Khabib's Dad dedicated life to fight terrorism

The dark politics behind McGregor and Khabib’s feud

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNrDAOAdM8g

Karim Zidan is a writer that may have become more popular during the build up to the Khabib Conor fight as the premier subject matter expert on links between MMA and regional ‘strongmen’ (aka dictators). He has written extensively about Ramzan Kadyrov and his links to MMA in the Caucus region where Khabib is from. Kadyrov is a Chechen leader but with Checnya being a close next door neighbor to Dagestan, his influence unsurprisingly extends there as well.

In the interview above on Off the Ball (which sounds like an Irish production?), he talks about how Conor was potentially stroking real life trouble that could have endangered Khabib and his family, talks about how its hard to say no to a strongman like Kadyrov (like a local mafia boss in a small town), and how the UFC definitely played with fire. He also starts the interview by making it clear he absolutely does not condone Khabib’s behavior.

At around 10:30 of that interview (shortcut link below), Karim is asked to expand on the “honor culture” of the region based on its’ patriarchy, religion and importance of the father figure and also more about Khabib’s Dad’s history in the region as well as with grappling and MMA and coaching. Its quite fascinating,

he mentions the challenges of suriving the Chechen war as well as starting grappling clubs (including in his house) to give kids an alternative to Islamic extremist groups.

https://youtu.be/BNrDAOAdM8g?t=629

To add, interesting to note that he is also supported by Putin as a resistance to that same Islamic fundamentalism (a tried and true approach the US gov has used in the same fight as well as Communism in the past - anyone interested in the long list of dictators like Kadyrov the US gov has supported in cases like this can google "Friendly Dictators). Zidan also brought up the hypocrisy in Conor’s linking of Khabib to Kadyrov, in I believe the MMA Hour, when he was chumming up to Putin at the World Cup when Putin is Kadyrov’s benefactor.

He also talks about how Khabib’s dad, Abdulmanap, is also a storied grappling figure as well, having competed or coached in wresatling, judo and sambo and having raised Khabib on the mats. So that he is not only Khabib’s dad, but coach and as youngest son, he is obliged to live with his father until passing. Hard not to see why anyone, honor culture or not, would not take to insults against a father like this too kindly. Business or not. Also, Firas Zahabi has even commented how much of a great MMA mind Abulmanap is having met and shared training thoughts.

Karim Zidan MMA articles

https://www.sbnation.com/users/Karim%20Zidan

All the Champion’s Men: A look at the shady figures linked to UFC champ Khabib Nurmagomedov

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2018/9/21/17886960/ufc-feature-khabib-nurmagomedov-conor-mcgregor-shady-kadyrov-magomedov-abdelaziz-karim-zidan-mma

So Khabib HAS to live with his dad until he dies? 

Even if you like your dad,  that sucks

That’s cool if true, but the problem is how extremely prevalent dangerous beliefs are in the Muslim community that aren’t terrorists. For instance, according to Pew polls there is extremely wide support for shariah law, throwing gays in prison, death to apostates, lack of freedom of speech, etc. A prime example is how Khabib could train with or have on his team someone with a “I’m not Charlie Hebdo” shirt which advertises the belief that murder is an acceptable punishment for cartoons we don’t like.

Here’s the prior interview Karim did on the MMA hour.

I like Khabib's dad. Wish I had a father like him.

He also notes that leaders in that region have taken a liking to getting some limelight in MMA thru sponsorship and gyms etc. While the outrage about Kadyrov has blown up all of a sudden, its been often mentioned that fighters such as Weidman, Werdum, Edgar and even Floyd Mayweather himself have taken up Kadyrov’s patronage and accepted offers to represent at his MMA functions.

While not Kadyrov, the Bahraini Prince, of which the royal family also has been under the spotlight of human rights, had successfully invited one John Kavanagh to have some appearance/involvement in the Prince’s KHK MMA organization of which Khabib was also linked too funny enough.

