1) After Penn beat Hughes, Penn told the UFC he planned on signing with another promotion that would pay him more. In response, the UFC’s Dana White called Penn and threatened that the UFC would ban Penn from fighting for the UFC forever if Penn worked with another promoter. White told Penn that Penn was “f*ing done! You’ll never fight in the UFC again! You’re finished. You’re scorched earth, motherfer. Scorched earth. Don’t call me crying saying you want to come back because your fing done!”
White also threatened to remove or blur Penn’s face from UFC videos and promotions and said he would remove his bout with Hughes from the UFC’s DVD library so that Penn “would be forgotten.”
2) Dana says you'd have to be out of your mind to think Fedor is one of the greatest fighters ever. Dana says he told Fedor: "‘You’re one punch away from being worth f**** zero.’”
Fedor said this about his experience with Dana: "I just felt like 'this guy (Dana), he just hates us.' Like, personally to [me]. There were insults coming from Dana White all the time."
3) After Hendo pulled out of UFC 151, the UFC wanted Jones to fight Sonnen with 8 days notice. With weight cutting and promotional events, it would have given Jones almost no time to prepare, while Sonnen had been training at Hendo's camp. When Jones wisely declined such a dumb fight, the UFC canceled the entire event.
Instead of admitting that the UFC was to blame for putting together a card that hinged on the presence of one person, Dana said this: “Lorenzo Fertitta and I [Dana] are disgusted with Jon Jones and Greg Jackson.” White continued by stating, “UFC 151 will be remembered as the event Jon Jones and Greg Jackson murdered.”
4) Dana signed CM Punk because they're friends and CM Punk wanted to do something cool. Interestingly, the UFC may now own CM Punk's likeness forever.
Dana is Dana? Am I right?
He's the 400lbs Gorilla, and throws his weight around accordingly. I doubt he means much of what he says about fighters, but does so to gain the negotiating advantage.
Double standards all around, no point in condemning him as the only thing that will make him change is $$$.
But Dana can also be an extremely, kind, generous and empathic individual. Like when he paid for that little girl's care after being summoned by the U.G.
When a camera or mic isn't in his face, he seems like a great guy. I know he's done some truly special things like taking care of the little girls life saving surgery, donating to charities, tipping well at casino's, etc. But I can't stand him as the President of the UFC. UFC President Dana is an egomaniac, loud mouth tyrant, that makes irrational decisions based on pride and ego...and those that seem to face the brunt of his wrath, are the fighters he once used to proclaim he was a fan of, and looking out for, when they first bought the company.
I doubt he made cm punk sign his likeness away in perpetuity. Brock obviously didn't because WWE is using his likeness in video games and other promotional outlets.
Dana makes exceptions for certain individuals he knows he can't push around.
I Wild Each It -When a camera or mic isn't in his face, he seems like a great guy. I know he's done some truly special things like taking care of the little girls life saving surgery, donating to charities, tipping well at casino's, etc. But I can't stand him as the President of the UFC. UFC President Dana is an egomaniac, loud mouth tyrant, that makes irrational decisions based on pride and ego.
yep this same, orignally impressed with his promotion but then when there were speedbumps and people didn't just immediately give ZUFFA the benefit of the doubt, he came out guns blazing about how stupid anyone was to have an issue, that point is always the point where you are inviting the decline to hasten.
I'd say it's his promoting tactics. It gets everyone fired up but now days with so much social media it's been biting him in the ass.
The part of business where you can go from 60-0 in seconds is damage control, and that is the area where Dana doesn't understand what to do and it usually comes from experience or training/education. He's great when things are rolling, but he should never have been the guy in charge of damage control, especially for damage he caused, all you do is keep piling on the problem and now their solution is to scrub his media accounts and hide him from sight.
All that does now, is look blatantly obvious that they are afraid of his mouth/brain causing more damage.
This is why going into business with friends has a time bomb attached to it.
victorpoprock - I doubt he made cm punk sign his likeness away in perpetuity. Brock obviously didn't because WWE is using his likeness in video games and other promotional outlets.
