Conor Looking For A Way Out?

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Something I've observed from people who self-destruct because of pressure is that they sabatoge their opportunities by creating conflict, but try to maintain a narrative that gives them an excuse or way out of the situation.

An example was when Nick Diaz kept avoiding meetings and press conferences and kept fighting with the UFC over social media to get himself suspended.  I think he was also aware he would be tested and would fail for weed, so he continued smoking knowing the consequences.  At the time all of this happened, he was looking for a way out because the pressure was too much.  Afterward, it was nothing but excuses and trying defer the blame onto the UFC by using the victim card.  The fact is, he just didn't want to be in there.  He needed a break.

The same thing happened with Rampage when he drove his truck like an asshole through L.A.  

Roger Huerta is another example.  That Sports Illustrated cover put way too much pressure on him, and he couldn't fight the same afterward, he began to panic and fight like shit.  He never recovered.

Ronda Rousey is another example.  There was a massive amount of hype, and although she came out strong, Holly ate her soul.  No way she is the same, after coming down from all that pressure.  She'll avoid Holly for years if she has to because she needs time to recover.

The same thing happened with Gina Carano.  Once she got lit by Cyborg, her desire to fight vanished.  There was too much pressure being hyped as the greatest female fighter in the world, so when she lost it she just moved on and will likely never fight again knowing she might get matched back up against Cyborg in the future, someone who she has no chance against.  The hype was not warranted, it was too soon.  Same thing with Rousey, Huerta, and Diaz.

The thing with pressure is it eats away at people because these fighters who become famous are just regular people who end up in a situation where expectation and success are everything, and so the fear becomes losing it all rather than simply losing a fight.

Personally, I think Conor realizes he's fucked against Nate if he shows up to fight Nate again.  He knows he doesn't have the tools, and he is at a size and power disadvantage, as well as a disadvantage in boxing exchanges and in grappling.  Conor's invincibility and confidence was shattered, and now the pressure is too much.  He absolutely needs to win the rematch to regain the invincibility and reputation, especially in Ireland, so he can get over the previous loss and justify the excuse that he just didn't train properly.

But I think Conor knows that is bullshit.  Nate didn't get in as much training as he could have, and no amount of training for Nate is enough for Conor to beat Nate at UFC 200.  Maybe he could down the road, in a couple years, but not this summer, fuck no.

All of this Tweet bullshit and fighting with the UFC about money is just a way out.  I think he is self-destructing and he is creating a narrative that gives him an excuse for being pushed out.  

A truly confident fighter would be behaving the way Nate Diaz is behaving.  He called out Conor, took a fight against Conor on short notice, fucked Conor up, agreed to a rematch, and has been staying clean and meeting all of his obligations leading up to the fight.  He is ready to train, promote, and show up and beat Conor again and get paid.  He's confident and professional about it, and he's not creating chaos by making excuses and demands.  

On the other hand, you have Conor.  He's a mess.  He wants no part of this, and needs a break from the pressure, so he is creating chaos.  He is using the victim card.  He is suddenly a victim of self-promotion and not being able to devote enough time to training.  Leading up to the fight with Nate, everything out of Conor's mouth was how well his training has gone, how prepared he is, how confident and relaxed he is.  Blah blah blah.  Now, suddenly he wasn't and was kept from training properly by his media obligations?  Can't have it both ways.

Right now it's Conor with all the excuses, with the self-defeating behavior, and it's him creating the conflict.  Nate is ready to fight and isn't fucking around.  Even Dana said that with Conor he doesn't know where all of this is coming from.

Mark my words, Conor is going to drag this shit out.  It's not about the money, the media obligations, the UFC's policies...it's about the pressure and him crashing.  He needs time to recover.

Also, Wiedman will never recover from that beating Rockhold put on him.  Same situation, it was too much for Wiedman.  Rockhold is too talented, confident, and good-looking for Wiedman to beat him.

This special should air right after Lookin' for a Fight.

If Conor hadn't chosen this fight then I would say you are right on.

Informative post with good analysis.

I think Conor went overboard trying to fulfill his prophecy of an early knockout and didn't use all the tools in his arsenal to work Nate's body and soften him up for the kill shot.

He panicked when it didn't pan out, got tagged a few times and went into survival mode under Nate's indomitable will and pressure.

Nate's a well-rounded bad ass. And Conor underestimated him...

Legit criticism. Conor would say that of himself. He looked for a way out, and the UFC helped him.

Kavanagh says that they have changed everything up for this rematch and have begun a 12 week camp.

