Ken Florian at lightweight

"Sherk has the best wrestling in the division. Aside from maybe Stevenson, there are very few at light weight who will have an easy time outwrestling Florian for an entire fight"

He would get outwrestled by just about any UFC lightweight, with the sole exception of Hominick. LOL

"and who the fuck said anything about winning championships. You dont have to win a championship to be considered elite in your weight class."

An elite fighter is one that has a shot at winning a championship. Florian will NEVER win a UFC title fight, except on a fluke cut. If he's a not a contender for the title maybe he souldn't be fighting in the UFC.

"could be better, could be worse. good enough for an mma board"

That sums up your life pretty well. You could be better at everything, but in the end why bother when you can make a living flipping burgers? Isn't such a person called a loser?

Kenny is pretty one dimensional. Sherk didn't outstrike him because he didn't need to. He came to win. Why take any chances?

"An elite fighter is one that has a shot at winning a championship. Florian will NEVER win a UFC title fight, except on a fluke cut. If he's a not a contender for the title maybe he souldn't be fighting in the UFC."

How many fighters at lightweight have a better shot at beating Sherk? none really. in fact Sherk would more than likely do the exact same to Takanori Gomi, who at the end of the day would end up with the same bag of shit as Florian. I guess there aren't many guys with elite potential in the weight class, because there aren't many guys who will stand much chance at wearing the belt as long as long as Sherk is around. As boring as he is he is, he is a bad match up for the majority, if not all in that division.

"That sums up your life pretty well. You could be better at everything, but in the end why bother when you can make a living flipping burgers? Isn't such a person called a loser?"

coming from a twit, who is so petty he has to talk about writing skills on a mma message board. careful about throwing stones in glass homes because bigger losers than yourself are extremely hard to come by. you define it.

anyone who says Florian is one dimensional, doesn't know the definition. I will save you the time in looking it up, only to find a picture of Sherk beside one dimensional in the dictionary.

"How many fighters at lightweight have a better shot at beating Sherk? none really. in fact Sherk would more than likely do the exact same to Takanori Gomi, who at the end of the day would end up with the same bag of shit as Florian. I guess there aren't many guys with elite potential in the weight class, because there aren't many guys who will stand much chance at wearing the belt as long as long as Sherk is around. As boring as he is he is, he is a bad match up for the majority, if not all in that division."

umm there are plenty of guys who would beat Sherk. Florian is elite in the UFC simply because all the talent is with Pride.

Shaolin

Kawajiri

Ishida

are three guys for starters that could very well outwrestle Sherk or stop his takedowns and fuck him up

Hansen could very likely beat Sherk from the bottom considering he is lightyears better off his back than Florian is.

Sherks hype is undeserved considering he has done exactly jackshit at 155. Florian was never top ten and nobody even gave him a chance. Just because Sherk could not finish him doesnt mean Florian is that good. It means Sherks finishing skills outside of injury or cut is bad

none would outwrestle Sherk, Prides hold at the claim to the best light weight division in the world will continue to weaken as time progresses.

lol and as we all know your predictions are always spot on

" Hansen could very likely beat Sherk"

Hansen barely eked out a decision over Yves, who was destroyed in back to back UFC fights by a relatively unknown guy moving up from 145, and a TUF fighter.

^^ styles make fights orcus

And you need to go watch Hansens shooto fights to see how amazing he is off his back. His reverse G&P from his back does more damage than Sherk has ever done in his career on top

'lol and as we all know your predictions are always spot on'

for the most part they are.

no your a canadian dickrider who is only hyping Florian up now because he choked out your boy Stout in 2 mins.

"Against Leben, Swick did not look good, and if we were to use that fight to view Swick as a striker, than he sure is beatable, and Loiseau would be one of the guys who would take him out"

Loiseau sure took Swick out just like you predicted didnt he!

theres a few good fights for him out there right now, i think nows the time if we find out kenflo is elite...although he's already shown hes an excellent fighter

"no your a canadian dickrider who is only hyping Florian up now because he choked out your boy Stout in 2 mins."

Stout has one of the brightest futures in the division, and Florian no doubt earned my full respect with his performance over Stout.

"Loiseau sure took Swick out just like you predicted didnt he"

Loiseau showed in the 3rd round that he is the better fighter, and that result was not a reflection of his abilities, just his mental game and his at times tentativeness. When he decided it was time to fight and show what he is capable of, it was clear he was fully capable of handing Swick his ass.

but by all means, keep digging up my past predictions. keep them coming, I think we will find that very rarely are they off.

"He didn't hit Sherk with any clean kicks. He ate the inside leg kick all night long, ran from the standup after getting rocked with the left hook, ran from the takedowns."

I hate to break my lurking status for this, but your an idiot. Seriously, which fight were you watching?

Kenny clearly had an edge in the standup, but was positionally dominated. There was no "brutal ground and pound". Sherk was simply able to take Kenny down, keep him there, shut down his submission game, and stay active enough to win the decision.

"Stout has one of the brightest futures in the division, and Florian no doubt earned my full respect with his performance over Stout."

translation: Kenny humiliated my countryman and i need to believe Kenny is among the best otherwise what would that say about my boy Stout. That he got tapped by an average fighter?

"Loiseau showed in the 3rd round that he is the better fighter, and that result was not a reflection of his abilities, just his mental game and his at times tentativeness. When he decided it was time to fight and show what he is capable of, it was clear he was fully capable of handing Swick his ass."

