Given the poor ratings on FOX and if the decline in PPV numbers EBeaver posted are accurate what does it say about ZUFFA and the MMA business in general?
UFC 1 - 86,000
UFC 2 - 110,000
UFC 3 - 90,000
UFC 4 - 120,000
UFC 5 - 240,000
UFC 6 - 260,000
UFC 7 - 212,000
UU95 - 251,000
UFC 8 - 185,000
UFC 9 - 141,000
UFC 10 - 96,000
UFC 11 - 92,000
UU96 - 120,000
UFC 12 - 122,000
UFC 13-32 - n/a
UFC 33 - 75,000
UFC 34 - 65,000
UFC 35 - 35,000
UFC 36 - 55,000
UFC 37 - 50,000
UFC 38 - 45,000
UFC 39 - 45,000
UFC 40 - 150,000
UFC 41 - 60,000
UFC 42 - 35,000
UFC 43 - 49,000
UFC 44 - 94,000
UFC 45 - 40,000
UFC 46 - 77,000
UFC 47 - 105,000
UFC 48 - 110,000
UFC 49 - 80,000
UFC 50 - 40,000
UFC 51 - 105,000
UFC 52 - 280,000
-2006-
UFC 57 - 400,000
UFC 58 - 290,000
UFC 59 - 425,000
UFC 60 - 620,000
UFC 61 - 775,000
UFC 62 - 500,000
UFC 63 - 400,000
UFC 64 - 300,000
UFC 65 - 500,000
UFC 66 - 1,040,000
-2007-
UFC 67 - 325,000
UFC 68 - 520,000
UFC 69 - 400,000
UFC 70 - SPIKE TV
UFC 71 - 675,000 (Dana had lied & claimed 1 million)
UFC 72 - 200,000 - IRELAND TAPE DELAY
UFC 73 - 425,000
UFC 74 - 485,000
UFC 75 - SPIKE TV
UFC 76 - 475,000
UFC 77 - 325,000
UFC 78 - 400,000
UFC 79 - 650,000
-2008-
UFC 80 - 225,000 - UK TAPE DELAY
UFC 81 - 600,000
UFC 82 - 325,000
UFC 83 - 525,000
UFC 84 - 450,000
UFC 85 - 225,000 - UK TAPE DELAY
UFC 86 - 550,000
UFC 87 - 500,000
UFC 88 - 510,000
UFC 89 - SPIKE TV
UFC 90 - 300,000
UFC 91 - 750,000
UFC 92 - 1,000,000
-2009-
UFC 93 - 350,000 - IRELAND TAPE DELAY
UFC 94 - 800,000
UFC 95 - SPIKE TV
UFC 96 - 375,000
UFC 97 - 650,000
UFC 98 - 635,000
UFC 99 - 360,000
UFC 100 - 1,720,000 (MMA Record)
UFC 101 - 1,050,000
UFC 102 - 535,000
UFC 103 - 400,000
UFC 104 - 475,000
UFC 105 - SPIKE TV
UFC 106 - 375,000
UFC 107 - 620,000
-2010-
UFC 108 - 300,000
UFC 109 - 275,000
UFC 110 - 240,000 - AUSTRALIA - NO TAPE DELAY
UFC 111 - 770,000
UFC 112 - 500,000
UFC 113 - 520,000
UFC 114 - 1,050,000
UFC 115 - 620,000
UFC 116 - 1,200,000
UFC 117 - 600,000
UFC 118 - 570,000
UFC 119 - 295,000
UFC 120 - SPIKE TV
UFC 121 - 1,050,000
UFC 122 - SPIKE TV
UFC 123 - 500,000
UFC 124 - 785,000
-2011-
UFC 125 - 270,000
UFC 126 - 725,000
UFC 127 - 260,000 - AUSTRALIA - NO TAPE DELAY
UFC 128 - 445,000 (Bones vs. Shogun)
UFC 129 - 800,000 (GSP vs. Shields)
UFC 130 - 300,000
UFC 131 - 325,000
UFC 132 - 350,000
UFC 133 - 310,000
UFC 134 - 335,000
UFC 135 - 450,000 (Rampage vs. Bones)
UFC 136 - 250,000
UFC 137 - 280,000
UFC 138 - SPIKE TV
UFC 139 - 290,000
UFC 140 - 485,000 (Bones, Mino, Mir, Ortiz, Rogerio)
UFC 141 - 800,000 (Lesnar)
-2012-
UFC 142 - 235,000
UFC 143 - 400,000 (Nick Diaz)
UFC 144 - 375,000
300 000 is about how many buys WWE gets for a good PPV. So the UFC can make a living off that but don't expect world domination. 
