stobe - I have been watching since UFC 2. It has definitely lost its magic for me. I will tune in for the big fights, but they seem to be getting fewer and far between.
Unfortunately, I am content with looking at the results on the UG the next morning for the majority of the fights.
With that being said, if it is a JDS, Cain or Belfort fight etc... I get pumped just like the old days.
We need more stars!
We're longtime fans so a lot of the newness and excitement is gone. The sport has gone mainstream like we all wanted and taslked about in the past. We wanted fighters to get paid more and top guys to be comparitive to other sports. Wanted athletes who would focus on other sports to consider entering MMA. Wanted UFC on regular tv and covered by espn. Wanted the public to get onboard and realize the excitement of MMA. We got it. The problem is nobody considers the negative consequences that come with going mainstream. You've seen it in other walks of life. Be it comic books and comic cons where the casual fan can afford to go while hollywood has turned it into an advertising and marketing tool for movies and tv shows. Skateboarding where it used to be an underground thing and now xgames and corporate money has changed the whole scene. In music where bands you liked that were unknown and underground grew and "sold out" totally changing and focusing on appealing to the masses while losing that spark and edginess that made them special in the first place. Going mainstream comes at a price.
With mma it's now more about the money. An influx of fighters who may not be high quality. Growing pains as these fighters develop in front of you instead of behind the scenes like before. GSP came up in UCC and TKO before we saw him in the UFC, but nowadays he would have been on the radar earlier and expectatiosn would be different. There are more cards to satisfy tv, ppv and growth of sport which means the frequency of known fighters filling cards has gone down. More lower level fighters put on the show quicker so impatience with their development has gone up. Not to mention shady agents, managers, carpet baggers and opportunists coming in the sport just because they smell money and opportunity. The edginess of MMA is gone with rules and commercialization changing what MMA and true Vale Tudo used to be. It's just the price that we've paid. We wanted this for the benfits, but did not consider the price to be paid.
As i've said before, be careful what you wish for, you just may get it.
Yep. I was going to just watch main event. I tuned in at 9 and fell asleep before came on. It really is a great cure for insomnia though. Put my girlfriend and 2 buddies of mine sound asleep within an hour or so.
Funny enough, Boxing has made a major comeback the last few years with many big fights and young stars being built up. Something the UFC is failing to do.
Ive just started dvr'ing the fights and fast forwarding to the end unless it appears to be a good fight. It cuts 6 hours worth of fights to a very watchable 30 mins to an hour tops. Fights just aren't fun like they used to be, very dissapointing.
The only exception is, I do like WMMA as it has a raw excitement about it that's missing from lots of fights nowadays. The lighter weight classes...some I like, some I don't like. It's all well and good saying DJ is p4p blah blah, but he's not fun to watch. TJ vs Barao on the other hand was brilliant.
But yeah, two cards in one day and hioki vs olivera and Soa's fights were the only ones I was really interested in. And I wasn't up in time for hioki vs olivera and then Soa's fight just sucked. The Haka was the best thing I saw across the two shows.
44 Magnum - Dana has lost contact with the fans and what they want. Now hell tells fans what they should be fans of, or says don't watch.
Fans have responded Dana. Now a 200K PPV is far for the course.
If you don't like 135 guys fighting, and WMMA, then you're not a true fan.
That's not how you make customers happy. That's how you send hardcore fans that supported your organization through the tough times, packing. Like the Tuf 1 fans.
Back in the day, I had a family room full of friends that I talked into coming over for PPV's. I made them fans with my passion for the sport. No way would I even try nowadays, with 135 pounds guys or women headlining.
I'd make a fool out of myself, and my friends would be pissed at me for taking up their Sat night.
I truly wish it was different, but that's the truth.
If you can expand in Mexico, India, and China with your even lighter weight-classes (115), you'll still be making money, as long as the growth is faster than hardcore fans bailing, but doesn't a 150K PPV tell you anything?
Four years ago I would have killed for two UFC events on the same day. I used to plan UFC parties weeks in advance and have 5 to 15 people over for each one. Now, the UFC is something I watch by myself when nothing else is going on. I only watched one fight yesterday, Stephens vs Cub, even then I was on my tablet looking at threads on the UG after the second round.