Riiight. Loiseau CHOSE to play the part of punching bag. And the reason he came back in the third round was because Swick was tired of punching and kicking him for 2 rounds and taking him down. The only thing that was clear is that Loiseau has never recovered from the beating Rich gave him. And the only reason i brought this up was because the thread where we discussed this was tttd again. And in that thread just like this. You basically wanted to overhype Franklins standup skills because he beat Loiseau like he stole something.

You are pretty predictable

Hype up whoever beats the canadian. Even if the canadian in question might not even be that good in the first place

"How many fighters at lightweight have a better shot at beating Sherk? none really."

If the history of the sport has proven anything it's that an elite specialist - like Sherk - is likely to lose against a well-rounded fighter of similar level. That means that any fighter with Florian's skill set and better than average takedown defense is more likely than not to win against Sherk. In other words, if dominant wrestlers were unbeatable, Coleman would never have lost his heavyweight belt.

Lacking in wrestling, the end of the matter is that Florian's skill set is grossly incomplete; against UFC level opponents, he can only win on the fluke chance on a cut, and from his back.

"none would outwrestle Sherk"

You don't need to outwrestle Sherk in order to beat him, just like Liddell didn't outwrestle Couture, or Silva didn't outwrestle Rampage and Arona. What you do need is a good take down defense and footwork. The problem is that Florian will develop neither of them because he totally relies on the off chance of a cut, which he can inflict just as well from his back.

"translation: Kenny humiliated my countryman and i need to believe Kenny is among the best otherwise what would that say about my boy Stout. That he got tapped by an average fighter?"

average fighter doesn't go 5 tough rounds, while taking minimal punishment, with a guy who was ranked top 3 for the last few years at 170 lbs, one of the best divisions in the world. No lightweight in the world could go up to 170 and come close to being able to do as well as Sherk. all your Pride heros would be finished by guys like St Pierre in 1. Sherk for a very long time was a top dog there, Ken's performance last night showed he is well above average.

"Riiight. Loiseau CHOOSE to play the part of punching bag. And the reason he came back in the third round was because Swick was tired of punching and kicking him for 2 rounds and taking him down. The only thing that was clear is that Loiseau has never recovered from the beating Rich gave him. And the only reason i brought this up was because the thread where we discussed this was tttd again. And in that thread just like this. You basically wanted to overhype Franklins standup skills because he beat Loiseau like he stole something. "

Loiseau has made a habit of being tentative, and shutting down mentally. It is not a true indication of his skill level, and yes his skill level is clearly on par with Swick as his dominating 3rd round would show.

by the way, you can also go back to that same thread and see my prediction for Silva/Franklin was pretty on, and that whole debate started because of your ridiculous comments about it being a negative that Franklin was dropped by Loiseau, when the reality is, when Loiseau explodes and connects he can drop if not finish anyone in that division.

keep my past predictions coming.

Kenny showed one dimension in that fight.

"SURVIVOR MODE"

He did a great job at surviving five rounds against a much better fighter. I didn't see him do anything in that fight that would make me think he could beat the other top lightweights. He showed heart and cardio.

What dimension did you see Kenny display other than survive?

Kenny did not apply any will on Sherk other than the will to last five rounds.

"average fighter doesn't go 5 tough rounds, while taking minimal punishment, with a guy who was ranked top 3 for the last few years at 170 lbs, one of the best divisions in the world."

Well firstly minimal punishment is just your delusional opinion. Everyone else saw Kenny get his ass handed to him. And average fighters do last with Sean Sherk. Case in point Ryuki Uyeama with an amazing 6-8 record. Yupp that Sherk is a smashing machine alright. I never considered him top 3 the past few years. Maybe back when BJ and GSP was not in the UFC. But they have been the past few years

"No lightweight in the world could go up to 170 and come close to being able to do as well as Sherk. all your Pride heros would be finished by guys like St Pierre in 1. Sherk for a very long time was a top dog there, Ken's performance last night showed he is well above average"

Really? Does the name BJ Penn ring a bell dumbfuck? I would say he has done more than anything Sherk has at 170.

Sherk outside of a cut or injury is not really a finisher. His only way to finish would have been a submission and he was not going to submit a bjj blackbelt. Instead he took him down at will, dominated position and landed elbows on his face at will. To give credit to Florian for not being finished when Sherk rarely finishes top fighters is beyond hilarious

"Loiseau has made a habit of being tentative, and shutting down mentally. It is not a true indication of his skill level, and yes his skill level is clearly on par with Swick as his dominating 3rd round would show."

lol @ that bullshit excuse.

"by the way, you can also go back to that same thread and see my prediction for Silva/Franklin was pretty on, and that whole debate started because of your ridiculous comments about it being a negative that Franklin was dropped by Loiseau, when the reality is, when Loiseau explodes and connects he can drop if not finish anyone in that division."

Actually you should go back and read up on the thread because you clearly suffer from delusions. You were the one claiming that Loiseau is a top striker and his fundamentals were good. Now you are changing it into "well if he "explodes" then he can finish anyone"

I did claim Franklins standup is overrated and he had never fought a legit striker like Silva before. And Loiseau was never on that level. I also said Swick would outstrike him and he did. Now you make some bullshit excuse about Loiseau not being mentally prepared.