Nate just tweeted that he is going on vacation....lol

By the time the fight finally rolls around, Nate will be fresh and Conor will be banged up and burned out. There is no guarantee they even fight at 200 so that screws up any plans for a camp Conor has. Phone Post 3.0

Conor fucked up in the first place when he agreed to fight Nate Diaz at 170. He was a budding superstar destroyed by his own ego and shoddy management.

Sultry Crockett - 


FRAT WARNING! This is an editorial.



Something I've observed from people who self-destruct because of pressure is that they sabatoge their opportunities by creating conflict, but try to maintain a narrative that gives them an excuse or way out of the situation.



An example was when Nick Diaz kept avoiding meetings and press conferences and kept fighting with the UFC over social media to get himself suspended.  I think he was also aware he would be tested and would fail for weed, so he continued smoking knowing the consequences.  At the time all of this happened, he was looking for a way out because the pressure was too much.  Afterward, it was nothing but excuses and trying defer the blame onto the UFC by using the victim card.  The fact is, he just didn't want to be in there.  He needed a break.



The same thing happened with Rampage when he drove his truck like an asshole through L.A.  



Roger Huerta is another example.  That Sports Illustrated cover put way too much pressure on him, and he couldn't fight the same afterward, he began to panic and fight like shit.  He never recovered.



Ronda Rousey is another example.  There was a massive amount of hype, and although she came out strong, Holly ate her soul.  No way she is the same, after coming down from all that pressure.  She'll avoid Holly for years if she has to because she needs time to recover.



The same thing happened with Gina Carano.  Once she got lit by Cyborg, her desire to fight vanished.  There was too much pressure being hyped as the greatest female fighter in the world, so when she lost it she just moved on and will likely never fight again knowing she might get matched back up against Cyborg in the future, someone who she has no chance against.  The hype was not warranted, it was too soon.  Same thing with Rousey, Huerta, and Diaz.



The thing with pressure is it eats away at people because these fighters who become famous are just regular people who end up in a situation where expectation and success are everything, and so the fear becomes losing it all rather than simply losing a fight.



Personally, I think Conor realizes he's fucked against Nate if he shows up to fight Nate again.  He knows he doesn't have the tools, and he is at a size and power disadvantage, as well as a disadvantage in boxing exchanges and in grappling.  Conor's invincibility and confidence was shattered, and now the pressure is too much.  He absolutely needs to win the rematch to regain the invincibility and reputation, especially in Ireland, so he can get over the previous loss and justify the excuse that he just didn't train properly.



But I think Conor knows that is bullshit.  Nate didn't get in as much training as he could have, and no amount of training for Nate is enough for Conor to beat Nate at UFC 200.  Maybe he could down the road, in a couple years, but not this summer, fuck no.



All of this Tweet bullshit and fighting with the UFC about money is just a way out.  I think he is self-destructing and he is creating a narrative that gives him an excuse for being pushed out.  



A truly confident fighter would be behaving the way Nate Diaz is behaving.  He called out Conor, took a fight against Conor on short notice, fucked Conor up, agreed to a rematch, and has been staying clean and meeting all of his obligations leading up to the fight.  He is ready to train, promote, and show up and beat Conor again and get paid.  He's confident and professional about it, and he's not creating chaos by making excuses and demands.  



On the other hand, you have Conor.  He's a mess.  He wants no part of this, and needs a break from the pressure, so he is creating chaos.  He is using the victim card.  He is suddenly a victim of self-promotion and not being able to devote enough time to training.  Leading up to the fight with Nate, everything out of Conor's mouth was how well his training has gone, how prepared he is, how confident and relaxed he is.  Blah blah blah.  Now, suddenly he wasn't and was kept from training properly by his media obligations?  Can't have it both ways.



Right now it's Conor with all the excuses, with the self-defeating behavior, and it's him creating the conflict.  Nate is ready to fight and isn't fucking around.  Even Dana said that with Conor he doesn't know where all of this is coming from.



Mark my words, Conor is going to drag this shit out.  It's not about the money, the media obligations, the UFC's policies...it's about the pressure and him crashing.  He needs time to recover.



Also, Wiedman will never recover from that beating Rockhold put on him.  Same situation, it was too much for Wiedman.  Rockhold is too talented, confident, and good-looking for Wiedman to beat him.


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Yeah maybe... only difference is Conor has to fly from Ireland/Iceland and Nate has to drive down from Stockton. That's about the only argument I can see supporting Conor's behaviour.

A vote up for OP for elegantly typing out what I have been thinking, but too lazy to write it out in such detail. I agree with you 100%.

