Please forward this info to Rener so he can see their absurdity. 
HotSteppa - ^^^You are forgetting the gym solicited people to try them by calling them keyboard warriors
No gym is going to do this, they must've caught wind of your true motives, and having a camera means you are up to no good.
I would do the same thing, but I wouldn't be as nice and you would've left the hard way, in the style I saw my old biker Karate instructors do.
You are trying to ruin their business, and weren't being sincere. Proof of that is the fact you made a post here.
The art of teaching without teaching
Next level shit right there!
Was Dad and the teens. Doors unlocked at 9:01. Still zero students in house at 9:10 when I was kicked out.
I let them know I was a doubter who had followed the story on Facebook but had an open mind and saw their posts welcoming visitors to judge in person at a Masters Cycle class so I was here from Phoenix to do just that.
EvilGumby - I let them know I was a doubter who had followed the story on Facebook but had an open mind and saw their posts welcoming visitors to judge in person at a Masters Cycle class so I was here from Phoenix to do just that.Were u in the gi with your purple belt on
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- Please talk to Rener
EvilGumby - I let them know I was a doubter who had followed the story on Facebook but had an open mind and saw their posts welcoming visitors to judge in person at a Masters Cycle class so I was here from Phoenix to do just that.
I understand what you were trying to do, but think how it would come across to them. Why would you waste your time 'invading' someone else's business when you have stated that would never become a member? What benefit of it is to you and your training? Were your motivations to build them up or knock them down? What would you be filming? Would you be filming them teaching a class? I am sure they can teach well. What did you hope to gain by crashing the business of a couple of teenage girls? If, like my old Karate dojo, it was filled with bikers who will not think twice about locking the doors and putting you in hospital (something I witnessed), would you do the same thing? Why is this your business? I am not sure this is best strategy.
It was obvious you were not sincere, and no normal person, unless a reporter or something, shows up and wants to videotape.
The problem is that this whole situation has them on the defensive, and you are there to show them up, and not help them. For some reason you want to play judge and jury, and the verdict has already been decided.
So tell us exactly, why you, a grown man, would want to bother with all of this, and what you expected to happen?
checkuroil -HotSteppa - ^^^You are forgetting the gym solicited people to try them by calling them keyboard warriors
No gym is going to do this, they must've caught wind of your true motives, and having a camera means you are up to no good.
I would do the same thing, but I wouldn't be as nice and you would've left the hard way, in the style I saw my old biker Karate instructors do.
You are trying to ruin their business, and weren't being sincere. Proof of that is the fact you made a post here.
I agree with them in the context of people hide behind computer screens and hurl insults. Most true practitioners are too busy practicing to get involved in drama that has nothing to do with them.
If it was me dropping in, i would have gone sincerely to see how they teach and what impact they have on their students. This is just a witch hunt, and it is obvious.
Now I think their Kenpo Jitsu mash-up is stupid is BS, but it's up to the consumer decided.
HotSteppa -EvilGumby - I let them know I was a doubter who had followed the story on Facebook but had an open mind and saw their posts welcoming visitors to judge in person at a Masters Cycle class so I was here from Phoenix to do just that.
I understand what you were trying to do, but think how it would come across to them. Why would you waste your time 'invading' someone else's business when you have stated that would never become a member? What benefit of it is to you and your training? Were your motivations to build them up or knock them down? What would you be filming? Would you be filming them teaching a class? I am sure they can teach well. What did you hope to gain by crashing the business of a couple of teenage girls? If, like my old Karate dojo, it was filled with bikers who will not think twice about locking the doors and putting you in hospital (something I witnessed), would you do the same thing? Why is this your business? I am not sure this is best strategy.
It was obvious you were not sincere, and no normal person, unless a reporter or something, shows up and wants to videotape.
The problem is that this whole situation has them on the defensive, and you are there to show them up, and not help them. For some reason you want to play judge and jury, and the verdict has already been decided.
So tell us exactly, why you, a grown man, would want to bother with all of this, and what you expected to happen?
Uh oh watch out for the biker karate hard ass up in here. The girls have said that if u rolled with them u would understand, they also invited people to come check them out before making a judgement. Homeboy went up to check it out. Props to him
HotSteppa -EvilGumby - I let them know I was a doubter who had followed the story on Facebook but had an open mind and saw their posts welcoming visitors to judge in person at a Masters Cycle class so I was here from Phoenix to do just that.
I understand what you were trying to do, but think how it would come across to them. Why would you waste your time 'invading' someone else's business when you have stated that would never become a member? What benefit of it is to you and your training? Were your motivations to build them up or knock them down? What would you be filming? Would you be filming them teaching a class? I am sure they can teach well. What did you hope to gain by crashing the business of a couple of teenage girls? If, like my old Karate dojo, it was filled with bikers who will not think twice about locking the doors and putting you in hospital (something I witnessed), would you do the same thing? Why is this your business? I am not sure this is best strategy.
It was obvious you were not sincere, and no normal person, unless a reporter or something, shows up and wants to videotape.
The problem is that this whole situation has them on the defensive, and you are there to show them up, and not help them. For some reason you want to play judge and jury, and the verdict has already been decided.