A spotlight on Bahraini human rights abuses:

http://www.stopwar.org.uk/index.php/news-comment/3014-stop-the-royal-whitewash-of-bahrain-s-appalling-human-rights-record

FatBuddha - That's cool if true, but the problem is how extremely prevalent dangerous beliefs are in the Muslim community that aren't terrorists. For instance, according to Pew polls there is extremely wide support for shariah law, throwing gays in prison, death to apostates, lack of freedom of speech, etc. A prime example is how Khabib could train with or have on his team someone with a "I'm not Charlie Hebdo" shirt which advertises the belief that murder is an acceptable punishment for cartoons we don't like.

While you say this, and I have no reason to believe khabib doesn’t know what the shirt meant.

I could have trained or hung out with that guy and not thought about his shirt for a second. I don’t always read the text on t shirts and it just seems like a plain black shirt.

The message behind it is disgusting though 

shaqitup - 
FatBuddha - That's cool if true, but the problem is how extremely prevalent dangerous beliefs are in the Muslim community that aren't terrorists. For instance, according to Pew polls there is extremely wide support for shariah law, throwing gays in prison, death to apostates, lack of freedom of speech, etc. A prime example is how Khabib could train with or have on his team someone with a "I'm not Charlie Hebdo" shirt which advertises the belief that murder is an acceptable punishment for cartoons we don't like.

While you say this, and I have no reason to believe khabib doesn’t know what the shirt meant.

I could have trained or hung out with that guy and not thought about his shirt for a second. I don’t always read the text on t shirts and it just seems like a plain black shirt.

The message behind it is disgusting though 

That’s fair.

shaqitup - 
FatBuddha - That's cool if true, but the problem is how extremely prevalent dangerous beliefs are in the Muslim community that aren't terrorists. For instance, according to Pew polls there is extremely wide support for shariah law, throwing gays in prison, death to apostates, lack of freedom of speech, etc. A prime example is how Khabib could train with or have on his team someone with a "I'm not Charlie Hebdo" shirt which advertises the belief that murder is an acceptable punishment for cartoons we don't like.

While you say this, and I have no reason to believe khabib doesn’t know what the shirt meant.

I could have trained or hung out with that guy and not thought about his shirt for a second. I don’t always read the text on t shirts and it just seems like a plain black shirt.

The message behind it is disgusting though 

Conflating “I am not Charlie” to supporting the murders is disgusting.

NATO bombed Serbian state television headquarters that killed 16 journalists in 1999. Freedom of speech!

There is no shortage of “I am not Charlie” articles by western writers. None of them were accused of supporting terrorism.

FatBuddha - That's cool if true, but the problem is how extremely prevalent dangerous beliefs are in the Muslim community that aren't terrorists. For instance, according to Pew polls there is extremely wide support for shariah law, throwing gays in prison, death to apostates, lack of freedom of speech, etc. A prime example is how Khabib could train with or have on his team someone with a "I'm not Charlie Hebdo" shirt which advertises the belief that murder is an acceptable punishment for cartoons we don't like.

The American government also has an extensive history of supporting those who “support for shariah law, throwing gays in prison, death to apostates, lack of freedom of speech, etc.” You either aren’t aware of this or intentionally look the other way.

Your president is in the news at this very moment for his relationship with the Saudi royals. You know, the pillars of standing against the things that concern you. The Bush family had a deep relationship with the family. Somehow, Khabib training with a guy who doenst support insults against his religion and having a father who actually fought against terrorism - those guys are the problem.

Trump’s deep business ties with Saudi Arabia under scrutiny as tensions rise

Uh, instead of an abortion debate, how about we turn this back to Khabib’s dad and the interesting Zidan interviews?

Wasa-B - Uh, instead of an abortion debate, how about we turn this back to Khabib's dad and the interesting Zidan interviews?

No. Trying to have a thread stay on course is definitely asking too much. Especially on a Saturday afternoon when all the children are out of school.

Giving youth an alternative to getting involved with militants.

When Khabib was born, how he turned his house into a gym and coached about 15 kids and raised Khabib on the mat, set against the background of the 2nd Chechen war.

