Pain Headquarters -Angle would’ve been a beast in MMA with his wrestling base, and solid overall MMA training when he was in his prime. Obviously juiced to the gills, but back then.....you know. Would’ve been big in Pride.
Would have been another Smashing Machine…with a similar end.
stevekt -Liyon - Isn't Hardcore Holly infamous for taking it out on newbies/trainees beyond the point of simply hazing? Puder should have kimura-ed him instead.Holly is known for sandbagging Brock. Brock dropped him on his head and broke his neck.
What does sandbagging mean in this context?
GladiatorGannon -stevekt -Liyon - Isn't Hardcore Holly infamous for taking it out on newbies/trainees beyond the point of simply hazing? Puder should have kimura-ed him instead.Holly is known for sandbagging Brock. Brock dropped him on his head and broke his neck.
What does sandbagging mean in this context?
He didn’t work with Brock in helping him with the move. He didn’t roll with the punches or go with the flow. Brock was going for a powerbomb and Holly’s dumbass put all his dead weight on Brock and made him really work for the sequence instead of helping him out in the stunt. Brock was having no part of that shit and just dropped Holly on his head. A big and well deserved Fuck You.
GladiatorGannon -stevekt -Liyon - Isn't Hardcore Holly infamous for taking it out on newbies/trainees beyond the point of simply hazing? Puder should have kimura-ed him instead.Holly is known for sandbagging Brock. Brock dropped him on his head and broke his neck.
What does sandbagging mean in this context?
Whenever a wrestler is thrown or lifted he helps out by boosting up or pushing off to assist. In that video Holly became dead weight or “a sandbag” so Brock had to power him up. It made Brock look weak. Holly should have helped by boosting up so Brock could lift him high up and make it look impressive to the audience. Brock started the lift, Holly sandbagged, so Brock dropped him.
It’s kind of like when a spoiled kid has a fit at the mall and a parent tries to pick him up but he goes completely limp and is extremely difficult to lift.
Puder locked in a Kimura, but he pinned himself, so Kurt won. It wasn’t a BJJ tourney or Abu Dhabi.
Size - Puder locked in a Kimura, but he pinned himself, so Kurt won. It wasn't a BJJ tourney or Abu Dhabi.
I`m still not convinced that this wasn`t a work.
Daniel Puder's mma career he went 8-0.
All due respect for Angle and his wrestling abilities, but from my fresh learning experience of this situation, I have to give credit to Puder. Kurt sounds so bitter about this incident. What a stupid ruleset. Grappling/wrestling match but if you go to your back you lose. Why even put submissions in? For a stand up guillotine?
In a jiu jitsu match, Puder more than likely would have owned him. Same goes for Kurt in a wrestling only match. Based on how bitter Kurt sounds here, I think Puder must've got the best of him.
https://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Daniel-Puder-8323
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suvS6slFL7A
3 min mark he talks about the Angle incident
Angle tries to spin it as if Puder lost by putting his own mat on the back.
The referee spins it as if Angle was the superstar who was about to have his arm broke and he didn't know what to do so off the head he just did a 1-2-3 count to protect Angle. Said in hindsight, he could have just did a 1 count.
Puder's spin is that the match was no striking, that's it. He says the referee went up to him 8 months after the incident to say that he acknowledged he screwed Puder. Puder's "angle" is that the moral of the incident is that even in a real match, you can still get screwed.
Two people's version of the story coincide with each other. Puder gets shotgun over Angle if they ever have to share an Uber.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN35atn1Py0