Dana makes exceptions for certain individuals he knows he can't push around.
yeah i think in a interview cm punk said his lawyer had little arguments with the contract they were signing but they fixed it so the likeness could have been that issue. i don't know much about the reebok deal but do all sponsors go away or only apparel sponsors? if brock re-signs he isn't losing Jimmy John's lol
xsrg95 -It's my understanding that reebok is the only sponsor fighters can have period. They can still have their previous sponsors, they just can't be seen in any of their gear during any ufc events, or promotions leading up to an event, or any post fight interviews discussing the event.victorpoprock - I doubt he made cm punk sign his likeness away in perpetuity. Brock obviously didn't because WWE is using his likeness in video games and other promotional outlets.
Dana makes exceptions for certain individuals he knows he can't push around.
yeah i think in a interview cm punk said his lawyer had little arguments with the contract they were signing but they fixed it so the likeness could have been that issue. i don't know much about the reebok deal but do all sponsors go away or only apparel sponsors? if brock re-signs he isn't losing Jimmy John's lol
People need to stop focusing so much on DFW.
Lorenzo is the real shady character, DFW is merely his whipping boy.
TMT - 1) After Penn beat Hughes, Penn told the UFC he planned on signing with another promotion that would pay him more. In response, the UFC’s Dana White called Penn and threatened that the UFC would ban Penn from fighting for the UFC forever if Penn worked with another promoter. White told Penn that Penn was “f*ing done! You’ll never fight in the UFC again! You’re finished. You’re scorched earth, motherfer. Scorched earth. Don’t call me crying saying you want to come back because your fing done!”They don't own any fighter's likeness forever. There is a time limit on that for all fighters.
White also threatened to remove or blur Penn’s face from UFC videos and promotions and said he would remove his bout with Hughes from the UFC’s DVD library so that Penn “would be forgotten.”
2) Dana says you'd have to be out of your mind to think Fedor is one of the greatest fighters ever. Dana says he told Fedor: "‘You’re one punch away from being worth f**** zero.’”
Fedor said this about his experience with Dana: "I just felt like 'this guy (Dana), he just hates us.' Like, personally to [me]. There were insults coming from Dana White all the time."
3) After Hendo pulled out of UFC 151, the UFC wanted Jones to fight Sonnen with 8 days notice. With weight cutting and promotional events, it would have given Jones almost no time to prepare, while Sonnen had been training at Hendo's camp. When Jones wisely declined such a dumb fight, the UFC canceled the entire event.
Instead of admitting that the UFC was to blame for putting together a card that hinged on the presence of one person, Dana said this: “Lorenzo Fertitta and I [Dana] are disgusted with Jon Jones and Greg Jackson.” White continued by stating, “UFC 151 will be remembered as the event Jon Jones and Greg Jackson murdered.”
4) Dana signed CM Punk because they're friends and CM Punk wanted to do something cool. Interestingly, the UFC may now own CM Punk's likeness forever.
nobones -Since when? I've never heard that. Everything I've read said that fighters were required to sign away their likeness for life. This was a big sticking point in many of the complaints.TMT - 1) After Penn beat Hughes, Penn told the UFC he planned on signing with another promotion that would pay him more. In response, the UFC’s Dana White called Penn and threatened that the UFC would ban Penn from fighting for the UFC forever if Penn worked with another promoter. White told Penn that Penn was “f*ing done! You’ll never fight in the UFC again! You’re finished. You’re scorched earth, motherfer. Scorched earth. Don’t call me crying saying you want to come back because your fing done!”They don't own any fighter's likeness forever. There is a time limit on that for all fighters.
White also threatened to remove or blur Penn’s face from UFC videos and promotions and said he would remove his bout with Hughes from the UFC’s DVD library so that Penn “would be forgotten.”
2) Dana says you'd have to be out of your mind to think Fedor is one of the greatest fighters ever. Dana says he told Fedor: "‘You’re one punch away from being worth f**** zero.’”
