Fedor vs Lesnar in 2009: Who would have won?

Tim Duncan -

Just imagine if Lesnar had started training UFC right after highschool.

Or even after college, after winning the NCAA championship in 2000. Avoiding all that wear and tear and injuries in the WWE.


If he went straight to the UFC he would have dominate for a long period of time.


Prime Lesnar would have destroyed any version of Fedor IMO. Fedor was always open to getting taken down by a wrestler, he was never the best guy in takedown defense.


Then Fedor would have had to sweep, sub, or get up from under lesnar and seperate, and I just don't see any of those things happening, seeing how he struggled against Mark Hunt, Rogers, and got easily taken down by randleman, coleman and middleweights lindland/hendo (counting that one cause Fedor grapped the ropes/cage).

In 2009 it would have been between the Mir and Carwin fight for Brock which were his two best wins and around the same time Brett Rogers went up against Fedor and if you watched that fight you know Brock would win and it wouldn't be close. For god sakes Fedor couldn't beat Big Foot Silva or stop is takedown, WTF do you think Brock would do to him. Some of you guys are delusional.

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I honestly could see Fedor tagging him with a quick left hook or overhand, Lesnar covers up and turns away, then Fedor just flurries hooks and uppercuts until the ref stops it.

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The Immortal One -
JOB -
On a SideNote -

I'm assuming Fedor.  Lesnar wasn't on Kevin Randleman's level overall and Fedor (although slammed on his head) handled him.

Lesnar outweighed Randleman by like 50lbs. Apples and oranges. And Lesnar was every bit on Randleman's level. He beat Herring, Couture, Mir and Carwin. 

Good point. As a wrestler, Lesnar was on randlemans level.


As an MMA fighter, Lesnar was much better on every other level. Better grappler, better sub defense, better striker and of course a bigger HW.

Lesnar was a better striker than Randleman? Fuck off with that shit. Randleman ko's a prime Cro Cop. Like peak destruction Cro Cop. Lesnar never even learned how to throw a punch.

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great post JOB, but I see it the other way, 2009 fedor was still a magician imo... just about

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It's close. Shane Carwin bombed Lesnar with some of the slowest punches ever thrown and Brock stopped, dropped, and rolled. Fedor throws much faster chaotic punches. Fights start on the feet. Frank Mir was able to land clean on him, and he's no Cro Cop.

Fedor in 2009 was at least 2 years past his prime and looked awful from the Arlovski fight forward.

The question is: Is Brock's striking defense worse than Fedor's takedown defense? Answer that question and you'll find the winner.

Bobby Lupo - It's close. Shane Carwin bombed Lesnar with some of the slowest punches ever thrown and Brock stopped, dropped, and rolled. Fedor throws much faster chaotic punches. Fights start on the feet. Frank Mir was able to land clean on him, and he's no Cro Cop.

Fedor in 2009 was at least 2 years past his prime and looked awful from the Arlovski fight forward.

The question is: Is Brock's striking defense worse than Fedor's takedown defense? Answer that question and you'll find the winner.

I actually wonder whether the Fedor who fought Sylvia is the worst of all the match ups for Brock for this reason.

Aggressive, fast and powerful hands. Brock didn't react well to this type of attack. It might be over before it starts.

No USADA? Brock wins.

ABCTT_HeHitsMeBecauseHeLovesMe -
The Immortal One -
JOB -
On a SideNote -

I'm assuming Fedor.  Lesnar wasn't on Kevin Randleman's level overall and Fedor (although slammed on his head) handled him.

Lesnar outweighed Randleman by like 50lbs. Apples and oranges. And Lesnar was every bit on Randleman's level. He beat Herring, Couture, Mir and Carwin. 


Good point. As a wrestler, Lesnar was on randlemans level.


As an MMA fighter, Lesnar was much better on every other level. Better grappler, better sub defense, better striker and of course a bigger HW.



