My kids class is constantly waiting to long to tap on armbars and others are not realizing the arms all the way out and to not go further. I only allow extremely closely supervised rolls now because of this. Probably how it should be anyways but....
any advice on getting the kids to realize when to tap?
i would constantly reinforce the fact that it is important to tap in training, and show them that there is nothing wrong or shameful about it. no pride
its not a pride issue its a I don't think about it until it hurts issue.
Id say dont let kids under 13 roll with submissions and after that only supervised
you need enough coaches in each kids class to be able to cover all submission attempts, when the coaches see a possible submission to be able to not miss it, enough coaches standing near them to put a hault to the sub themselves if needed.
Punk is the most correct.
I would make it their choice to tap or not. They will figure it out soon enough*.
*J/K!
hell i cant even seem to get adults to tap at the right time it seems. tonight i thought i was about to break a guys arm on 2 occasions while rolling with him.
HuntingtonPunk is definitely right. We only allow 1 pair of kids to roll for each adult there to supervise, so we can stop the kids if they're putting themselves in danger.
(You should bring your kids to the Junior Championships in July, by the way.)
Supervision is the best way. I also reinforce the idea that the mistake was made 2-3 steps earlier, so they need to start over to fix their posture and pass strategy. Getting caught in the armlock itself is a major failure, the pain is just a byproduct that is not necessary for the tap. If they get hurt and can't train tomorrow, missing mat time hurts a lot worse than tapping out today.
How soon are you starting them with submissions?
HuntingtonPUNK - you need enough coaches in each kids class to be able to cover all submission attempts, when the coaches see a possible submission to be able to not miss it, enough coaches standing near them to put a hault to the sub themselves if needed.
some gyms would need 25 coaches
do u practice the tap?
twinkletoesCT - How soon are you starting them with submissions?
if you mean by age the youngest you can be in my class is 7
This is the reason why in Judo you aren't allowed to armbar and choke until a certain age.
Kai Tremeche - This is the reason why in Judo you aren't allowed to armbar and choke until a certain age.
This.
I know and I agree but their asking me to teach bjj. Obviously there are places teaching kids bjj safely.. I'm looking for feed back on how to be one of those places.
Judo Scott -twinkletoesCT - How soon are you starting them with submissions?
if you mean by age the youngest you can be in my class is 7
What I mean is "how long do they train with you before they learn submissions?"
At my gym, they do positional work ONLY at white and yellow belt. Submissions are introduced at orange, and they are only allowed to practice them on other students who are orange belt or above.
This allows me to spend the first year or two teaching them to be responsible partners before we ever cross that bridge.
What about if the arm goes past 90 degrees, the roll restarts, no tapping involved. This way the kid doing the armbar just lets go and resets and the kid getting armbarred has no choice in the matter. It is what I do with heal hooks because I refuse to even remotely twist a heel hook, I lock it up, I look at the guy and then release. Just a thought.
Judo Scott - My kids class is constantly waiting to long to tap on armbars and others are not realizing the arms all the way out and to not go further. I only allow extremely closely supervised rolls now because of this. Probably how it should be anyways but....
any advice on getting the kids to realize when to tap?
Yes, I have had similar problems teaching kid's classes. I have tried many things, but the best solution is to simply set an example for them: have the class watch as you roll lightly with one child. Than, catch him in an armbar and crank it until the arm breaks. Now your kids class will forever fear and respect the armbar.
It is also preferable to choose the kid who consistently shows up late for class and takes FOREVER to put his gi on. In this way, the class will see the arm breaking with a double meaning. They will know that if they either 1) do not tap or 2) drag their feet putting their gi on that the results are a broken arm.
Good luck.