Don't remember seeing this re; Pat Cummins, CRAZY

http://www.mmamadman.com/2011/02/warrants-issued-for-strikeforces.html


They shit can a guy who did 4 months time and is now friends with his ex-wife but sign someone who does a year after 7 burglaries. UFC is a bunch of Hypocrites.

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Bradley discussed that on Fight Master.  He and Cummins were doing a frat prank and the authorities got involved.

Not quite the same as an mma fighter beating his woman's face with his fists

No matter who committed the worst felony offense, the UG will find some way to blame the UFC and make them the bad guys.

JoeHurley - 

No matter who committed the worst felony offense, the UG will find some way to blame the UFC and make them the bad guys.


They often are the bad guys. They're fight promoters, like any others.

Old news Phone Post 3.0

JoeHurley -

No matter who committed the worst felony offense, the UG will find some way to blame the UFC and make them the bad guys.


You are the exact opposite. The ufc can do no wrong according to you. Phone Post 3.0

What did they steal? If it was a frat prank I doubt it was financially motivated.

PhacePhucked - 
JoeHurley -

No matter who committed the worst felony offense, the UG will find some way to blame the UFC and make them the bad guys.

You are the exact opposite. The ufc can do no wrong according to you. Phone Post 3.0


The difference is there are plenty of examples proving my point like the op's post, but you have no examples of your claim.

You don't seem to agree with the first post at all, just claim no matter what the UFC will be victimized. What is your point?

The other guys point is that you're always pro UFC, pretty obvious to anyone who pays attention. Are you disputing that? Phone Post 3.0

That was supposed to quote joe, not sure what happened Phone Post 3.0

Yikes Phone Post 3.0

Jimmy Wrassler - You don't seem to agree with the first post at all, just claim no matter what the UFC will be victimized. What is your point?

The other guys point is that you're always pro UFC, pretty obvious to anyone who pays attention. Are you disputing that? Phone Post 3.0


As for the first post I believe that things are handled on a case by case basis and don't think just because a guy got cut for beating his wife that it means anyone else with a criminal history should be cut. Not sure how the UFC are bad guys for not treating a burglary the same as spusal abuse.


As for being pro-UFC, yes I am.  Unlike some people I remember how it was to be a mma fighter in the 90's where opportunities and money where scarce.  Zuffa has done some tremendous things to help the sport and make it so many fighters can earn a living and have the opportunity to become stars.  I remember when Randy Couture and other fighters had to have jobs as wrestling coaches to survive, but now we have fighters making 7 figure paydays which was unheard of.  People used to think Rickson wanting 1 million to fight was an astronomical sum.  When GSP made 5 million in his last fight it really shows you how much things have changed.  That is on Zuffa.


I don't participate in the Zuffa bashing for fighter pay because they pay more than EVERYONE ELSE, but still get slammed while all those other organizations are given a free pass for paying fighters much much less.  Bellator pays a fighter 2k/2k?  No problem.  KOTC pays their champ 1k/1k for his last title defense?  Not a peep from anyone on this forum.  Zuffa pays a fighter 80k/80k and has him say it's barely enough and people are up in arms.  A guy on the dark matches gets 6k/6k for his first ufc fight?  Greedy billionaires!


I'm not just a fan, i'm a guy who has been through it and knows how hard it is so i can appreciate the opportunities that have been opened up and made available for Zuffa.  So when you ask me if i'm pro-ufc I have no propblem saying I am.  That doesn't mean I think they can do no wong.  I'm just not willing to ignore all the good they do just because some random fighter isn't happy with his contract or attack them because they don't just give away all their money for no good reason.

JoeHurley -
Jimmy Wrassler - You don't seem to agree with the first post at all, just claim no matter what the UFC will be victimized. What is your point?

The other guys point is that you're always pro UFC, pretty obvious to anyone who pays attention. Are you disputing that? Phone Post 3.0


As for the first post I believe that things are handled on a case by case basis and don't think just because a guy got cut for beating his wife that it means anyone else with a criminal history should be cut. Not sure how the UFC are bad guys for not treating a burglary the same as spusal abuse.


As for being pro-UFC, yes I am.  Unlike some people I remember how it was to be a mma fighter in the 90's where opportunities and money where scarce.  Zuffa has done some tremendous things to help the sport and make it so many fighters can earn a living and have the opportunity to become stars.  I remember when Randy Couture and other fighters had to have jobs as wrestling coaches to survive, but now we have fighters making 7 figure paydays which was unheard of.  People used to think Rickson wanting 1 million to fight was an astronomical sum.  When GSP made 5 million in his last fight it really shows you how much things have changed.  That is on Zuffa.


I don't participate in the Zuffa bashing for fighter pay because they pay more than EVERYONE ELSE, but still get slammed while all those other organizations are given a free pass for paying fighters much much less.  Bellator pays a fighter 2k/2k?  No problem.  KOTC pays their champ 1k/1k for his last title defense?  Not a peep from anyone on this forum.  Zuffa pays a fighter 80k/80k and has him say it's barely enough and people are up in arms.  A guy on the dark matches gets 6k/6k for his first ufc fight?  Greedy billionaires!


I'm not just a fan, i'm a guy who has been through it and knows how hard it is so i can appreciate the opportunities that have been opened up and made available for Zuffa.  So when you ask me if i'm pro-ufc I have no propblem saying I am.  That doesn't mean I think they can do no wong.  I'm just not willing to ignore all the good they do just because some random fighter isn't happy with his contract or attack them because they don't just give away all their money for no good reason.


NFL pays practice squad players better than anyone you mentioned.

UFC isn't spelled UNICEF.

They position themselves as being on par with NFL and yet I can't name one NFL player who makes low end UFC money.

