How about just don't use substances you are not supposed to?
I understand that I am new but none of the those techniques work. A pubic hair in the urine? haha Thats a new one to me.
It doesn't matter if you sign you're name wrong a 1000 different ways. The signature "look" doesn't matter. Its the fact that you signed it that does. The "form" you speak of is called a Chain of Custody form.
As far as using fake urine and transporting it that only works if you are not being watched and 99% of the places do watch you. So that won't work either.
Not only do we watch but we have mirrors so we see everything
My friend was never watched and was always in a closed restroom with no working water.
Well Mikeblak if that is the case then its the testing companies fault. If he got away with it good for him. I truly mean that too. I take every precaution I can in making sure nobody fools me.
I used to have to issue them a lot working for Child Protective Services and no testing sights I was aware ofwould watch. Ivasion of privacy issues and such. Probation officers that administer the test can do that, but private testing facilities would run into a problem IMHO.
Nope, there is no problem at least here in Michigan with having tests observed. I just ensure a male always watches a male and Females are always watched by Females.
Dave, I assume from your posts that you are an observer. My technique works with an observer watching since you don't need to bring anything with you that you're not aloud. You also already have your hand where it needs to be to drop the hair without any noticeable motion. And you are wrong about the signatures. They need to match. Otherwise the people who have access to the sample between the time it is sealed and the time it is tested could open it, reseal it, and just fake a signature. Also, if you work in a lab, you know that a sample is inspected visually before it is tested and discarded if it contains debris.
My friend hasn't taken a test in a couple years and this is in Florida so the laws may have changes or may be different here.
Thanks for the info.
An observer? If you mean conduct the tests, yes I have done them. I actually own a Drug and Alcohol testing company here in Michigan. Before that I did drug testing on the district court level. I am considered an expert in this field in terms of testifying in a court of law.
They don't use full signatures for the chain of custody forms. Especially when you are talking about the one that goes over the cup to ensure it hasn't been tampered with. They are only initials.
The ONLY signature on the chain of custody is at the bottom of the form. So there is nothing to compare signatures too.
If you would like a copy of the form I can photo copy one and show you exactly what I am talking about.
So Dave, If the signature (which I have always had to provide) or initials as you say that go on the cup are not being compared to anything else, what proof do they offer that the sample hasn't been tampered with. I think you're a lier who just made a new screen name to discredit me.
A whole lot of sources lacking.
Also, Mikeblak is correct in that if you are not being observed, using someone else's urine is the best course of action. I just assumed the athletic commision is watching.
^^^If I had to choose who sounds more full of shit between you two, I'd pick the guy sprinkling magical faery pubes in his piss...
^^^If I had to choose who sounds more full of shit between you two, I'd pick the guy sprinkling magical faery pubes in his piss...
Just use your own common sense. Why would you sign (or even initial) the tape that seals your cup if it is not being checked against your signature? What purpose does that serve?
You out there Dave? Any explanation for this? ^^^
ttt for a complete investigation and full report.
Right Girljock. You sign (or maybe in some cases initial) a form before or when you get the cup. The form is different depending on who is conducting the test, but in any case you are signing a piece of paper. Then you sign (or initial) the seal.
What possible purpose could signing or initialing the seal have if they are not checking to ensure that it is actually your signature or initials?
Hey dumb shit. I was at work making those posts and I owned you in my intro thread and I will shut you up here too. At some point I do leave my work. This thread had nothing to do with me making my first post and you can read it in my other thread.
The reason they initial it and the reasoning behind it is that the "taepe" like how you put is not tape at all but its actually 2 pieces of paper with a barcode thats sticky on one end. The two pieces of paper actually make 1 but are connected by 2 short prong looking pieces of paper. So if you try and open the bottle you end up seperating the two pieces of paper in which also have you r initials on it which will spilt as well.
I will photo copy one just for you and post it up here. Just to shut your stupid ass up already.
^^I heard you should use those hand-warmers that you're meant to stick in your gloves when it's really cold out.
I don't have any experience trying this out though.