Khabib: Always rely on Allah

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colubrid1 -
hyperfire - 

Allah is the Arabic name for God. So any true Christian wouldn’t commit blasphemy.

Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet, not God himself. They believe Mohammed is the final prophet. 

Islam obviously believes in answering for sins. Both in this life and the next. Repentance is a must in Islam as well.

repentance alone does not save you.

Try using that in a court of law. Sorry judge I raped the girl and cut her throat and I am really sorry and I won’t do it again.

Exactly. Repentance alone does not save you.

Islam has punishments in this life and the next for sins. 

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Ithink I like Jon Jones more than Khabib

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hyperfire - 
colubrid1 -
hyperfire - 

Allah is the Arabic name for God. So any true Christian wouldn’t commit blasphemy.

Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet, not God himself. They believe Mohammed is the final prophet. 

Islam obviously believes in answering for sins. Both in this life and the next. Repentance is a must in Islam as well.

repentance alone does not save you.

Try using that in a court of law. Sorry judge I raped the girl and cut her throat and I am really sorry and I won’t do it again.

Exactly. Repentance alone does not save you.

Islam has punishments in this life and the next for sins. 

Two cheeks of the same ass.

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In the end...    Muslims worship a pedophile, and their teachings encourage hate and violence.

Period.

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cantuna4u -

In the end...    Muslims worship a pedophile, and their teachings encourage hate and violence.

Period.

In the end, the ignorant will always spew nonsense.

Islam is worship of 1 God. They don’t worship Prophets.

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Herring in a Fur Coat - (works every time!)

Of course it does.

But once in a while.

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hyperfire - 
cantuna4u -

In the end...    Muslims worship a pedophile, and their teachings encourage hate and violence.

Period.

In the end, the ignorant will always spew nonsense.

Islam is worship of 1 God. They don’t worship Prophets.

Jesus was not a prophet.

He claimed to be the Son of God and one with Him. By

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Herring in a Fur Coat - 
colubrid1 - 
hyperfire - 

Allah is the Arabic name for God. So any true Christian wouldn’t commit blasphemy.

Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet, not God himself. They believe Mohammed is the final prophet. 

Islam obviously believes in answering for sins. Both in this life and the next. Repentance is a must in Islam as well.

repentance alone does not save you.

Try using that in a court of law. Sorry judge I raped the girl and cut her throat and I am really sorry and I won’t do it again.

Try using Jesus in a court of law.

“Your honor, I raped the girl and cut her throat but I accept Jesus as my Lord and savior!”

consequences in this life won’t get yu off in a court of mans law. I was referring to your physical death (which is the areesting agent) and then facing a Holy God for judgement.

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Tim Duncan - 

I love seeing him fight but I dont like anything else about him

Pretty much this!

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hyperfire - 
cantuna4u -

In the end...    Muslims worship a pedophile, and their teachings encourage hate and violence.

Period.

In the end, the ignorant will always spew nonsense.

Islam is worship of 1 God. They don’t worship Prophets.

Yeah. So if you would simply do an image of that last prophet, then you deserve DEATH. But hey, that’s not actually worshiping him as a God so it’s fairly mild, right?

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colubrid1 - Alllah won't save you from your sins. And trying to be a good person by bribing God is what most all religions teach.

The only single one belief is trusting in the one God who paid the fine for us who repent and trust in Jesus Christ. The finished work of Jesus Christ … When He hung on the cross he said " IT IS FINISHED". That was a legal work done by God Himself to pay the dept we all have. All people are heading to hell. You don’t go to hell if you never heard of Christ. But you do go to hell for what YOU DO know. No man is without excuse when they face a Holy God. We are all liars, thieves (stolen something irrgardless of its value), used Gods name in vain in place of a fith cuss word. Fornicated, commited adultery in our hearts (pornography) and we violate all 10 commandments… which are called the moral law. Muslims are just as lost as anyone. if you ask them what you need to do to get to heaven. They don’t have an answer except “be a good person” and “do good works”. Sad really because muslims like to talk and hard to have a decent civil debate with them.

The best part of this entire post is, Jesus most likely was not an actual historical person.

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According to who?

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cantuna4u -

In the end...    Muslims worship a pedophile, and their teachings encourage hate and violence.

Period.

The problem is, it wasn't considered pedophilia then. That's a societal norm that changed between 600 and the late 19th century. 

Except, you know, it's still legal to marry children in several, heavily religious, US states.

Just to give you a taste.

In April 2019, Arkansas raised the minimum marriage age for girls from 16 to 17 with parental consent, to be in line with that of boys. Previously, there was no minimum age for a pregnant girl to marry.

In 2003, Alabama raised the minimum marriage age (ie: with exceptions) from 14 to 16.

