Milford Cubicle -whistleblower - What exactly has Dana done to be "the greatest man in mma"?
Did he create the new rules that directly led to sanctioning and getting the UFC back on PPV?
No, he inherited them. The rules and original sanctioning had already been put into place under the previous owners before Dana ever took over, before Zuffa was even formed.
Did Dana save the UFC and bring it to its unprecedented mainstream boom?
No. What was responsible for saving the UFC - from going under into the $44 million hole that Dana himself had run the UFC into up to that point - was TUF. And not only was Dana not responsible for TUF, he was actually against it ever happening - except he was forced into doing it by the Fertittas and SpikeTV.
And TUF is what ended up entirely saving the UFC and single-handedly exploding it into the mainstream.
So again - what exactly has Dana done to be "the greatest man in mma"? Please be specific.
The most critical thing Dana ever did was tip the Fertittas off that the UFC was for sale in the first place - who then did the actual saving with their money, connections (especially with the NSAC), and decisions (especially to do TUF over Dana's objections).
THIS.
without a doubt
the godfather of mma..
Dana fan = mma fan
Anti Dana = Butthurt jealous LOSER!
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That and the guy with the dirtiest mouth
dfw jr - when i die? you morbid fucks LOL!
lol
He's a great promoter.
Hocky Balboa - He would be a distant second to Gary Shaw.
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Dana has truly changed the world view of MMA. He should definitely be remembered for his accomplishments. I may not like how he does certain things but I've got tons of respect for him
Don King of MMA, minus the hair haha
dabigchet - by this logic, no president of any company is ever responsible for anything. after all, they don't personally provide funding, major decisions need to be approved by a board of directors, they aren't directly building any widgets, etc.
By what "logic" would the president of a company be considered "responsible for" a concept which he only inherited from the previous owners - which they had already implemented before the current president ever came on board, and which the current president himself had nothing to do with?
By what "logic" would the president of a company be considered "responsible for" a move which he actually actively opposed - but which ended up happening only because the owners overruled him on it?
If the president of a company had wanted to take the company in one direction - but was then forced into taking an entirely different direction instead by the owners - and this new direction turned out to be the one move that entirely saved the company and brought it unprecedented prosperity - by what "logic" would you say it was still the president who was "responsible for" it?
By your "logic" then, would you give someone credit for being "responsible for" something which they either had nothing to do with at all - or which only even happened DESPITE their wishes and decisions? Or is it better "logic" to actually give people credit for things that actually did happen BECAUSE of them, not in spite of them.
dabigchet -Musashi -
This.
whistleblower is a legend in his own mind though. lol
tread lightly, or a novella length rant is headed your way.
Dabigchet, you're too noob to even realize the irony of that statement coming from Musashi. Talk about "a legend in his own mind." (Or can the singular pronoun "his" even be applied to such a "conglomeration of individuals"? Ha-ha. The UG's all-time biggest poseur.)
I love how WB always finds one or two phrases in every post that he responds to that he constantly puts quotes around. It's like every post is a 10th grade book report for him.
dfw jr - plus, i don't care about that shit now. why would i care when i'm dead?
Ur like Pride, U'll never die!
I think much of Dana's value lies in what isn't transparent to us. There is a reason the Fertittas like him in their day to day ops, and Lorenzo has stated so in interviews.
There are all kinds of skeptical outlooks on this, for example, the Fertittas just need a puppet; they're just being loyal to him as a friend, etc.
All of that is pretty superficial I think. He clearly does things that merit his position, that not only keep him employed, but healthily so (there has never been talk from credible sources of replacing him---so far as I remember).
His position is the most important and influential one in MMA now, and has been for a long time.
The question is whether he is easily replaceable; i.e., could someone with average competence for that position do what he does?
The Fertittas say no; and they would probably say that the position of the UFC president is a unique one, and so requires a unique person.
If we give the Fertittas credit for having the wisdom to go with a TUF show, then we should be inclined to look at their decision to keep Dana White employed as President as also a result of wisdom, presumably because Dana shows his quality through a special kind of competence.
He would merit a pretty big tombstone on MMA memorial grounds.
Maybe even a mausoleum, with his coffin protected by undead Chuck Lidells and such.
dabigchet - you are reducing nearly 10 years of history to 1 decision that DW was not on board with. while important, maybe a tiny bit more went into growing the UFC than
1. get money from friends.
2. pray.
3. get lucky with TUF.
Except according to Dana and Lorenzo themselves - as they have repeatedly stated - TUF is what entirely saved the UFC.
Here is just one example, from Dana:
On the Spike TV deal that helped lead to the UFC's success: "There would probably be no UFC without The Ultimate Fighter. Spike wouldn't pay to produce it, so we had to do that ourselves. It cost $10 million. Frank and Lorenzo said, 'Okay, we're in for $44 million. Let's go another $10.' If they hadn't had the balls to do that, we wouldn't be having this interview."
(http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/6394/105/)
And I'm sure Dana himself would confirm (since it is already on record) that both he and Lorenzo have repeatedly affirmed in the years since TUF, that TUF is the reason why they are even still here.
So if anyone has been "reducing nearly 10 years of history to 1 decision" - it's been Dana and Lorenzo themselves. According to them, it all did come down to TUF. (And again, TUF actually happened despite Dana - not because of him. If it had been up to Dana, TUF would have never even happened at all.)
I know i'm just a newb and all but i'm pretty sure whistleblower just shit all over you guys.
Keep up the good work. can't wait for DFW's kids to make their debut.
whistleblower -dabigchet - you are reducing nearly 10 years of history to 1 decision that DW was not on board with. while important, maybe a tiny bit more went into growing the UFC than
1. get money from friends.
2. pray.
3. get lucky with TUF.
Except according to Dana and Lorenzo themselves - as they have repeatedly stated - TUF is what entirely saved the UFC.
Here is just one example, from Dana:On the Spike TV deal that helped lead to the UFC's success: "There would probably be no UFC without The Ultimate Fighter. Spike wouldn't pay to produce it, so we had to do that ourselves. It cost $10 million. Frank and Lorenzo said, 'Okay, we're in for $44 million. Let's go another $10.' If they hadn't had the balls to do that, we wouldn't be having this interview."
(http://www.f4wonline.com/content/view/6394/105/)
And I'm sure Dana himself would confirm (since it is already on record) that both he and Lorenzo have repeatedly affirmed in the years since TUF, that TUF is the reason why they are even still here.
So if anyone has been "reducing nearly 10 years of history to 1 decision" - it's been Dana and Lorenzo themselves. According to them, it all did come down to TUF. (And again, TUF actually happened despite Dana - not because of him. If it had been up to Dana, TUF would have never even happened at all.)
You're never going to be able to use logic and facts to convince the lemmings of the truth my friend. it's a losing battle no matter how you slice it.
Reminds me of the buffalo runs the indians use to do. they're all so dumb they just follow each other right off the cliff.