Lesnar was a better striker than Randleman? Fuck off with that shit. Randleman ko's a prime Cro Cop. Like peak destruction Cro Cop. Lesnar never even learned how to throw a punch.



Fuck you, I said it.


 


Lesnar never knew how to throw a punch? He dropped Herring, Mir, and Couture all in his FIRST FOUR fights. He used knees, elbows, and rocked couture on the feet several times before KOing him. He won the world championship in his freaking 4th pro fight via knockout on the feet.


 


Lesnar stood with Hunt and pretty much outstruck him for a whole round with leg kicks, Hunt never did anything to him.


 


Randleman is a better striker because he faked a takedown and caught cro cop? Cro Cop had 9 wins in MMA when he fought randleman, and randleman faked a takedown to land the perfect punch, but it was more of a result of Cro Cop still learning to adapt to MMA from kickboxing, and as a result not expecting a faked takedown, that he got caught.


 


It was a great move, but one knockdown does not make Randleman a better striker than Lesnar.


 


Lesnar had 9 fights in total, Randleman had 33. And look what lesnar proved in his 9 fights.

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ABCTT_HeHitsMeBecauseHeLovesMe -

I honestly could see Fedor tagging him with a quick left hook or overhand, Lesnar covers up and turns away, then Fedor just flurries hooks and uppercuts until the ref stops it.

Right because Fedor is Shane Carwin?


How is Fedor going to defend the takedown? LMAO. Terrible analysis.

If it ain't Dutch, it ain't much -

In 2009 it would have been between the Mir and Carwin fight for Brock which were his two best wins and around the same time Brett Rogers went up against Fedor and if you watched that fight you know Brock would win and it wouldn't be close. For god sakes Fedor couldn't beat Big Foot Silva or stop is takedown, WTF do you think Brock would do to him. Some of you guys are delusional.

Yup, it's insane the level of delusion these fedor fanatics have.


 

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Bobby Lupo - It's close. Shane Carwin bombed Lesnar with some of the slowest punches ever thrown and Brock stopped, dropped, and rolled. Fedor throws much faster chaotic punches. Fights start on the feet. Frank Mir was able to land clean on him, and he's no Cro Cop.

Fedor in 2009 was at least 2 years past his prime and looked awful from the Arlovski fight forward.

The question is: Is Brock's striking defense worse than Fedor's takedown defense? Answer that question and you'll find the winner.

Fedor isn't hitting lesnar with anything until he defends the takedown first.

And he's not defending the takedown. He basically got taken down by middleweights Lindland and Hendo, because he grabbed the ropes/cage to defend their takedowns. Lesnar would ragdoll him to the ground early and quickly.

Fedor has a puncher's chance and that's about it to be honest. He has to survive lesnar's onslaught on the ground in order to get back up to hit him, and I just don't see that happening. He struggled with Rogers in grappling for christ sake.

There are several times when he took Rogers down and Rogers simply got up and pushed him up against the cage like it was nothing. Fedor is lucky that wasn't lesnar.

wiggum -
Bobby Lupo - It's close. Shane Carwin bombed Lesnar with some of the slowest punches ever thrown and Brock stopped, dropped, and rolled. Fedor throws much faster chaotic punches. Fights start on the feet. Frank Mir was able to land clean on him, and he's no Cro Cop.

Fedor in 2009 was at least 2 years past his prime and looked awful from the Arlovski fight forward.

The question is: Is Brock's striking defense worse than Fedor's takedown defense? Answer that question and you'll find the winner.


I actually wonder whether the Fedor who fought Sylvia is the worst of all the match ups for Brock for this reason.

Aggressive, fast and powerful hands. Brock didn't react well to this type of attack. It might be over before it starts.


I'm glad you brought this up. Sylvia stood right in front of Fedor. He never attempted to take Fedor down, and of course Sylvia does not have lesnar's athleticism or wrestling by a long shot anyway. Lesnar isn't going to stand in front of Fedor and look to strike. He's gonna take Fedor down quickly.


Cain, Overeem, and Carwin hurt lesnar only because they were able to defend the takedowns first.


