Joe Schilling sleeps drunk guy at bar

no the people at the bar are scared of joe

The circumstances were much different for the guy who got killed. And it would be lottery odds that dude could have landed a punch that would do significant damage to JS. If thatā€™s where the bar gets set then fighters can go around wiping people out for any kind of slight. Again, Iā€™m not saying JS should stand there and take hits and do nothing about it. But clearly he wanted to hurt that guy. He could have easily ended it mundanely. Iā€™m wondering if he had something to do with the filming of this, knowing what he was going to do.

Thereā€™s an interesting part of Joeā€™s story that it seems, for some reason, he failed to mention in his explanation. He brought up all sorts of reasons why he hit the guyā€¦he was rapping at him, looking at him, used the n word, was rude to staff etc. He even says all the staff thanked him after he knocked the guy out.

Yet according to the police report, the manager says that the drunk guy said something insulting to/about a woman that was with Schilling and it pissed him off, escalating the whole situation. Joe never mentioned anything about that happening, or if he was even there with someone. Thatā€™s oddā€¦ Perhaps the manager was wrong, but it says all the staff corroborated the sequence of eventsā€¦

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Management was trying to put it on the dude, but management ended up implicating themselves in a civil lawsuit when they stated that this guy had caused problems several other times. Tie guyā€™s lawyer can argue credibly that the bar knowingly allowed a situation to fester by continuing to serve him, knowing there was risk. Iā€™m not a lawyer but that makes sense to me.

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Exactly! There are people you want to do that to. Iā€™ve wished I could knock out several people. Wanting to is understandable, but you donā€™t actually do it if you want to remain in polite society.

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I donā€™t think I made my point clear enough: my points was that the sucker punch story shows how punches can absolutely kill somebody, and KOing somebody and letting them fall onto a hard floor can kill them. Joe had nothing to fear and he knows that. We all know that ā€“ we saw the video. But, Joeā€™s actions could have killed the guy.

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When in doubt, listen to Wiggumā€™s advice

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Of course any punch can be deadly if the stars align, which is why I donā€™t take fighting lightly as Iā€™ve gotten older and smarter. I donā€™t start yelling at people and flipping them off for being shitty drivers and so on. That said, a punch from Joe Schilling has a good probability of altering your life. He might be a journeyman pro, but even a .170 hitting baseball catcher would look like Babe Ruth on the slow pitch softball circuit.

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Right. Thatā€™s what Iā€™m saying.

i agree he could have easilly had his head cracked open

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For a pro fighter to do this is really not far off from a guy with a gun antagonizing drunk people, then when they confront him he shoots them in ā€œself defenseā€.

There are a million different ways a pro fighter could handle a situation like this if they were intent on ā€œteaching a lessonā€. Firing off a full force combo like itā€™s a world title fight is not it.

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Shilling going to jail

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Canā€™t help but think that this feels like one of those scenarios where Joe knew about this guy maybe, was told stories, so he got his buddy to film saying ā€œwatch what happens when he tries his shit on meā€ except the guy didnā€™t really try his shit and then Joe hit him anyway.

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OK. So if youā€™re admitting he didnā€™t appear to expect to be punched, itā€™s a sucker punch, an unexpected punch or blow, by definition.

Your mother must have drank a lot when she was pregnant with you.

No part of that was a sucker punch.

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This is a very poor take on the words sucker punch. A sucker punch is what happens when Iā€™ve had zero contact or communication with a person that hits me. Iā€™m not expecting it because I have not interacted with them.
Itā€™s not a sucker punch if Iā€™m having an altercation that I donā€™t expect to turn physical because it doesnā€™t meet my personal standards for what should constitute throwing a punch.
Thatā€™s called not being prepared to back up your words with actions.
Honestly, this is one of the shittiest semantics arguments Iā€™ve read on here and thatā€™s really saying something.

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I appreciate you sharing your interpretation of the phrase, but Iā€™m just going by its definition to keep things simple.

Schilling punched a man who didnā€™t expect to be hit. Thatā€™s a sucker punch by definition. Please look it up if you need to verify.

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Well, youā€™re a poo-poo head.

As the wise Sensei Johnny Lawrence once said, ā€œThe best defense you can know, is more offenseā€.

More importantly

Itā€™s likely assault from a legal view