I used to be known as "The UFC guy" because of how obsessed I was about MMA. Now I usually just DVR the shows that are on TV and fast forward through all the bullshit, yesterday I didn't even bother doing that much. I got home from a house warming party/BBQ at 12:40, just as Stephens was walking out, I checked the results and saw I didn't miss anything. I haven't bought a PPV in years and I honestly fell asleep streaming the last couple events. I'm the most hardcore MMA fan I've ever met in real life, I'm on the UG everyday, and I don't care about these events. I can only imagine how the casual fans interest has diminished since the FOX deal.
I have no doubt the UFC is still making a fuckload of money, but it seems the fighters aren't happy and the fans don't care. If Dana making money is all you care about (MMALOGIC), I hope you enjoy what the UFC has become. I know I used to spend lots of $ on the UFC, that no longer happens...
44 Magnum - Dana has lost contact with the fans and what they want. Now hell tells fans what they should be fans of, or says don't watch.
Fans have responded Dana. Now a 200K PPV is far for the course.
If you don't like 135 guys fighting, and WMMA, then you're not a true fan.
That's not how you make customers happy. That's how you send hardcore fans that supported your organization through the tough times, packing. Like the Tuf 1 fans.
Back in the day, I had a family room full of friends that I talked into coming over for PPV's. I made them fans with my passion for the sport. No way would I even try nowadays, with 135 pounds guys or women headlining.
I'd make a fool out of myself, and my friends would be pissed at me for taking up their Sat night.
I truly wish it was different, but that's the truth.
If you can expand in Mexico, India, and China with your even lighter weight-classes (115), you'll still be making money, as long as the growth is faster than hardcore fans bailing, but doesn't a 150K PPV tell you anything?
This, I used to hype every event to my casual fan friends. I'd tell them there's a UFC event, they'd ask who's fighting and I'd name every fight on the main card and even a few prelim fighters. Now I don't even know half the names on the main cards.
Like others have said in the past, the UFC's problem right now is they are running an entire sport and it's diluting everything.
It would be like if the NFL was showing college football, high school football, World league football along with the actual NFL. It hurts the brand, b/c you're not watching the best.
Boxing has gotten where they are today, b/c they solely concentrate on the big time fights for their PPVs. You don't hear about rising stars until after the cross a certain threshold for the most part.
The UFC should have kept WEC, Strikeforce, Pride, etc... and made them feeder/international leagues, so the UFC could showcase the best of the best.
Right now the UFC is making their money off of quantity, not quality.
Captfireeyes - Four years ago I would have killed for two UFC events on the same day. I used to plan UFC parties weeks in advance and have 5 to 15 people over for each one. Now, the UFC is something I watch by myself when nothing else is going on. I only watched one fight yesterday, Stephens vs Cub, even then I was on my tablet looking at threads on the UG after the second round.
I used to be known as "The UFC guy" because of how obsessed I was about MMA. Now I usually just DVR the shows that are on TV and fast forward through all the bullshit, yesterday I didn't even bother doing that much. I got home from a house warming party/BBQ at 12:40, just as Stephens was walking out, I checked the results and saw I didn't miss anything. I haven't bought a PPV in years and I honestly fell asleep streaming the last couple events. I'm the most hardcore MMA fan I've ever met in real life, I'm on the UG everyday, and I don't care about these events. I can only imagine how the casual fans interest has diminished since the FOX deal.
I have no doubt the UFC is still making a fuckload of money, but it seems the fighters aren't happy and the fans don't care. If Dana making money is all you care about (MMALOGIC), I hope you enjoy what the UFC has become. I know I used to spend lots of $ on the UFC, that no longer happens...
Here's the answer: For as vehemently as Dana denied that the UFC was going to be anything like Boxing, it is now EXACTLY like Boxing, in both watered down talent and time it takes to get to a main event.
Boxing has been at this for a hundred years, apparently the UFC just figured out how they turn a profit by oversaturing cans to the fanbase.
At least Don King paid his guys (while he robbed them) and stacked his undercards. Dana is worse for the fans and the fighters
They need to add entertainment value to their shows. Just showing fights isn't cutting out. How about some contests at these shows where someone in the audience wins a car or money? How about some live music in the Octagon between fights?
They need to add entertainment value to their shows. Just showing fights isn't cutting out. How about some contests at these shows where someone in the audience wins a car or money? How about some live music in the Octagon between fights?
They need to add entertainment value to their shows. Just showing fights isn't cutting out. How about some contests at these shows where someone in the audience wins a car or money? How about some live music in the Octagon between fights?
Fuck that nonsense.
Oh yeah, how about a $10,000 bonus every show for Fan Of The Night?
