Jose Aldo has more of a claim to GOAT than Khabib

Highest current ELO Rating if you don’t count one (1) African Muslim.

Edit: Context.

Edit: More context.

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1000% legacy Aldo > Khabib

Ali said nobody wanted to fight him, then he had health issues and contemplated never fighting again. As of a few months ago he is looking to come back

Pretty fucking cool the way they put that together.

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That’s my guy MMA ELO. I’m trying to get him to do a new one.

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So you talking about the CEO of ELO and EPO? I kid I kid

That’s an interesting system and Video I’m going to have to research that criteria and watch it again.

Cool to see Fedor at #1 for 78 Consecutive Months.
The AKA boys DC and Khabib are at… 4 Months and 2 Months respectively… Interesting…

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He has one for only Lightweights if you want to watch that one. And one explaining how his ELO rating system works.

This one as well.

Guy’s a legitimate genius. He just does this as a hobby. I could probably do a whole post or write an article about what he’s doing. It’s fucking fascinating stuff. He uses his model to effectively predict who will win and how and uses it to make money off outcomes.

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Again. Zero compelling arguments for Khabib. Shocked I tell you! I’m SHOCKED!

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Spolier: It’s Khabib.

He’s statistically the best Lightweight in MMA history.

Source: See above.

Thanks for posting I will definitely check these out.

It can get subjective at times like for example accounting for the consequences or damage inflicted by Heavyweights vs every other weight class or vs WMMA so I am really interested to see what criteria he comes up and how he balances the intangibles of MMA aspects.

The thread should’ve just been this post and bunch of thumbs up. Not much else to discuss

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100000%. Khabib beat Able Trujillo and Kamal Shalarus though. He’s definitely the goat.

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The higher probability of being KO’d at heavyweight, light heavyweight, etc. (and by fighters with more KOs) is taken into account by his model when predicting fight outcomes. If that’s what you’re wondering. If not, feel free to clarify. Edit: I think it weighs what it thinks the likelihood of say a knockout happening is against the odds from various sportsbooks and tells you if you should bet on it or not.

From his ‘Elo Ratings and Win Attribution in MMA’ video he states that even judges/fans/media scorecards are taken into account when ultimately deciding one’s ELO Rating. It’s more in-depth than even I am able to understand.

He’s been tweaking it a ton lately which is why I’ve been goading him into making an updated ‘best fighters’ video both because of his new system and because of the emergence of guys like Kamaru and Francis in 2021.

Continuing discussion here.

I’ll leave this thread opened for Khabib slander.

What I meant was the dangers and risks of fighting at Heavyweight for example the consequences of fighting a Francis Ngannou are so much greater than any other weight class that it means something extra when you Reign for long periods of time. I was wondering how a system could account for something like that.

By comparison Amanda Nunes is allowed some room for error fighting a 135 pound woman but there is 0 room for error fighting at HW.

There are so many aspects to take into consideration when rating or comparing fighters or careers when they are different weights or sex. I am bias towards Heavyweights because I just think it is so much more dangerous than any other weight when you get a skilled Heavyweight. This is why the longest UFC Reign at HW was like 2 or 3 fights forever but every other weight class below it had long Reigns with some going double digits.

I think that means something extra when a HW enters the cage against another large and very skilled HW. There is just so much more at risk. It is the only weight class where every single fighter has KO power. There are some 205ers who don’t really hit that hard but not really when it comes to Heavyweight.

Sorry to ramble I hope that clarified what I was talking about. I know it is a lot of opinion and very subjective.

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Khabib was fighting a guy who was 0-0 whe he was 14-0

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When he was 5-0 though he fought a guy who is currently an undefeated BRAVE fighter, the fight after that he fought a guy who went on to win a Bellator Season tournament and then after he fought a guy who has gone on to win an ACA LW title, challenge for an ACA WW title. Two fights after fighting that 0-0 fighter at 14-0, Khabib fought Arymarcel Santos at WW who is now today the 183rd ranked LHW in the world. He also won two combat sambo world titles while putting together his 16-0 pre-UFC record.

I have Aldo higher than Khabib on my list of ranked GOATS but Khabib did a lot and people should be honest about what he did in his career because he did more than his detractors say.

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And yet Khabib is still a better, more dominant fighter.

Sure he killed a lot of cans.

But when he faced the McGregor’s, Poirier’s and Gaethje’s, he killed them just as easily if not easier.

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I say they’re too different to compare. I’d personally rather have Khabib’s record than Aldo’s. You know it haunts Aldo getting starched by Conor. Aldo also has a lot of very close fights. It’s amazing what Aldo has accomplished, but he has been beaten up too many times. Both guys are badass.

Thats why I was saying its very difficult to compare GOATS because of all the variables. Sure Aldo has been beatdown a few times but he has spent 14 years at the elite level of the sport while Khabib only did it for 8 years.

14 vs 8.

We will just never know how many times Khabib would have lost like Aldo if Khabib spent another 6 years at the elite level of the sport like Aldo.

Its like GSP, he pretty much retired at 32 like Khabib, of course his record is prettier than Fedor’s record. Fedor is 45, been competing at the highest level of MMA for 20 years, GSP only did that for 9 years and then returned for the Bisping fight.

Its like how do you compare Cruz’s career to Sakuraba’s or Penns? Cruz stayed in his weight class the entire time while Saku and Penn went up one, two, three and sometimes four weight classes to fight anybody in the world while Cruz never gave up 10 lbs. Very different careers among the GOATs.

Cruz is not much smaller than Penn. How do you think Cruz would handle Hughes, GSP, Fitch, Rodrigo Gracie or Machida?