"Tina, who spoke to news.com.au on the condition only her first name was published, was just 13 years old when she fell pregnant to a 33-year-old man. But instead of the man being charged with statutory rape, he was granted a license to marry her that same year, in Louisville, Kentucky. Tina spent the next decade in an abusive relationship with her husband."

In many states in the US, if a girl is pregnent, the parents can give consent for her to be married to her rapist, at which point, you know, 12-13-14 year old girls are forced, against their consent, to marry a sexual predator, who then gets to rape them whenever they want, legally.

Most of these occur on religious *CHRISTIAN* grounds. 

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Bereal - According to who?

Any historian who isn't terrified of being blackballed for speaking out against the idea that Jesus lived.

Here is how professional historians are supposed to work. It's basically the historian version of the scientific method. You find primary sources. Primary sources are essentially first hand, contemporaneous accounts of something. Primary source of the battle of gettysburg, would be someone who fought in, or observed it. To create a historical concensus about something, you typically gather lots of primary sources regarding a topic, and then sift through them. Oh, this guy was a confederate soldier at Gettysburg? Ok, well we should note that he was a confederate when we evaluate this source, because there could be bias. Oh this guy was Union? Same thing. Then you cross examine each and every individual source with every other source. You look for contradictions, you look for concensus.

Jesus? There is exactly ZERO primary source evidence for the existence of Jesus. ZERO. The nearest people to write about him, occured 1 generation after he was supposed to have lived. There are no records or mentions of him in Roman history from contemporaneous sources. 

Modern historians basically suspend their own value system when it comes to Jesus. People accept that he was a real person, without actually subjecting his existence to the level of scrutiny any other historical figure/person/event would face. 

I suspect, that most historians that are not personally invested in the abrahamic religions, secretly have their own questions about it. However, if you're a historian, or a professor at say Harvard, if you were to publically express those doubts, you'd lose your job. 

I'm not saying Jesus wasn't a historical person, what I am saying is, there is absolutely zero fucking non-biased source material that can verify his existence when he was alive. The only source material, is secondary and tertiary, written after the fact, when his existence was already sworn on by the people who were creating the religion and taken for granted by the population at large. For such an important individual, there should be, SHOULD be, some actual contemporaneous references to him. The bible doesn't count, nor was it written when he was alive. It's not a legitimate source for this.

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Osbot - 
Bereal - According to who?

Any historian who isn't terrified of being blackballed for speaking out against the idea that Jesus lived.

Here is how professional historians are supposed to work. It's basically the historian version of the scientific method. You find primary sources. Primary sources are essentially first hand, contemporaneous accounts of something. Primary source of the battle of gettysburg, would be someone who fought in, or observed it. To create a historical concensus about something, you typically gather lots of primary sources regarding a topic, and then sift through them. Oh, this guy was a confederate soldier at Gettysburg? Ok, well we should note that he was a confederate when we evaluate this source, because there could be bias. Oh this guy was Union? Same thing. Then you cross examine each and every individual source with every other source. You look for contradictions, you look for concensus.

Jesus? There is exactly ZERO primary source evidence for the existence of Jesus. ZERO. The nearest people to write about him, occured 1 generation after he was supposed to have lived. There are no records or mentions of him in Roman history from contemporaneous sources. 

Modern historians basically suspend their own value system when it comes to Jesus. People accept that he was a real person, without actually subjecting his existence to the level of scrutiny any other historical figure/person/event would face. 

I suspect, that most historians that are not personally invested in the abrahamic religions, secretly have their own questions about it. However, if you're a historian, or a professor at say Harvard, if you were to publically express those doubts, you'd lose your job. 

I'm not saying Jesus wasn't a historical person, what I am saying is, there is absolutely zero fucking non-biased source material that can verify his existence when he was alive. The only source material, is secondary and tertiary, written after the fact, when his existence was already sworn on by the people who were creating the religion and taken for granted by the population at large. For such an important individual, there should be, SHOULD be, some actual contemporaneous references to him. The bible doesn't count, nor was it written when he was alive. It's not a legitimate source for this.

Osbot-

I do appreciate your post. It is well-written and the first paragraph is very clear on how the historical process work I have a History degree and teach it as well…so I do get it. The reality is, however, you are off not on your methodology but your facts.

Here is one link that is useful. It isn’t from a biased site. It is simply from history.com. It only takes a few minutes.

As you can see, there is corroboration in Roman records and Jewish records from outside sources other than the Bible that Jesus not only existed, but was seen as a Messiah by early followers.

Secondly, to say ‘the bible doesn’t count’ and is not legitimate is contradicting your own accurate account of proper historical methodology for assessing truth in history.

The 4 gospels were written from eyewitness accounts of Jesus. If you read them (especially the book of Luke), it is filled with detail ranging from specific geographic locations to political leadership that has proven to be correct.

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Osbot - 
Bereal - According to who?

Any historian who isn't terrified of being blackballed for speaking out against the idea that Jesus lived.