So tell us exactly, why you, a grown man, would want to bother with all of this, and what you expected to happen?
This is a business "owned" by teenage girls financed and sheparded by their parents.
They invited this situation. They could've also done a vid of the class to make sure nothing was edited and used it as an opportunity to silence their detractors. They did not.
i'm late on this. Can someone point me to a thread for some context?
Lew83 - i'm late on this. Can someone point me to a thread for some context?
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/thread/2492578/This-is-getting-out-of-hand/?pc=353
As mentioned, THEY requested this; THEY suggested people come roll with them as proof of competence.
They could have just said, "Well, our school is not for everyone. We're just doing our own thing."
Their people said others would understand if they rolled with them. One girl is continuously referred to as "future world champion". --Not once or twice, but over and over again. It's quite weird.
But I understand, in reality, they are just two silly, girls who are more or less enthusiastic beginners in the sport. That part is great. The problem is the greed, stupidity, dishonesty and lack of foresight of adults who put them in this situation. No one should have ever given them a school and no one should have "certified" it.
I mean, my niece & nephew made me pretty decent French Toast recently --I was really impressed. I didn't however go out and buy them a restaurant and start saying they were future "Michelin Star chefs".
Sub 
I'm in Boulder for the rest of the day but will try to log back in periodically via phone. I have a pic of me in front of the building (posted it to Reners Facebook along with the comment that I was kicked out). Also have a 10 sec vid of me leaving the parking lot agent having been told to leave or the cops would be called.
They (and even on the bread here) invited doubters to come roll to be convinced. I specified I was exactly that. I also offered to let them take video of the entire class with me in it as well as rolling to support their cause.
Unable to upload anything to here as a mudder though.
(Probably terrible phone typing and formatting here)
Oh, and I showed up with my gi in hand and was requested to show m belt as proof.
Rubber Ducky -Lew83 - i'm late on this. Can someone point me to a thread for some context?
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/thread/2492578/This-is-getting-out-of-hand/?pc=353
Thanks RD.
Check their latest FB post. "No one showed for Master Cycle so morning mitts for Maycee....Bonus time!!!"
https://www.facebook.com/graciefortcollins?__mref=message_bubble
shen -
As mentioned, THEY requested this; THEY suggested people come roll with them as proof of competence.
They could have just said, "Well, our school is not for everyone. We're just doing our own thing."
Their people said others would understand if they rolled with them. One girl is continuously referred to as "future world champion". --Not once or twice, but over and over again. It's quite weird.
But I understand, in reality, they are just two silly, girls who are more or less enthusiastic beginners in the sport. That part is great. The problem is the greed, stupidity, dishonesty and lack of foresight of adults who put them in this situation. No one should have ever given them a school and no one should have "certified" it.
I mean, my niece & nephew made me pretty decent French Toast recently --I was really impressed. I didn't however go out and buy them a restaurant and start saying they were future "Michelin Star chefs".
This exactly! I read repeated requests from them and numerous open invitations to try a Master Cycle class. They even had one of their "blackbelts" on here doing the same. Said blackbelt on here promptly disappeared once I offered to do so.
They also called publicly called out a local Royce blackbelt as well. Mysteriously, these offers, callouts, and challenges have all been suddenly deleted
shen -
As mentioned, THEY requested this; THEY suggested people come roll with them as proof of competence.
They could have just said, "Well, our school is not for everyone. We're just doing our own thing."
Their people said others would understand if they rolled with them. One girl is continuously referred to as "future world champion". --Not once or twice, but over and over again. It's quite weird.
But I understand, in reality, they are just two silly, girls who are more or less enthusiastic beginners in the sport. That part is great. The problem is the greed, stupidity, dishonesty and lack of foresight of adults who put them in this situation. No one should have ever given them a school and no one should have "certified" it.
I mean, my niece & nephew made me pretty decent French Toast recently --I was really impressed. I didn't however go out and buy them a restaurant and start saying they were future "Michelin Star chefs".
Guys, they are motivated teenage girls, but they key being that they are TEENAGE GIRLS still in high school.
If they were 25 year olds, or something, then I understand, i just don't see why grown men want to teach some teenage girls a lesson in BJJ.
I'm not sure if greed is the issue, but just it's more like the human need of wanting to be part of something bigger. I personally have ZERO problem with them and/or what they do beyond stupidly, out of gross insecurity and naiveness, wearing black karate belts during their BJJ classes or some nonsense like that. That, and a little hyperbole.
If they have created a community that enjoys the activity and willingly pays for it, it's no one's business but theirs.
I personally don't have a problem with the certified status as they are following a process, much like a franchise, whether or not one disagrees with the approach, and they (supposedly) teach a highly specific set o techniques, drills and sequences in a prescribed manner. And they seem to be doing far better than the typical couch-surfing, tattooed, weed-promoting,shady-ass guys I saw running gyms as blue, purple, and brown belts over the past 20 years.
Yes, they are engaging in a bit of cult-like thinking, and hyperbole, but I am just confused as to why anyone would even care. Do what you think is good for you and stop worrying about things happening across the country or with people you will never meet.
Can someone screen cap their current status? They are posting that "no one showed up for master cycle". I showed up and have photo proof of that fact.
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