I think Conor demanded the rematch when he was full of emotion fresh off the loss. The closer to the event he gets, the more and more he is realising that there is a good chance that he may not win. Maybe his isn't making the progress in training like he thought he would. Even Dana is saying that Conor is normally a reasonable guy, and that it's not like him to be freaking out like this. Phone Post 3.0

^ yep

you dont just 'make gains in training' to cover a grappling skill gap like the one between he and Nate. 

Nate is far, far ahead of Connor in terms of grappling skill.  You dont elevate your awareness with a few dozen training sessions.  It takes many, many hours on the mat studying, winning, and losing.  

blackmonkey - If I were to play amateur psychologist like you I'd say you made up this whole Conor analysis as a smoke screen to your pronouncement of gay love for Rockhold in your 'offhand' last paragraph there


Congrats on coming out of the closet though I guess Phone Post 3.0

There is usually at least one person in a thread who can only come up with the response:

"You are a faggot".

Sultry Crockett - 


FRAT WARNING! This is an editorial.



Something I've observed from people who self-destruct because of pressure is that they sabatoge their opportunities by creating conflict, but try to maintain a narrative that gives them an excuse or way out of the situation.



An example was when Nick Diaz kept avoiding meetings and press conferences and kept fighting with the UFC over social media to get himself suspended.  I think he was also aware he would be tested and would fail for weed, so he continued smoking knowing the consequences.  At the time all of this happened, he was looking for a way out because the pressure was too much.  Afterward, it was nothing but excuses and trying defer the blame onto the UFC by using the victim card.  The fact is, he just didn't want to be in there.  He needed a break.



The same thing happened with Rampage when he drove his truck like an asshole through L.A.  



Roger Huerta is another example.  That Sports Illustrated cover put way too much pressure on him, and he couldn't fight the same afterward, he began to panic and fight like shit.  He never recovered.



Ronda Rousey is another example.  There was a massive amount of hype, and although she came out strong, Holly ate her soul.  No way she is the same, after coming down from all that pressure.  She'll avoid Holly for years if she has to because she needs time to recover.



The same thing happened with Gina Carano.  Once she got lit by Cyborg, her desire to fight vanished.  There was too much pressure being hyped as the greatest female fighter in the world, so when she lost it she just moved on and will likely never fight again knowing she might get matched back up against Cyborg in the future, someone who she has no chance against.  The hype was not warranted, it was too soon.  Same thing with Rousey, Huerta, and Diaz.



The thing with pressure is it eats away at people because these fighters who become famous are just regular people who end up in a situation where expectation and success are everything, and so the fear becomes losing it all rather than simply losing a fight.



Personally, I think Conor realizes he's fucked against Nate if he shows up to fight Nate again.  He knows he doesn't have the tools, and he is at a size and power disadvantage, as well as a disadvantage in boxing exchanges and in grappling.  Conor's invincibility and confidence was shattered, and now the pressure is too much.  He absolutely needs to win the rematch to regain the invincibility and reputation, especially in Ireland, so he can get over the previous loss and justify the excuse that he just didn't train properly.



But I think Conor knows that is bullshit.  Nate didn't get in as much training as he could have, and no amount of training for Nate is enough for Conor to beat Nate at UFC 200.  Maybe he could down the road, in a couple years, but not this summer, fuck no.



All of this Tweet bullshit and fighting with the UFC about money is just a way out.  I think he is self-destructing and he is creating a narrative that gives him an excuse for being pushed out.  



A truly confident fighter would be behaving the way Nate Diaz is behaving.  He called out Conor, took a fight against Conor on short notice, fucked Conor up, agreed to a rematch, and has been staying clean and meeting all of his obligations leading up to the fight.  He is ready to train, promote, and show up and beat Conor again and get paid.  He's confident and professional about it, and he's not creating chaos by making excuses and demands.  



On the other hand, you have Conor.  He's a mess.  He wants no part of this, and needs a break from the pressure, so he is creating chaos.  He is using the victim card.  He is suddenly a victim of self-promotion and not being able to devote enough time to training.  Leading up to the fight with Nate, everything out of Conor's mouth was how well his training has gone, how prepared he is, how confident and relaxed he is.  Blah blah blah.  Now, suddenly he wasn't and was kept from training properly by his media obligations?  Can't have it both ways.



Right now it's Conor with all the excuses, with the self-defeating behavior, and it's him creating the conflict.  Nate is ready to fight and isn't fucking around.  Even Dana said that with Conor he doesn't know where all of this is coming from.



Mark my words, Conor is going to drag this shit out.  It's not about the money, the media obligations, the UFC's policies...it's about the pressure and him crashing.  He needs time to recover.



Also, Wiedman will never recover from that beating Rockhold put on him.  Same situation, it was too much for Wiedman.  Rockhold is too talented, confident, and good-looking for Wiedman to beat him.


