bring a style to the plate that makes money. Askren was not that type of fighter.
I think he could have fought in the UFC if he took a different approach. That was his mistake.
keithws2 -luctaro -SinCityHustler -luctaro -Seats Taken -He’s making an good amount of loot outside the UFC, and his real bread and butter and his long term impact in the world is his Wrestling Academy. Good on him for doing what he felt was right instead of bowing down like everyone else. The only person that really lost out is the fans.
The only person that really feels he lost something is Ben Askren, or else he wouldnt still be salty about it as he looks retirement in the face.
He did lose something. We all did as fans as well. He has every right to have the opinion of White that he has. He didn’t say anything we don’t all believe about White. That said, he made a great situation from the hand he was dealt.
True, but I do believe he carries some blame on his shoulders for the handling of the situation.
His hand was not entirely given by The Fates, he chose to fight in the boringest style ever and antagonize his boss and fans about it, leading to getting tossed out of the promotion he was Champion of, and putting the UFC in the awkward position of considering getting Fitch 2.0 and a competitors reject to boot.
His ease of tongue in talking shit about people also has another name: burning bridges. He and his fans can say "he did it his way" for sure. But in the end we will never know how good or bad he would have done.
Would he have been a Will Brooks or a Luke Rockhold? Would he have lingered with a 60k payout or could he have co-headlined PPVs with Conor Mcgregor and get Tyron Woodley money? Hey guess he said some things he wanted to say, at the moment he wanted to say them. Thats enough.
I agree with this.
I think Askren is good but he’s not dynamic and his fighting style is boring. It doesn’t appeal to the masses and probably would not generate pay per view sales.
Like any other sport, you have to be really good or dynamic if you are going to talk shit and somewhat be a problem child. In the case of fighters, you have to bring a style to the plate that makes money. Askren was not that type of fighter.
I think he could have fought in the UFC if he took a different approach. That was his mistake.
Askren’s ground game is very dynamic, he does things on the ground the way that Conor does things on the feet.
Bitch about his style all you want. Until someone stops him from imposing his will upon them, it's a moot point He wins by sloth choke but you can't stop it, so meh
Blazing Knees -Bitch about his style all you want. Until someone stops him from imposing his will upon them, it's a moot point He wins by sloth choke but you can't stop it, so meh
People don't respect actual greatness anymore. That's why Max Holloway doesn't get much attention or admiration from the mainstream.
The peabrain casual cares more about how many Instagram followers someone has than how long their unbeaten streak is or actual contributions to sport.</p>
It appears that someone of you have no understanding of marketability. It’s not a question of talent and that’s not the argument.
Is his style of fighting fun to watch and does his style make money for organizations. The answer is no.
If you are a grappling purist and enjoy a fighter that relies on a smothering and conservative top game to win, that’s fine. However, you’re an extremely small representation of the MMA fan base and have a very limited impact on pay per view numbers and TV ratings.
Again, Askren should have played the game better if he wanted to continue fighting in a top organization. Askren is not a bad guy and he’s a good fighter but Dana looses nothing by deciding not to sign him. Is what it is.
keithws2 - It appears that someone of you have no understanding of marketability. It's not a question of talent and that's not the argument.Is his style of fighting fun to watch and does his style make money for organizations. The answer is no. If you are a grappling purist and enjoy a fighter that relies on a smothering and conservative top game to win, that's fine. However, you're an extremely small representation of the MMA fan base and have a very limited impact on pay per view numbers and TV ratings. Again, Askren should have played the game better if he wanted to continue fighting in a top organization. Askren is not a bad guy and he's a good fighter but Dana looses nothing by deciding not to sign him. Is what it is.</span></blockquote>
UFC loses sporting integrity and the fans lose out on finding out if Askren is possibly the best fighter in the world pound for pound. He's profitable as proven by his ratings being higher than fighters that Bellator and others doled out cash for.</p>
| BELLATOR MMA LIVE 179 | SPIKE | 9:00 PM | 607,000 | 0.2 |
^^Rory vs. Daley
The Bellator Fighting Championships averaged 812,000 viewers during Thursday night’s live broadcast of "Bellator 86 Askren vs. Amoussou on Spike TV.