Fedor said this about his experience with Dana: "I just felt like 'this guy (Dana), he just hates us.' Like, personally to [me]. There were insults coming from Dana White all the time."
3) After Hendo pulled out of UFC 151, the UFC wanted Jones to fight Sonnen with 8 days notice. With weight cutting and promotional events, it would have given Jones almost no time to prepare, while Sonnen had been training at Hendo's camp. When Jones wisely declined such a dumb fight, the UFC canceled the entire event.
Instead of admitting that the UFC was to blame for putting together a card that hinged on the presence of one person, Dana said this: “Lorenzo Fertitta and I [Dana] are disgusted with Jon Jones and Greg Jackson.” White continued by stating, “UFC 151 will be remembered as the event Jon Jones and Greg Jackson murdered.”
4) Dana signed CM Punk because they're friends and CM Punk wanted to do something cool. Interestingly, the UFC may now own CM Punk's likeness forever.
victorpoprock -That's what I've understood as well.nobones -Since when? I've never heard that. Everything I've read said that fighters were required to sign away their likeness for life. This was a big sticking point in many of the complaints.TMT - 1) After Penn beat Hughes, Penn told the UFC he planned on signing with another promotion that would pay him more. In response, the UFC’s Dana White called Penn and threatened that the UFC would ban Penn from fighting for the UFC forever if Penn worked with another promoter. White told Penn that Penn was “f*ing done! You’ll never fight in the UFC again! You’re finished. You’re scorched earth, motherfer. Scorched earth. Don’t call me crying saying you want to come back because your fing done!”They don't own any fighter's likeness forever. There is a time limit on that for all fighters.
White also threatened to remove or blur Penn’s face from UFC videos and promotions and said he would remove his bout with Hughes from the UFC’s DVD library so that Penn “would be forgotten.”
2) Dana says you'd have to be out of your mind to think Fedor is one of the greatest fighters ever. Dana says he told Fedor: "‘You’re one punch away from being worth f**** zero.’”
Fedor said this about his experience with Dana: "I just felt like 'this guy (Dana), he just hates us.' Like, personally to [me]. There were insults coming from Dana White all the time."
3) After Hendo pulled out of UFC 151, the UFC wanted Jones to fight Sonnen with 8 days notice. With weight cutting and promotional events, it would have given Jones almost no time to prepare, while Sonnen had been training at Hendo's camp. When Jones wisely declined such a dumb fight, the UFC canceled the entire event.
Instead of admitting that the UFC was to blame for putting together a card that hinged on the presence of one person, Dana said this: “Lorenzo Fertitta and I [Dana] are disgusted with Jon Jones and Greg Jackson.” White continued by stating, “UFC 151 will be remembered as the event Jon Jones and Greg Jackson murdered.”
4) Dana signed CM Punk because they're friends and CM Punk wanted to do something cool. Interestingly, the UFC may now own CM Punk's likeness forever.
Cohen Milstein's complaint describes one of the clauses in standard UFC agreements as follows:
"The 'Ancillary Rights Clause,' which grants the UFC exclusive and perpetual worldwide personality and Identity rights not only of the UFC Fighter, but of 'all persons associated with' the athlete, in any medium, including merchandising, video games and broadcasts, and for all other commercial purposes, thus preventing MMA Fighters from financially benefiting from the reputations that they built during their MMA careers even after death, and locking UFC Fighters out of revenues generated by the exploitation of their Identities, including after the term of the contract.
Thus, although a single loss could allow the UFC to terminate a UFC Fighter’s contract, the Ancillary Rights Clause remains in effect in perpetuity. As a result, the UFC can restrict a UFC Fighter’s ability to promote himself or herself for profit even after the UFC Fighter’s career with the UFC has ended."