FatBuddha - That's cool if true, but the problem is how extremely prevalent dangerous beliefs are in the Muslim community that aren't terrorists. For instance, according to Pew polls there is extremely wide support for shariah law, throwing gays in prison, death to apostates, lack of freedom of speech, etc. A prime example is how Khabib could train with or have on his team someone with a "I'm not Charlie Hebdo" shirt which advertises the belief that murder is an acceptable punishment for cartoons we don't like.

nearly every muslim supports shariah law. go cry in the corner by yourself

Abdulmanap was also apparently a world combat sambo champ himself - this is not to be mistaken for grappling based straight sambo and in which, as a new sport, the comp level is not that high - but never the less, with the grappling and combat sambo experience, you can see how Khabib adopted and adapted the various grappling styles to his methodical positional GNP/subgrapplig game in MMA.

Carogan - 
FatBuddha - That's cool if true, but the problem is how extremely prevalent dangerous beliefs are in the Muslim community that aren't terrorists. For instance, according to Pew polls there is extremely wide support for shariah law, throwing gays in prison, death to apostates, lack of freedom of speech, etc. A prime example is how Khabib could train with or have on his team someone with a "I'm not Charlie Hebdo" shirt which advertises the belief that murder is an acceptable punishment for cartoons we don't like.

And yet they aren't throwing gays in prison and most don't bring death to apostates, etc.

 

There was alot of anti-Hebdo sentiment in the western world too for the cartoons they posted and Hebdo was criticized heavily for continuing to post them.  They posted those cartoons with the intent to be provocative - and they got their wish and got a reaction.

 

Not condoning the Hebdo related attacks at all but people of every nation in the world of every ethnicity or faith have reacted to disrespect like this in a violent manner at some point in history.  You can have freedom of speech without inciting hatred with provacative language.

 

I don't support Shariah law, I don't subscribe to the Islam faith, but I won't hate on them.  I also think alot of misunderstanding occurs between these cultures too due to language translation as well as the economic chasm that exists between the two worlds - its far easier to be righteous when you live in the richest nation in the world and don't have to deal with third world problems that affect every aspect of life including basic survival.

Thank you for a civil debate. I disagree on a number of points though.

For instance, the majority may not actually be throwing gays in prison but they are supporting governments who do. The ones actually doing the murders etc. will always be the minority but if the legal system voted in by the majority doesn’t condemn them, they are also complicit.

I don’t think economics really can be used as an excuse for human rights abuses directly stemming from a harmful belief system especially when countries like Saudi Arabia are amongst the richest in the world.

I don’t think that was the reaction the cartoonists (death to over 200 people) were looking for but trying to inspire social change to a belief system they saw as violent.

We can always say, other cultures have reacted with violence, but we would be dishonest if we didn’t say there were differences in propensity to do so in a certain time and place. There are far more cartoons parodying Jesus than Mohammed for instance and almost 0 violence resulting from the Jesus parodies. On the other hand, from Salem Rushdie’s Satanic Verses and countless other examples it’s pretty blatant that if you criticize Islam, you will get death threats.

I also think not supporting Shariah law doesn’t mean that you have “hate” in your heart against Muslims. Khabib seems to have great things about him for instance. He seems funny as hell, seems like a great and loyal friend, a dutiful son, has a tremendous work ethic, and is a phenomenal fighter. But when I see a picture of him with a bride not allowed to show her face or him hanging out with someone who murders gays, that disturbs me because it makes it more likely that he holds beliefs that are harmful to human rights.

FatBuddha - That's cool if true, but the problem is how extremely prevalent dangerous beliefs are in the Muslim community that aren't terrorists. For instance, according to Pew polls there is extremely wide support for shariah law, throwing gays in prison, death to apostates, lack of freedom of speech, etc. A prime example is how Khabib could train with or have on his team someone with a "I'm not Charlie Hebdo" shirt which advertises the belief that murder is an acceptable punishment for cartoons we don't like.

I think you would find similar beliefs among rural christian communities