Thanks man, I will look it up and let u know if I can apply it or not on the mats. If I get choked out I am gonna be pissed..lol!! 
leftlegtrumpcard - Thanks man, I will look it up and let u know if I can apply it or not on the mats. If I get choked out I am gonna be pissed..lol!! <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
No problem man :-) Hahaha who wouldn't get pissed!!
"You wake up and are safe,no damage has been done to you by this "white" belt. Does it matter if he is a white belt then?”
To my rational brain? No. But my ego would sure as shit be bruised.=p
I think CACC could be better for guys with a great wrestling base
Captain America - I think CACC could be better for guys with a great wrestling base <img src="/images/phone/post_tag.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
for sure
teaching CACC to a guy who has never wrestled or done any combative sports. . . he is not going to get good, at least not quickly
teach BJJ to a guy who has never done anything, he will get good faster. BJJ > CACC when u are starting from square 1.
this is just my opinion and what i have encountered
MickColins - "<span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 20px; font-size: small; border-collapse: collapse; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">You wake up and are safe,no damage has been done to you by this "white" belt. Does it matter if he is a white belt then?”
To my rational brain? No. But my ego would sure as shit be bruised.=p<br type="_moz" /></span>
See your point :-)
The issue with catch and mma is that the wrestlers in the UFC like Mighty Mouse, Guida, etc… don’t care or need to go for a submission. Their styles are american college wrestling and they’d rather smother and control rather than risk position with offense. Guida got a cross face from halfguard on Pettis and could only muster lame shoulder shots he was so afraid to lose position. There are wrestlers like Barnett that roll catch-style but they are few and far between.
I actually been trying to find as much CACC submission stuff as I can and trying to incorporate it into my game. Actually been catching people in a few subs that I really like to use, thinking that it works well because people aren't familiar with it.
jackandcoke02 - I actually been trying to find as much CACC submission stuff as I can and trying to incorporate it into my game. Actually been catching people in a few subs that I really like to use, thinking that it works well because people aren't familiar with it.
That's why I think it is as effective as it is. Because that style has a such unique technique. I mean I have never seen those types of locks and not to mention the all the different positions you can nail those submissions from.
I still dont know in detail what catch wrestling is.....explain the major difference between catch and bjj please so I can clear it up
Antonik - Many people I have talked to thinks that the Brazilian's almost invented submissions, which is not true. I was at a seminar with a British catch wrestler about a year ago. The stuff he showed was incredible effective! When I roll with some Bjj guys at the gym, they simple have no answer to the techniques. What do you guys think? Who is the most usefull in MMA, Catch or BJJ?
I'll said it plenty of times in this forum and I'll say it again ,
1) There were and are very few catch wrestlers in the history of MMA - those that call themselves catch wrestlers
2) And amongst these catch wrestlers , there are very few of them that utilized catch wrestling moves from match to match to win inside of the cage. e.g. Randy Couture calls himself a catch wrestler and never really used catch wrestling in his matches inside of the cage. He really wanted during his match with Machida by training with Melancon but unfortunately got his teeth knocked out while endeavoring to corner Machida so that he could perform a submission.
3) Catch wrestling has been proven ineffective in competitions such as the ADCC
4) IT'S REALLY RETARDED AND COMPLETELY DEGENERATE TO CLAIM SUCH JUVENILE ARGUMENTS SUCH AS " CATCH WRESTLING INVENTED SUBMISSIONS . "
Really , just how pathetic are you?
BTW , catch wrestlers are roided perpetual convicts , I kid you not. They'll lie and steal their way unrelentingly and justify it with deluded and degenerate arguments every single time.
GCT -Retarded reply, usual stuff from you.Antonik - Many people I have talked to thinks that the Brazilian's almost invented submissions, which is not true. I was at a seminar with a British catch wrestler about a year ago. The stuff he showed was incredible effective! When I roll with some Bjj guys at the gym, they simple have no answer to the techniques. What do you guys think? Who is the most usefull in MMA, Catch or BJJ?
I'll said it plenty of times in this forum and I'll say it again ,
1) There were and are very few catch wrestlers in the history of MMA - those that call themselves catch wrestlers
2) And amongst these catch wrestlers , there are very few of them that utilized catch wrestling moves from match to match to win inside of the cage. e.g. Randy Couture calls himself a catch wrestler and never really used catch wrestling in his matches inside of the cage. He really wanted during his match with Machida by training with Melancon but unfortunately got his teeth knocked out while endeavoring to corner Machida so that he could perform a submission.
3) Catch wrestling has been proven ineffective in competitions such as the ADCC
4) IT'S REALLY RETARDED AND COMPLETELY DEGENERATE TO CLAIM SUCH JUVENILE ARGUMENTS SUCH AS " CATCH WRESTLING INVENTED SUBMISSIONS . "
Really , just how pathetic are you?
BTW , catch wrestlers are roided perpetual convicts , I kid you not. They'll lie and steal their way unrelentingly and justify it with deluded and degenerate arguments every single time.