Here is how professional historians are supposed to work. It's basically the historian version of the scientific method. You find primary sources. Primary sources are essentially first hand, contemporaneous accounts of something. Primary source of the battle of gettysburg, would be someone who fought in, or observed it. To create a historical concensus about something, you typically gather lots of primary sources regarding a topic, and then sift through them. Oh, this guy was a confederate soldier at Gettysburg? Ok, well we should note that he was a confederate when we evaluate this source, because there could be bias. Oh this guy was Union? Same thing. Then you cross examine each and every individual source with every other source. You look for contradictions, you look for concensus.

Jesus? There is exactly ZERO primary source evidence for the existence of Jesus. ZERO. The nearest people to write about him, occured 1 generation after he was supposed to have lived. There are no records or mentions of him in Roman history from contemporaneous sources. 

Modern historians basically suspend their own value system when it comes to Jesus. People accept that he was a real person, without actually subjecting his existence to the level of scrutiny any other historical figure/person/event would face. 

I suspect, that most historians that are not personally invested in the abrahamic religions, secretly have their own questions about it. However, if you're a historian, or a professor at say Harvard, if you were to publically express those doubts, you'd lose your job. 

I'm not saying Jesus wasn't a historical person, what I am saying is, there is absolutely zero fucking non-biased source material that can verify his existence when he was alive. The only source material, is secondary and tertiary, written after the fact, when his existence was already sworn on by the people who were creating the religion and taken for granted by the population at large. For such an important individual, there should be, SHOULD be, some actual contemporaneous references to him. The bible doesn't count, nor was it written when he was alive. It's not a legitimate source for this.

What year is it?

Since who?

BC means before Christ and AD means after Christ.

So on judgment day how will you do?

Innocent or guilty?

Heaven or hell?

So how can you get saved?

At the moment you are up the Niagra without a paddle. If you die in your sins you will end up in hell.

The bible says all liars have their part in the lake of fire. So you desperatly need a savior and there is only one given.

So if Jesus did not exist you are hopeless and heading for hell.

Do you know why Christ died on the cross? It’s as simple as this… You and I broke the law; (Gods moral law- the 10 commandments), and Jesus paid the fine.

Jesus said " I am the ressursction and the life". “he who believes in me even thou he dies shall live” . My advice to you is get before the Lord , confess and FORSAKE you sins and say to Jesus I need you as my savior. And if He transorms your life and opens your eyes in an instant you will know He is God and you will know “who I say I am”.

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Osbot -
cantuna4u -

In the end...    Muslims worship a pedophile, and their teachings encourage hate and violence.

Period.

The problem is, it wasn't considered pedophilia then. That's a societal norm that changed between 600 and the late 19th century. 

Except, you know, it's still legal to marry children in several, heavily religious, US states.

Just to give you a taste.

In April 2019, Arkansas raised the minimum marriage age for girls from 16 to 17 with parental consent, to be in line with that of boys. Previously, there was no minimum age for a pregnant girl to marry.

In 2003, Alabama raised the minimum marriage age (ie: with exceptions) from 14 to 16.

"Tina, who spoke to news.com.au on the condition only her first name was published, was just 13 years old when she fell pregnant to a 33-year-old man. But instead of the man being charged with statutory rape, he was granted a license to marry her that same year, in Louisville, Kentucky. Tina spent the next decade in an abusive relationship with her husband."

In many states in the US, if a girl is pregnent, the parents can give consent for her to be married to her rapist, at which point, you know, 12-13-14 year old girls are forced, against their consent, to marry a sexual predator, who then gets to rape them whenever they want, legally.

Most of these occur on religious *CHRISTIAN* grounds. 

Yeah. That's gross too.

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go for Jesus (but not for gay Jesus)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZybaBFjNEjQ

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Osbot -
colubrid1 - Alllah won't save you from your sins. And trying to be a good person by bribing God is what most all religions teach.

The only single one belief is trusting in the one God who paid the fine for us who repent and trust in Jesus Christ. The finished work of Jesus Christ … When He hung on the cross he said " IT IS FINISHED". That was a legal work done by God Himself to pay the dept we all have. All people are heading to hell. You don’t go to hell if you never heard of Christ. But you do go to hell for what YOU DO know. No man is without excuse when they face a Holy God. We are all liars, thieves (stolen something irrgardless of its value), used Gods name in vain in place of a fith cuss word. Fornicated, commited adultery in our hearts (pornography) and we violate all 10 commandments… which are called the moral law. Muslims are just as lost as anyone. if you ask them what you need to do to get to heaven. They don’t have an answer except “be a good person” and “do good works”. Sad really because muslims like to talk and hard to have a decent civil debate with them.

 

The best part of this entire post is, Jesus most likely was not an actual historical perso

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Tmaguru -

Fuck Allah.

Agree. And while were at it, fuck Mohammed also.