Fedor is not defending the takedown from Lesnar. Look how he struggled with Rogers' size and got taken down easily by Bigfoot, who does not have the wrestling of Lesnar, not even close.


Middleweights Lindland and Hendo were about to take fedor down before Fedor grabbed the ropes/cage.


Arona was ragdolling Fedor before he gassed, and Lesnar is much bigger than Arona and the much better wrestler.

wiggum -
Bobby Lupo - It's close. Shane Carwin bombed Lesnar with some of the slowest punches ever thrown and Brock stopped, dropped, and rolled. Fedor throws much faster chaotic punches. Fights start on the feet. Frank Mir was able to land clean on him, and he's no Cro Cop.

Fedor in 2009 was at least 2 years past his prime and looked awful from the Arlovski fight forward.

The question is: Is Brock's striking defense worse than Fedor's takedown defense? Answer that question and you'll find the winner.

I actually wonder whether the Fedor who fought Sylvia is the worst of all the match ups for Brock for this reason.

Aggressive, fast and powerful hands. Brock didn't react well to this type of attack. It might be over before it starts.

Brock doesn't like to get hit but he has a chin and those looping bombs Fedor throws leaves him open for takedowns.  Lesnar would also have a huge reach advantage.  One of those straight rights that dropped Herring could do the same to Fedor.

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The Immortal One -
ABCTT_HeHitsMeBecauseHeLovesMe -
The Immortal One -
JOB -
On a SideNote -

I'm assuming Fedor.  Lesnar wasn't on Kevin Randleman's level overall and Fedor (although slammed on his head) handled him.

Lesnar outweighed Randleman by like 50lbs. Apples and oranges. And Lesnar was every bit on Randleman's level. He beat Herring, Couture, Mir and Carwin. 


Good point. As a wrestler, Lesnar was on randlemans level.


As an MMA fighter, Lesnar was much better on every other level. Better grappler, better sub defense, better striker and of course a bigger HW.



Lesnar was a better striker than Randleman? Fuck off with that shit. Randleman ko's a prime Cro Cop. Like peak destruction Cro Cop. Lesnar never even learned how to throw a punch.



Fuck you, I said it.


 


Lesnar never knew how to throw a punch? He dropped Herring, Mir, and Couture all in his FIRST FOUR fights. He used knees, elbows, and rocked couture on the feet several times before KOing him. He won the world championship in his freaking 4th pro fight via knockout on the feet.


 


Lesnar stood with Hunt and pretty much outstruck him for a whole round with leg kicks, Hunt never did anything to him.


 


Randleman is a better striker because he faked a takedown and caught cro cop? Cro Cop had 9 wins in MMA when he fought randleman, and randleman faked a takedown to land the perfect punch, but it was more of a result of Cro Cop still learning to adapt to MMA from kickboxing, and as a result not expecting a faked takedown, that he got caught.


 


It was a great move, but one knockdown does not make Randleman a better striker than Lesnar.


 


Lesnar had 9 fights in total, Randleman had 33. And look what lesnar proved in his 9 fights.



He dropped them with some oftheworstt, stiffest punches ever. He's a much striker than Randleman, that's just a fact. Prime Cro Cop > anybody Brock hit with a punch

leifdawg -
wiggum -
Bobby Lupo - It's close. Shane Carwin bombed Lesnar with some of the slowest punches ever thrown and Brock stopped, dropped, and rolled. Fedor throws much faster chaotic punches. Fights start on the feet. Frank Mir was able to land clean on him, and he's no Cro Cop.

Fedor in 2009 was at least 2 years past his prime and looked awful from the Arlovski fight forward.

The question is: Is Brock's striking defense worse than Fedor's takedown defense? Answer that question and you'll find the winner.

I actually wonder whether the Fedor who fought Sylvia is the worst of all the match ups for Brock for this reason.

Aggressive, fast and powerful hands. Brock didn't react well to this type of attack. It might be over before it starts.