SpartanFightClub -GCT -Retarded reply, usual stuff from you.Antonik - Many people I have talked to thinks that the Brazilian's almost invented submissions, which is not true. I was at a seminar with a British catch wrestler about a year ago. The stuff he showed was incredible effective! When I roll with some Bjj guys at the gym, they simple have no answer to the techniques. What do you guys think? Who is the most usefull in MMA, Catch or BJJ?
I'll said it plenty of times in this forum and I'll say it again ,
1) There were and are very few catch wrestlers in the history of MMA - those that call themselves catch wrestlers
2) And amongst these catch wrestlers , there are very few of them that utilized catch wrestling moves from match to match to win inside of the cage. e.g. Randy Couture calls himself a catch wrestler and never really used catch wrestling in his matches inside of the cage. He really wanted during his match with Machida by training with Melancon but unfortunately got his teeth knocked out while endeavoring to corner Machida so that he could perform a submission.
3) Catch wrestling has been proven ineffective in competitions such as the ADCC
4) IT'S REALLY RETARDED AND COMPLETELY DEGENERATE TO CLAIM SUCH JUVENILE ARGUMENTS SUCH AS " CATCH WRESTLING INVENTED SUBMISSIONS . "
Really , just how pathetic are you?
BTW , catch wrestlers are roided perpetual convicts , I kid you not. They'll lie and steal their way unrelentingly and justify it with deluded and degenerate arguments every single time.
Just the plain obvious truth , catch wrestling never really was able to incorporate itself into MMA , that's why they are now shapeshifting. The simple fact of the matter is , catch itself is too expansive and mongrel of a sport at a time when people want a much more definitive and identifiable form of an art ...
GCT -Antonik - Many people I have talked to thinks that the Brazilian's almost invented submissions, which is not true. I was at a seminar with a British catch wrestler about a year ago. The stuff he showed was incredible effective! When I roll with some Bjj guys at the gym, they simple have no answer to the techniques. What do you guys think? Who is the most usefull in MMA, Catch or BJJ?
I'll said it plenty of times in this forum and I'll say it again ,
1) There were and are very few catch wrestlers in the history of MMA - those that call themselves catch wrestlers
2) And amongst these catch wrestlers , there are very few of them that utilized catch wrestling moves from match to match to win inside of the cage. e.g. Randy Couture calls himself a catch wrestler and never really used catch wrestling in his matches inside of the cage. He really wanted during his match with Machida by training with Melancon but unfortunately got his teeth knocked out while endeavoring to corner Machida so that he could perform a submission.
3) Catch wrestling has been proven ineffective in competitions such as the ADCC
4) IT'S REALLY RETARDED AND COMPLETELY DEGENERATE TO CLAIM SUCH JUVENILE ARGUMENTS SUCH AS " CATCH WRESTLING INVENTED SUBMISSIONS . "
Really , just how pathetic are you?
BTW , catch wrestlers are roided perpetual convicts , I kid you not. They'll lie and steal their way unrelentingly and justify it with deluded and degenerate arguments every single time.
First of all I never said that CACC are the origins of submission. For some reason your putting those words on me when I never said anything like that!
"Quote:Many people I have talked to thinks that the Brazilian's almost invented submissions, which is not true."
This is the fact! I'm not taking anything away from BJJ when I say this!
GCT
"BTW , catch wrestlers are roided perpetual convicts , I kid you not. They'll lie and steal their way unrelentingly and justify it with deluded and degenerate arguments every single time."
Really?, and you ask how pathetic I am? That is probably the worst reply on this forum! You can't honestly say that all CACC guys are like that?
There are/was some good CACC guys in MMA.
Sakuraba
Josh Barnett
Ken & Frank Shamrock
This thread was not ment to be a troll thread! My question is simple, what do YOU think is most usefull in MMA?,Catch or BJJ?
There are few guys that you can call CACC guys. And I agree with you on this! But what if there was as much CACC guys as BJJ guys? What if you swicthed the amount of BJJ guys CACC? Let's say there was as many BJJ guys as there is CACC guys today. Would submissions still be that effective in MMA today?
Like I said previously. I have NOTHING against BJJ! I do love BJJ as a sport and an art! But I personally find it not that usefull without a gi! Of course there is a alot of things in BJJ that works without the gi, but the fact that you can't neck crank at all in BJJ is a little shame,I find neck cranks a very effective.
About the leg locks like Counterweight said. I totally agree with that they are dangerus and "White" belts should not try them! But I think you should learn them from blue belt. Leg locks are tricky and very effective when you know what your doing!
We have a Sambo guy at our gym,he trains mostly BJJ. When he rolles with the guys (With a gi) he can't use those basic techniques. So because of that he can't use all of his skills with the gi in BJJ. But when he rolles with the BJJ guys without a gi,he pretty much dominates all the guys because he can use those techniques from Sambo. Do you guys see my point?
But saying that CACC is not effective is as stupid as saying that Jiu-Jitsu doesn't work :-P
(Not that any of you guys has said that)
Why am I pathethic? Because i ask what you guys think is most usefull in mma between BJJ or catch? Or is it because you put those words on me that I said that CACC is the origins of submission? :-P
Popcorn tastes good.