Sherdog.com confirmed the viewership figure with an industry source on Friday, who also verified that the two-hour broadcast earned a household rating of 0.7 and a rating of 0.62 in males aged 18-49. Additionally, an immediate replay of the show netted another 319,000 viewers, totaling more than 1.1 million observers for the four-hour block."
"Like most summer television programming, Bellator’s Summer Series events have struggled to garner much steam in the TV ratings.
Bellator 97 Askren vs. Koreshkov on Wednesday night did reasonably well, however, drawing and average audience of 679,000 viewers on Spike TV, which is well above the 480,000 viewers that Bellator 96 drew on June 19"
keithws2 - It appears that someone of you have no understanding of marketability. It's not a question of talent and that's not the argument.Is his style of fighting fun to watch and does his style make money for organizations. The answer is no. If you are a grappling purist and enjoy a fighter that relies on a smothering and conservative top game to win, that's fine. However, you're an extremely small representation of the MMA fan base and have a very limited impact on pay per view numbers and TV ratings. Again, Askren should have played the game better if he wanted to continue fighting in a top organization. Askren is not a bad guy and he's a good fighter but Dana looses nothing by deciding not to sign him. Is what it is.</span></blockquote>
Basically there's no denying that Bellator did better numbers with Ben Askren than they have with Rory Macdonald. So the idea that Ben's approach to fighting is intriguing to an extremely small representation of the MMA fan base is biased and not based in facts. Rory supposedly has the much more fan friendly style and was built up in the UFC, having fought big names like Nate Diaz and a title bout with Robbie Lawler that won fight of the year.</p>Fans want to see excellence, they want to watch the best. Ben Askren is that.
Man. One fight is a large sample size.
And let’s talk about that Bellator 97 card. I imagine you did quite a bit of research to make your comparisons and chose to ignore the quality of that card. Do you think the following factors could have contributed to a solid viewer number.
Mo lawal fought for the LH tourney final.
Minakaw fought for the Heavy tourney final.
Chandler was fighting in a light weight championship fight.
Askren vs Koreshkov was not the even the headline fight.
Whether you like it or not, Askren’s wrestling fighting style is the reason standup rules were made. And ask yourself, why would organizations create stand up rules. Was it because fans found it to be exciting? Organizations could profit from wrestling matches?
The proof is in the pudding. Fans do not want to see Askren or he’d be fighting for the UFC or Bellator. Neither organization would turn down a marketable fighter.
Cool meme, though. That capoeira kick was legit. Too bad he never incorporated that type of excitement in his fights!
Again, I definitely agree with Askren being a very good fighter. No disputing that.
keithws2 - Man. One fight is a large sample size.And let’s talk about that Bellator 97 card. I imagine you did quite a bit of research to make your comparisons and chose to ignore the quality of that card. Do you think the following factors could have contributed to a solid viewer number.
Mo lawal fought for the LH tourney final.
Minakaw fought for the Heavy tourney final.
Chandler was fighting in a light weight championship fight.
Askren vs Koreshkov was not the even the headline fight.
Whether you like it or not, Askren’s wrestling fighting style is the reason standup rules were made. And ask yourself, why would organizations create stand up rules. Was it because fans found it to be exciting? Organizations could profit from wrestling matches?
The proof is in the pudding. Fans do not want to see Askren or he’d be fighting for the UFC or Bellator. Neither organization would turn down a marketable fighter.
Cool meme, though. That capoeira kick was legit. Too bad he never incorporated that type of excitement in his fights!
Again, I definitely agree with Askren being a very good fighter. No disputing that.
Mo Lawal fought on Bellator 96 also
Minakov fought on Bellator 96 as well
Babalu and War Machine were also on Bellator 96 so it’s not a huge difference in name talent.
Why do we still talk about some guy that is not going to make a name in the UFC. The fan base is just not there. I think you are the only one that discusses him.