RML - 300 000 is about how many buys WWE gets for a good PPV. So the UFC can make a living off that but don't expect world domination. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
Isnt this the most heavily promoted event in years? And Vince knows what turns the dial. Stars. Bringing rock back could be a big deal.
However, this is why im asking the question, i've never watched wrestling.
But if stars sell PPV for wrestling and ZUFFA refuses to give us the marquee fights it may speak to their lack of evolving management skills.
RML - 300 000 is about how many buys WWE gets for a good PPV. So the UFC can make a living off that but don't expect world domination.They get like 80k in attendance. I would bet its well over 500k buys.
And to answer op
It says nothing about mma as a sport, UFC and WWE are leagues apart. It will take the UFC 40 years to catch where wwe is right now. It's like comparing Super Bowl numbers to the Stanley cup finals.. 2 completely different animals.
Farewell Brock -RML - 300 000 is about how many buys WWE gets for a good PPV. So the UFC can make a living off that but don't expect world domination. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>They get like 80k in attendance. I would bet its well over 500k buys. <br><br>And to answer op<br><br>It says nothing about mma as a sport, UFC and WWE are leagues apart. It will take the UFC 40 years to catch where wwe is right now. It's like comparing Super Bowl numbers to the Stanley cup finals.. 2 completely different animals. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
really?
http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/244981-wwe-2011-ppv-buy-rate-information-vs-2010-numbers
looks like aside from 1 event a year wwe ppv numbers are pretty shitty too....only 2 events in 2011 with over 300k ppv buys.
chokeyou -RML - 300 000 is about how many buys WWE gets for a good PPV. So the UFC can make a living off that but don't expect world domination. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
Isnt this the most heavily promoted event in years? And Vince knows what turns the dial. Stars. Bringing rock back could be a big deal.
However, this is why im asking the question, i've never watched wrestling.
But if stars sell PPV for wrestling and ZUFFA refuses to give us the marquee fights it may speak to their lack of evolving management skills.
Can I ask you what marquee fights UFC is refusing to give fans?
GSP/Silva and SIlva/Jones? those are the only two you can name and GSP is hurt and doesnt want to move up and niether does Silva.
So the UFC should force them so you can post how UFC treats their fighters like shit and forces them to do things they dont want to do.
Anyway doesnt this show do huge numbers every year but then they go back to like 160k a show, they have like three big events a year I think and this one will be huge since they have been promoting it for a year.
And maybe you missed the Fox ratings but doing 9 mill for the first show and over 6 mill for the second show I wouldnt exactly call those bad ratings.
It won't do huge numbers. The lead in was terrible. The Rock-Cena was handled wrong and CM Punk's momentum was crushed by HHH.
If there was better booking of the Rock, an advertised Lesnar appearence and CM Punk keeping his shoot character from the summer, it would do UFC 100 numbers.
Bobby Lupo - It won't do huge numbers. The lead in was terrible. The Rock-Cena was handled wrong and CM Punk's momentum was crushed by HHH.
If there was better booking of the Rock, an advertised Lesnar appearence and CM Punk keeping his shoot character from the summer, it would do UFC 100 numbers.
Dont watch wrestling anymore, havent since I i was a kid but I've seen the commercials and heard people talking about it for the last year, its the big even they do, they've been promoting this shit for a year that Rock/Cena fight, the shit will do big numbers.
It should def approach the million buy mark or exceed it.
1 mill is a huge number, it may not do 1.5, UFC 100 numbers or Floyd PPV numbers but anything close to a mill is huge, this event should def do close to a mill if not more.