You may be right. Nate is definitely in Conor's head 24/7.

Glad to see many of you agree with what I had to say.

Ironically enough, there's an article on the main news page about Honda Housey still being messed up over what happened to her.  I'm telling you man, it's the pressure.

Even Ali succumbed to it, as well as Mike Tyson.  It happens to anyone and everyone who undergoes a meteoric rise and too much success too fast.  Hell, it even happened to Axl Rose.  The fame drove him nuts.

Few people in human history with that kind of fame and attention and success who are in careers that are high stress, and require performance, are able to keep it together for long periods of time.  Athletes, artists, celebrities, they all have a hard time with fame and pressure.  

I knew McGregor couldn't sustain that level of performance with all the hype and pressure around him, and that he would eventually hit a wall he couldn't climb over.  That wall was Nate Diaz.  It's not even that Diaz got lucky or simply outlasted him.  What happened was Diaz was better when he turned it on and got into his groove.

In the end, it means McGregor was never as good as everyone thought, or even he thought.  He is certainly not better than Diaz.  Now he has to adjust to life back on earth and try to get back what he lost.  That will never happen.  Everyone will always hope to see his former glory, as will he, but no one will want to accept that his invincibility vanished when Diaz killed it.

McGregor is just another human being now.  Because he has to be realistic now, he knows a rematch with Diaz is a fool's errand.  Diaz is better everywhere.  So what do you do?  You become self-defeatist so the other guy and the world doesn't have to defeat you again.  You sabatoge everything so you have control and excuses.

I don't expect McGregor to get into the octagon with Diaz.  If he does, Diaz will finish him much sooner and probably knock him out, unless Conor runs the entire fight and fights scared.  Mentally and physically, Conor can't beat Diaz right now, and he knows it.

The big claims about how much he made the UFC are simply to prop his ego and image back up, to hide how crushed he is.  It's a smoke screen.  Until he plugs the holes in his game and regains his confidence, he will never recover.

The big question is what kind of man McGregor will be mentally down the road?  Once all the bullshit is off the table and the dust has settled and he's had an acceptable amount of time to train and get back into the fight game, can he do it at a better level?  Is McGregor going to find that confidence again, or fold under future pressure?

I think it'll take some time to find out, but between now and then, if McGregor continues with the self-sabatoge, irrational statements, huge claims about being able to beat Diaz in an immediate rematch, if he continues with the excuses, then he will never ever recover.  He's only going to keep propping up a false persona.  

To regain his glory he would need to go back down in weight, get some wins and confidence back, regain his title, improve his ground game and boxing, and then approach a rematch with Diaz after he's had proper time to level up.  He won't be able to get level with Diaz's skills until he trains with the right people, here in the U.S., but to do that he has to acknowledge where his deficiencies are.

When Diaz called out Conor's lack of training and experience in that presser before their fight, he was absolutely correct.  It requires a huge commitment and a lot of years to get to Diaz's level, and Conor isn't there.  As much as I hate Edgar's style, I think even his skills might be too much for Conor at this point.

I see Conor looking for a way out, and in the immediate future I just don't see him beating Edgar or Diaz.  I think he could beat Aldo again, but for now that's about it.  Nothing I'm seeing from Conor seems legit.  Everything from Diaz's side seems legit.  Diaz wants to beat him up again, and Conor doesn't want it.

 

Apparently, Blaf also said Conor will not be on the NY card. So Conor "found a way" out of that one as well. Kavanaugh thinks the "punishment" is excessive.

Sultry Crockett I couldn't agree with you more

Op is fucking spot on. Phone Post 3.0

NicolasRGC - Yeah maybe... only difference is Conor has to fly from Ireland/Iceland and Nate has to drive down from Stockton. That's about the only argument I can see supporting Conor's behaviour.

lol at drive down from stockton.. time it took conor to fly from bumfuck wherever.. he would have reached vegas hours before anyone from stockton could arrive there driving.

El Duderino -


If Conor hadn't chosen this fight then I would say you are right on.

This could be him regretting it now Phone Post 3.0

OP, this is just another opinion amongst the masses of opinions about this at the moment. Until it all plays out and we can see the bigger picture, there is as much evidence to counter your idea than actually supports it- for example Conor SIGNED to fight, he is trying to keep the fight going imo at all costs, despite being unwilling to disrupt whatever specific training he had going on at the time.

There's no way he's piling all this pressure on Dana with the retirement tweet and the "I'm back on UFC 200" tweet, all the while hoping that Zuffa doesn't actually just put the fight back on! It makes no sense.

I will VU for effort though, as you genuinely have put time and thought into it, and that's refreshing. Phone Post 3.0