Ken Florian at lightweight

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"Well firstly minimal punishment is just your delusional opinion. Everyone else saw Kenny get his ass handed to him. And average fighters do last with Sean Sherk. Case in point Ryuki Uyeama with an amazing 6-8 record. Yupp that Sherk is a smashing machine alright. I never considered him top 3 the past few years. Maybe back when BJ and GSP was not in the UFC. But they have been the past few years"

minimal punishment is correct. Florian was never in any overwhelming danger. that isn't opinion, that is reality.

"Really? Does the name BJ Penn ring a bell dumbfuck? I would say he has done more than anything Sherk has at 170."

BJ Penn is not a lightweight anymore, dumbfuck, and hasn't been in quite some time, dumb fuck. I'm talking current lightweights, who actually fight at lightweight, and no, there is not one who could do more than Sherk at 170. hard to follow dumfuck?

"Sherk outside of a cut or injury is not really a finisher. His only way to finish would have been a submission and he was not going to submit a bjj blackbelt. Instead he took him down at will, dominated position and landed elbows on his face at will. To give credit to Florian for not being finished when Sherk rarely finishes top fighters is beyond hilarious "

so when pre fight predictions were being made. and everyone was predicting Sherk by death and all that bullshit, let me guess, you were the voice of reason to come there and shed the light that Sherk because of his lack of finishing skills will not be able to finish Florian. Sherk is a whole new fighter at 155, and will show that he is fully capable of finishing more than his fair share, just not Kenny Florian.

"Actually you should go back and read up on the thread because you clearly suffer from delusions. You were the one claiming that Loiseau is a top striker and his fundamentals were good. Now you are changing it into "well if he "explodes" then he can finish anyone"

Actually the first thing I said to your dumbass in realation to Loiseau was that when he explodes that he can pretty much finish anyone. So no this isn't something I've just come up with today. so if anyone is suffering from delusions it is you. Loiseau has in the past shown good fundamentals, that I do not deny, he has also shown that he can be hesitant and inconsistent, and a slow starter for quite some time, yes before the Franklin fight. when he does put his offense together and fight how he is capable of (3rd round beating down Swicks ass) he is a threat to the majority of the division.

"I also said Swick would outstrike him and he did"

Swick was able to outstrike him, until Loiseau decided to strike back, then Swick was on the verge of being finished.

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"minimal punishment is correct. Florian was never any overwhelming danger. that isn't opinion, that is reality"

Then you live in a different reality compared to the rest of the world.

"BJ Penn is not a lightweight anymore, dumbfuck, and hasn't been in quite some time, dumb fuck. I'm talking current lightweights, who actually fight at lightweight, and no, there is not one who could do more than Sherk at 170. hard to follow dumfuck?"

Your exact words were "No lightweight can go up to 170 and do what Sherk did". Well BJ was a lightweight who went up to 170 and did more than Sherk ever did. So again you are wrong but thats nothing unusual considering the retarded shit you post. BTW BJ Penn was scheduled to fight at 155 when he got the offer to fight Hughes again. Dumbfuck

"so when pre fight predictions were being made. and everyone was predicting Sherk by death and all that bullshit, let me guess, you were the voice of reason to come there and shed the light that Sherk because of his lack of finishing skills will not be able to finish Florian. Sherk is a whole new fight at 155, and will show that he is fully capable of finishing more than his fair share, just not Kenny Florian."

I never predicted anything about this fight. But its painfully obvious that if Sherks finishes in the UFC came from Tikis shoulder popping from a slam and a cut stoppage on Radach that he is not exactly the strongest finisher in the game. And his decision win over Uyeama with a 6-8 record pretty much proves it

"Actually the first thing I said to your dumbass in realtion to Loiseau was that when he explodes that he can pretty much finish anyone. So no this isn't something I've just come up with today. so if anyone is suffering from delusions it is you. Loiseau has in the past shown good fundamentals, that I do not deny, he has also shown that he can be hesitant and inconsistent, and a slow starter for quite some time, yes before the Franklin fight. when he does put his offense together and fight how he is capable of (3rd round beating down Swicks ass) he is a threat to the majority of the division."

LOL next you are going to say if the old Loiseau showed up then he would own the 185 lbs division.

"Swick was able to outstrike him, until Loiseau decided to strike back, then Swick was on the verge of being finished."

Actually Swick outstruck him until he gassed giving Loiseau the chance to strike back. Wich kinda surprised me. I thought he would have put on his running shoes and ran 5 laps

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"Then you live in a different reality compared to the rest of the world."

I've seen quite a few who share my opinion, so no most definitely not alone on this one.

"Your exact words were "No lightweight can go up to 170 and do what Sherk did".

Yes, as in no lightweight, fighting at lightweight currently. If you have chosen to misunderstand me, and pretend in your fucked up world that I meant no lightweight EVER could do what Sherk did, than that is your problem, not mine, but I would appreciate you not wasting my time on things you are very unsure on.

"BTW BJ Penn was scheduled to fight at 155 when he got the offer to fight Hughes again. Dumbfuck"

still hasn't fought at lightweight in quite some time, is not classified as a light weight at the moment, dumb fuck.