Farewell Brock -RML - 300 000 is about how many buys WWE gets for a good PPV. So the UFC can make a living off that but don't expect world domination. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>They get like 80k in attendance. I would bet its well over 500k buys. <br><br>And to answer op<br><br>It says nothing about mma as a sport, UFC and WWE are leagues apart. It will take the UFC 40 years to catch where wwe is right now. It's like comparing Super Bowl numbers to the Stanley cup finals.. 2 completely different animals. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
I completely disagree. Both are completely comparable and quantifiable.
my parents are actually buying the ppv..
chokeyou - But if stars sell PPV for wrestling and ZUFFA refuses to give us the marquee fights it may speak to their lack of evolving management skills.
What fights are they refusing to give us?
SILVA V BONES,
There isnt another match up that is nearly as intriguing.
If it ain't Dutch, it ain't much - UFC numbers this year are actually better then what most expected, none of the first 3 cards had a huge draw on them and Diaz did far better then expected. With big cards this summer/fall:
May: Hwt title
June: Silva vs Sonnen
July 4th card
GSP return in Nov
The UFC could break PPV records this year.
As far as WWE, look at the stock price, it's way low because declining PPV rates, I think they are down like 12% from last year and down from the year before. More fans are going over to UFC each year.
WM is a different animal though, they will want to get 1,000,000 buys at least for this and I would say they should be in that area because of the Rock/Cena feud.
UFC break records this year? yeah right. 2010 had 9 mill buys, had 3 1 mill buy shows, every card was like 500k, no way they come close to that.
Some big fights, Rashad/Jones I think can do 600k, maybe 700k, Silva/Sonnen same thing, JDS/Reem 500k, GSP return can do 800k cause its GSP but thats not breaking the record, not even close.
And the July card is again Faber/Cruz, that card wont do huge buys.
Like nobones said there aren't any of boxing or major MMA PPV this month do WM might do well.
Haadogei - funny, i stopped coming on here because of all the people like chokeyou. I recognized his username as one of the few dozen or so habitual, angry, anti-UFC trolls that sort of ruin the message boards. Then I saw the thread title and his name and took the bait, just for laughs.
and, yes, it is a stupid, UFC hating thread. Shocking.
You're right chokeyou, UFC sucks, it's declining, it's gonna die out, WWE, boxing and Pride are/were 100 times better than UFC, blah blah blah.
10 years, 23,000 posts.....people get it already. You don't like UFC. So here's a thought - stop posting every day on an mma website.
why would you return to a place with free exchange of ideas? Seems more like you should be on thee UFC message board.
champion vs. champion bouts are only good for 1 event. After that the loser isn't nearly as marketable, so why think of the short term? Even if the lighter wieght class fighter wins people call it a fluke, ie hendo/fedor.
chokeyou -Care to elaborate?Farewell Brock -RML - 300 000 is about how many buys WWE gets for a good PPV. So the UFC can make a living off that but don't expect world domination. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>They get like 80k in attendance. I would bet its well over 500k buys. <br><br>And to answer op<br><br>It says nothing about mma as a sport, UFC and WWE are leagues apart. It will take the UFC 40 years to catch where wwe is right now. It's like comparing Super Bowl numbers to the Stanley cup finals.. 2 completely different animals. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
I completely disagree. Both are completely comparable and quantifiable.
Bobby Lupo - It won't do huge numbers. The lead in was terrible. The Rock-Cena was handled wrong and CM Punk's momentum was crushed by HHH.
If there was better booking of the Rock, an advertised Lesnar appearence and CM Punk keeping his shoot character from the summer, it would do UFC 100 numbers.
lol @ this.
Yep the numbers were HORRIBLE....
WWE > UFC...forever
Farewell Brock -lolwut?RML - 300 000 is about how many buys WWE gets for a good PPV. So the UFC can make a living off that but don't expect world domination.They get like 80k in attendance. I would bet its well over 500k buys.
And to answer op
It says nothing about mma as a sport, UFC and WWE are leagues apart. It will take the UFC 40 years to catch where wwe is right now. It's like comparing Super Bowl numbers to the Stanley cup finals.. 2 completely different animals.