TMT - Cohen Milstein's complaint describes one of the clauses in standard UFC agreements as follows:
"The 'Ancillary Rights Clause,' which grants the UFC exclusive and perpetual worldwide personality and Identity rights not only of the UFC Fighter, but of 'all persons associated with' the athlete, in any medium, including merchandising, video games and broadcasts, and for all other commercial purposes, thus preventing MMA Fighters from financially benefiting from the reputations that they built during their MMA careers even after death, and locking UFC Fighters out of revenues generated by the exploitation of their Identities, including after the term of the contract.
Thus, although a single loss could allow the UFC to terminate a UFC Fighter’s contract, the Ancillary Rights Clause remains in effect in perpetuity. As a result, the UFC can restrict a UFC Fighter’s ability to promote himself or herself for profit even after the UFC Fighter’s career with the UFC has ended."
even after death,
He's not his own mother's kind of guy either.
I'd take a bullet for Dana.
victorpoprock -Originally it was in perpetuity to secure the first THQ deal. But now it has been amended to 3 years or so after the fighter's contract ends. Actually if you really follow up you would know that when Jon Fitch finally talked with Lorenzo he told him that he could get his likeness rights back whenever he wanted they just needed the initial releases to secure the deal with THQ. The real problem was that instead of finding a way to explain things to the fighters Dana just flew off the handle. But they were never meant to be kept in perpetuity. They really don't care to keep Jon Fitch's likeness in perpetuity. Just his fights.nobones -Since when? I've never heard that. Everything I've read said that fighters were required to sign away their likeness for life. This was a big sticking point in many of the complaints.TMT - 1) After Penn beat Hughes, Penn told the UFC he planned on signing with another promotion that would pay him more. In response, the UFC’s Dana White called Penn and threatened that the UFC would ban Penn from fighting for the UFC forever if Penn worked with another promoter. White told Penn that Penn was “f*ing done! You’ll never fight in the UFC again! You’re finished. You’re scorched earth, motherfer. Scorched earth. Don’t call me crying saying you want to come back because your fing done!”They don't own any fighter's likeness forever. There is a time limit on that for all fighters.
White also threatened to remove or blur Penn’s face from UFC videos and promotions and said he would remove his bout with Hughes from the UFC’s DVD library so that Penn “would be forgotten.”
2) Dana says you'd have to be out of your mind to think Fedor is one of the greatest fighters ever. Dana says he told Fedor: "‘You’re one punch away from being worth f**** zero.’”
Fedor said this about his experience with Dana: "I just felt like 'this guy (Dana), he just hates us.' Like, personally to [me]. There were insults coming from Dana White all the time."
3) After Hendo pulled out of UFC 151, the UFC wanted Jones to fight Sonnen with 8 days notice. With weight cutting and promotional events, it would have given Jones almost no time to prepare, while Sonnen had been training at Hendo's camp. When Jones wisely declined such a dumb fight, the UFC canceled the entire event.
Instead of admitting that the UFC was to blame for putting together a card that hinged on the presence of one person, Dana said this: “Lorenzo Fertitta and I [Dana] are disgusted with Jon Jones and Greg Jackson.” White continued by stating, “UFC 151 will be remembered as the event Jon Jones and Greg Jackson murdered.”
4) Dana signed CM Punk because they're friends and CM Punk wanted to do something cool. Interestingly, the UFC may now own CM Punk's likeness forever.
wormiwalkinstik -victorpoprock - I doubt he made cm punk sign his likeness away in perpetuity. Brock obviously didn't because WWE is using his likeness in video games and other promotional outlets.Guys, Dana is human and has all the attributes of such.... Dana helped put mma on tv for any fan to see. I think the business aspect that hurts the fighters is well above him. He has fucked up in so many ways, but he had a passion for the sport and helped a lot. Not a shill or a fan, but you really cant lay all the blame on him....he is a man and a imperfect man...
Dana makes exceptions for certain individuals he knows he can't push around.
I definitely agree with this. I think the bigger problems in the UFC stem from the culture of the organization, which is not necessarily Dana's fault. I still think he is immature and lacks respect for his fighters but good post.