Brock doesn't like to get hit but he has a chin and those looping bombs Fedor throws leaves him open for takedowns.  Lesnar would also have a huge reach advantage.  One of those straight rights that dropped Herring could do the same to Fedor.

Exactly. Lesnar can easily fake a takedown and stun Fedor with a right straight, and then duck down again for the takedown.


Lesnar has a fucking chin. He took a million bombs from carwin, who I think hits harder than anyone in the entire sport in his prime.

ABCTT_HeHitsMeBecauseHeLovesMe -
The Immortal One -
ABCTT_HeHitsMeBecauseHeLovesMe -
The Immortal One -
JOB -
On a SideNote -

I'm assuming Fedor.  Lesnar wasn't on Kevin Randleman's level overall and Fedor (although slammed on his head) handled him.

Lesnar outweighed Randleman by like 50lbs. Apples and oranges. And Lesnar was every bit on Randleman's level. He beat Herring, Couture, Mir and Carwin. 


Good point. As a wrestler, Lesnar was on randlemans level.


As an MMA fighter, Lesnar was much better on every other level. Better grappler, better sub defense, better striker and of course a bigger HW.



Lesnar was a better striker than Randleman? Fuck off with that shit. Randleman ko's a prime Cro Cop. Like peak destruction Cro Cop. Lesnar never even learned how to throw a punch.



Fuck you, I said it.


 


Lesnar never knew how to throw a punch? He dropped Herring, Mir, and Couture all in his FIRST FOUR fights. He used knees, elbows, and rocked couture on the feet several times before KOing him. He won the world championship in his freaking 4th pro fight via knockout on the feet.


 


Lesnar stood with Hunt and pretty much outstruck him for a whole round with leg kicks, Hunt never did anything to him.


 


Randleman is a better striker because he faked a takedown and caught cro cop? Cro Cop had 9 wins in MMA when he fought randleman, and randleman faked a takedown to land the perfect punch, but it was more of a result of Cro Cop still learning to adapt to MMA from kickboxing, and as a result not expecting a faked takedown, that he got caught.


 


It was a great move, but one knockdown does not make Randleman a better striker than Lesnar.


 


Lesnar had 9 fights in total, Randleman had 33. And look what lesnar proved in his 9 fights.



He dropped them with some oftheworstt, stiffest punches ever. He's a much striker than Randleman, that's just a fact. Prime Cro Cop > anybody Brock hit with a punch



Yes he is a much better striker than Randleman, that's what you meant to say.


What else did Randleman do on the feet in his 33 fight career besides one knockdown on cro cop? I'll wait. That one knockdown was from a faked takedown. Lesnar straight up stood with Couture for almost the entire fight and outstruck the guy with tons of more striking experience than he had at the top level in MMA. Couture was the guy who completely outstruck Gonzaga in his prior fight BTW, you know the same Gonzaga who head KOed prime Cro Cop. This is who lesnar was outstriking in his FOURTH FIGHT EVER, lol.


Lesnar did more in his 9 fights than Randleman did in 33 fights, so imagine if Lesnar got into MMA right out of college, he would have become a MUCH better and proven striker if he had a 33 fight career.


This is not rocket science.

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Lesnar by hulk smash on ground. 

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Talks of Fedor vs Couture, but the fight never happens. Fedor never joins the UFC.

Lesnar takes the Couture fight without hesitation as his FOURTH PROFESSIONAL FIGHT.

Talks of Fedor vs Overeem, but the fight never happens.

Lesnar fights Overeem coming off a LIFE THREATENING ILLNESS AND A FOOT OF HIS COLON REMOVED.

Lesnar is the man. No handpicking fights, no shady looking fights, no bitching about co-promotion and this and that. He just fights the next best guy without hesitation.

And the funny thing is that he was getting so much hate and disrespect around 2009, while everyone was dangling from fedors nuts in that same year. Now look how everything played out. Fedor was overrated.

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shadyboxer -

Lesnar by hulk smash on ground. 

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