"LOL next you are going to say if the old Loiseau showed up then he would own the 185 lbs division"

No, just Mike Swick.

"Actually Swick outstruck him until he gassed giving Loiseau the chance to strike back. Wich kinda surprised me. I thought he would have put on his running shoes and ran 5 laps"

gassed? how the fuck did he gas. even when Loiseau did nothing Swick hardly did anything either. bullshit he gassed, he just got his ass flat out whooped for a round.

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i was impressed by both fighters last night, but kenny needs to learn to follow the rules and not grab the fence.. that was complete bullshit

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"I've seen quite a few who share my opinion, so no most definitely not alone on this one."

Dont kid yourself. Your not the only retard on this forum

"Yes, as in no lightweight, fighting at lightweight currently. If you have chosen to misunderstand me, and pretend in your fucked up world that I meant no lightweight EVER could do what Sherk did, than that is your problem, not mine, but I would appreciate you not wasting my time on things you are very unsure on."

I didnt misunderstand you. You are dicktucking. Regardless im pretty sure a LW can move up to 170 and survive a decision if Matt Hughes doesnt train for the fight at all. And im pretty sure they would get finished by GSP aswell. And beating Tiki Ghosen and Benji Radach would not be that hard of a task

"No, just Mike Swick."

lol you dont get that by saying "if the old Loiseau showed up" you are pretty much jockriding him the way people jockride Vitor Belfort.

"gassed? how the fuck did he gas. even when Loiseau did nothing Swick hardly did anything either. bullshit he gassed, he just got his ass flat out whooped for a round."

lollol so saying "loiseau was just not mentally there" is a valid excuse but Swick punching and kicking him for 2 rounds and gassing is not?

Seriously you cant be more of a dickrider than you already are

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'didnt misunderstand you. You are dicktucking. Regardless im pretty sure a LW can move up to 170 and survive a decision if Matt Hughes doesnt train for the fight at all. And im pretty sure they would get finished by GSP aswell. And beating Tiki Ghosen and Benji Radach would not be that hard of a task"

yeah, you did, no dick tuck here. why would I need to dick tuck on something I didn't say, but you wanted me to say to strengthen your arguement. In otherwords you arguement is not strong enough, I dont leave you enough holes, you try and create them yourself. sad, sad little man you are.

"lol you dont get that by saying "if the old Loiseau showed up" you are pretty much jockriding him the way people jockride Vitor Belfort."

Frankly, regardless of what I just said. The old Loiseau didn't need to show up to whoop Swicks ass, just the Loiseau who showed up in the 3rd round.

If Swick was seriously gassed from that, a very uneventful 2 rounds, a title shot should be the furthest thing away from his mind.

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"Well BJ was a lightweight who went up to 170 and did more than Sherk ever did. "

Really, he amassed a better than 30-2 record at 170? Because I thought he was 2-2 at that weight, with one of those wins being over Bang Ludwig.

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"The fight with Karalexis was on the fence, Ken-elbow was having rectum handed to him and he threw a BLIND( his eyes were completely shut!) elbow! Pure luck it landed and where it did to stop the fight. Alex was cut and Kenny ran away to allow the ref to see it. Is that the elite fighter we should bow down to? "

amazing, he won fights with blind elbows TWICE! he must be the luckiest man in the world! he should quit fighting and just play the lottery.

that elbow is 100% mark dellagrotte/sityodtong. they train it for EXACTLY those circumstance.

mark flurries at you with the focus mits (like a fighter that is trying to finish you). you cover up, and when you feel a hook hit, you throw a quick short inside elbow from the SAME side. you know there is nothing coming or blocking on that side, because you can feel the glove on your arm/shoulder.

you don't even need to have your eyes open, he trains you to just feel when the guys opens up for that.

and he teaches a special way to throw the elbow that RIPS people open.

no luck involved, just hard work with a good trainer.

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ROFLMAO, Thats all Mark and Sitydong? LMAO please, it's Muay Thai 101 and it's nothing secret if you study at a legit school.

In Thailand Elbows are not scored in the same aspect as the knee, kick, and punches.

There is nothing special about what Kenny does with his elbows or what Mark has taught him.

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anyone who watched franklin/silva fight should realize there is a HUGE difference in quality of MT training from trainer to trainer, especially in the US. there are a lot of subleties that most instructors just don't know/teach.

franklin THOUGHT he knew "MT 101" and was probably easily breaking the clinches of the "MT" fighters in his gym. but when he tried those moves against someone who could really the use thai clinch, he couldn't make any of them work.

it really pays to have a guys who REALLY knows his thai.

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"ROFLMAO, Thats all Mark and Sitydong? LMAO please, it's Muay Thai 101 and it's nothing secret if you study at a legit school.

There is nothing special about what Kenny does with his elbows or what Mark has taught him"

then why is kenny repeatedly stopping people with it, even in the big leagues?

elbows are a high art - how often do you see trainers doing that drill i described? it turns fights around. it's a lot more than just "throwing a hook with your elbow". how come florian is one of the few guys consistently cutting guys when they're really going off on him?