YOU may be Oliver Twist and recalling when there wasn't enough gruel to go around but I don't think saying, "Please Sir, may I have some more" is somehow inherently bad.

Comparing KOTC?

Let me know when people make vacation plans to take in a KOTC event and line up for 4 hours to meet a KOTC fighter and I'll grant you that argument. Phone Post 3.0

Because if you are signing autographs for hours, you should be capable of signing your name on more than a lease for an apartment at the end of the day.

Hell, Pat Cummins was a co main event and was promoted heavily on television as a reason to order the PPV and yet he wasn't even paid like a practice squad NFL player you will never see at a game on Sunday.

Yes, the UFC and MMA in general used to pay so little that Kimbo earned more from Icy Mike in a boatyard but with a FOX deal, merch on shelves of Wal Mart and such it shouldn't be so bad to see fighters paid on a commensurate level.

Also, it does not look good when you have some guys blackballed from the UFC over a crime that even his ex wife says was blown out of proportion while Lloyd Irvin is allowed to corner guys and get tv time with his background.

I'd say Lloyd Irvin being at UFC events is worse than Will Chope.

I'm in no way defending his actions but does anyone here know his case enough to prove just what he did and that he indeed "beat up his wife"?

His ex says it was exaggerated. Phone Post 3.0

JeffersonDArcyChoke - 
JoeHurley -
Jimmy Wrassler - You don't seem to agree with the first post at all, just claim no matter what the UFC will be victimized. What is your point?

The other guys point is that you're always pro UFC, pretty obvious to anyone who pays attention. Are you disputing that? Phone Post 3.0


As for the first post I believe that things are handled on a case by case basis and don't think just because a guy got cut for beating his wife that it means anyone else with a criminal history should be cut. Not sure how the UFC are bad guys for not treating a burglary the same as spusal abuse.


As for being pro-UFC, yes I am.  Unlike some people I remember how it was to be a mma fighter in the 90's where opportunities and money where scarce.  Zuffa has done some tremendous things to help the sport and make it so many fighters can earn a living and have the opportunity to become stars.  I remember when Randy Couture and other fighters had to have jobs as wrestling coaches to survive, but now we have fighters making 7 figure paydays which was unheard of.  People used to think Rickson wanting 1 million to fight was an astronomical sum.  When GSP made 5 million in his last fight it really shows you how much things have changed.  That is on Zuffa.


I don't participate in the Zuffa bashing for fighter pay because they pay more than EVERYONE ELSE, but still get slammed while all those other organizations are given a free pass for paying fighters much much less.  Bellator pays a fighter 2k/2k?  No problem.  KOTC pays their champ 1k/1k for his last title defense?  Not a peep from anyone on this forum.  Zuffa pays a fighter 80k/80k and has him say it's barely enough and people are up in arms.  A guy on the dark matches gets 6k/6k for his first ufc fight?  Greedy billionaires!


I'm not just a fan, i'm a guy who has been through it and knows how hard it is so i can appreciate the opportunities that have been opened up and made available for Zuffa.  So when you ask me if i'm pro-ufc I have no propblem saying I am.  That doesn't mean I think they can do no wong.  I'm just not willing to ignore all the good they do just because some random fighter isn't happy with his contract or attack them because they don't just give away all their money for no good reason.


NFL pays practice squad players better than anyone you mentioned.

UFC isn't spelled UNICEF.

They position themselves as being on par with NFL and yet I can't name one NFL player who makes low end UFC money.

YOU may be Oliver Twist and recalling when there wasn't enough gruel to go around but I don't think saying, "Please Sir, may I have some more" is somehow inherently bad.

Comparing KOTC?

Let me know when people make vacation plans to take in a KOTC event and line up for 4 hours to meet a KOTC fighter and I'll grant you that argument. Phone Post 3.0



JeffersonDArcyChoke - Because if you are signing autographs for hours, you should be capable of signing your name on more than a lease for an apartment at the end of the day.

Hell, Pat Cummins was a co main event and was promoted heavily on television as a reason to order the PPV and yet he wasn't even paid like a practice squad NFL player you will never see at a game on Sunday.

Yes, the UFC and MMA in general used to pay so little that Kimbo earned more from Icy Mike in a boatyard but with a FOX deal, merch on shelves of Wal Mart and such it shouldn't be so bad to see fighters paid on a commensurate level.

Also, it does not look good when you have some guys blackballed from the UFC over a crime that even his ex wife says was blown out of proportion while Lloyd Irvin is allowed to corner guys and get tv time with his background.

I'd say Lloyd Irvin being at UFC events is worse than Will Chope.

I'm in no way defending his actions but does anyone here know his case enough to prove just what he did and that he indeed "beat up his wife"?

His ex says it was exaggerated. Phone Post 3.0


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


I think you pretty much summed it up.  Comparing a multi billion dollar current UFC to the SEG dark ages or KOTC is ludicrous.  Yes the UFC pays more then anyone else, just like MLB pays more than AAA teams..... whats your point?  What percentage of the profit would you say the UFC shares with its fighters?  10%?  20% ? Its crazy that guys like Canelo Alvarez can sign with Golden Boy for a 80/20 split when the UFC is doing the opposite.  They went from being in debt to worth 3.5 billion in what, less than a decade?  How do you think they did that?  It wasnt by paying the fighters their fair share. 


 


Can you think of anything the UFC is doing wrong?

I care as much about what a fighter makes as he cares about what I make. But, I've heard from more than one main card guy that fighters (at least the ones you've heard of) make a lot more than fans think they do. One guy said he made double what was reported and another guys said "if they paid me what MMA websites think I make, I'd be on foodstamps and watching TV with an antena, not out in a club." McCorkle also said something like the UFC paid 30% than reported and it wasn't bonus money.