Antonik , I didn't mean for my statements to be applied to ALL catch wrestlers , just guys like Barnett , Melancon , Paulson ... sadly these few guys are the most voiced and popular proponents of catch wrestling.
So you enjoy catch wrestling ... that's great. But when you start off fresh threads with statements that threaten to shake the fundamental history of definitive martial art forms such as BJJ , you're basically igniting controversy based on trivial matters of who invented what and where.
The topic of invention is a testy topic , it's pretty much taboo because most of us keep out of such matters due to good faith that all of us borrow from each other to some extent and that the most efficiently evolved and applicable of the two martial art form will eventually prevail.
Catch wrestlers , some of them , have been known to instigate controversy about martial art inventions , it's just pathetic and juvenile. They are not able to get themselves into the spotlight and so expand on and shapeshift on the actual definition of what constitutes catch wrestling in order to share in the spotlight in a delusional sense.
Sparking controversy is their way of getting themselves into the spotlight without actually being of a significant presence inside of the cage.
GCT - Antonik , I didn't mean for my statements to be applied to ALL catch wrestlers , just guys like Barnett , Melancon , Paulson ... sadly these few guys are the most voiced and popular proponents of catch wrestling.
So you enjoy catch wrestling ... that's great. But when you start off fresh threads with statements that threaten to shake the fundamental history of definitive martial art forms such as BJJ , you're basically igniting controversy based on trivial matters of who invented what and where.
The topic of invention is a testy topic , it's pretty much taboo because most of us keep out of such matters due to good faith that all of us borrow from each other to some extent and that the most efficiently evolved and applicable of the two martial art form will eventually prevail.
Catch wrestlers , some of them , have been known to instigate controversy about martial art inventions , it's just pathetic and juvenile. They are not able to get themselves into the spotlight and so expand on and shapeshift on the actual definition of what constitutes catch wrestling in order to share in the spotlight in a delusional sense.
Sparking controversy is their way of getting themselves into the spotlight without actually being of a significant presence inside of the cage.
I dont get your point at all.
My coach is Kris Iatskevich, a cacc'er. You can look at his video on youtube and he is well know and respected on lockflow too.
So, you are telling me, that i'm a bjj'er and cacc doesnt exist ??
What is your point?
Apologize and then insult, interesting. LOL
Anyway, just go to the Xcouture cacc coach thread. Everything have been said.
But CGT always ducked those questions :
1- Are you a bjj practicioner?
2- If yes, how long?
3- Have you ever done a cacc class with a respectable cacc coach??
GCT - Antonik , I didn't mean for my statements to be applied to ALL catch wrestlers , just guys like Barnett , Melancon , Paulson ... sadly these few guys are the most voiced and popular proponents of catch wrestling.
So you enjoy catch wrestling ... that's great. But when you start off fresh threads with statements that threaten to shake the fundamental history of definitive martial art forms such as BJJ , you're basically igniting controversy based on trivial matters of who invented what and where.
The topic of invention is a testy topic , it's pretty much taboo because most of us keep out of such matters due to good faith that all of us borrow from each other to some extent and that the most efficiently evolved and applicable of the two martial art form will eventually prevail.
Catch wrestlers , some of them , have been known to instigate controversy about martial art inventions , it's just pathetic and juvenile. They are not able to get themselves into the spotlight and so expand on and shapeshift on the actual definition of what constitutes catch wrestling in order to share in the spotlight in a delusional sense.
Sparking controversy is their way of getting themselves into the spotlight without actually being of a significant presence inside of the cage.
I'm just saying that I find the techniques very effective. I also said the reason why I think they are effective.
I have done Pro Wrestling for 7 years now, I never took CACC serious. It was first after I had done BJJ and SW I found the art of grappling. I was supposed to wrestle in Finland for 7-8 months ago, I also noticed that Chris Curtis was on the card. He was having a seminar the day before and the day after the wrestling show. I have always thought that CACC is a pro wrestler's "secret" weapon when people say that it's fake and things in that nature.
So I never took CACC any serious before that. So I decided to join the seminar and see what I could learn,if there was something to learn at all. Chris Curtis did a phenomenal job of showing different techniques and how to apply them the right way.
After the seminar I picked up a couple of things and techniques that he showed. When I got home I went back to the gym and tried some of the things when I rolled. And it worked perfectly, exactly how they was supposed to do. I never watch CACC,like I said that seminar is the only experience I have when it comes to CACC.
I think people need to calm down on the trolling stuff, just because you mention BJJ and another "style" of grappling does not mean that I want to create hate and make people pissed as hell! I have thought about this a long time, and I wanted to hear other people's opinion. So why not create a thread? This remind me of how pro wrestlers kind of "stick together" when some people say something bad about it. This kind of reminds me a lot of that! You should be able to mention BJJ without people going all crazy and saying stuff that makes no sense.
i'm new to this forum and I come in peace :-P this is my first thread.... And not my last hehe