look marc beat ryron 7-2 under gracie special rules... they should fight again and this time marc should get to pick the rules... the only way ryron socred was holdign marc in his gaurd... marc got a take down and a pass... hmmm take down and pass vs holding somebody in gaurd for 6 minutes... which one is better jiu jitsu to u.... marc didnt go all out after he was up 7-0 becuase he was up 7 to NOTHING it was up to ryron to do something now ... marc was up... either do something or lose... if he would have done more from his gaurd marc would have passed him again... if he woulda done more from his feet marc would have submitted him... he knew this so he played it safe and kept it close eventually getting the 2 points for being able to hold his gaurd...
lets all go watch the wrestling fight!
That's funny, I was talking to someone who was standing next to Helio when they were arguing about the rules and he told me that Mark wanted the rules changed and refused to fight longer than 20 minutes (the opposite of what people are saying here).
Anyways, I'm sure it was a good match congrats to both guys.
Ryron wasn't super aggressive either. He didn't try any takedowns, passes, or sweeps. He only tried leglocks and out of all the leglocks he tried only one looked tight.
And how does slamming someone from the guard promote submissions?
Ask Rorion, he's the one that wanted slamming.
I wish I'd seen it...
Jackel is correct. If you can't see it, you know nothing about jiu-jitsu.
Laimon let alot of people down! He talked anough shit to at least go out and submit the kid... He disappointed me in this submission match.
This match was really something awesome to see in person. The energy level of the crowd was higher than I've ever seen for a superfight, and the fans packed the gym for this one. Everyone was pretty much on the edge of their seats the whole match.
The Superfight: Marc Laimon vs. Ryron Gracie
In a huge fight, Laimon and Gracie agreed to fight under Gracie Tournament rules- a 20-minute match, points would only count at the end (if there was no submission), and slamming was allowed from the guard. Points were awarded for: 1 point for a takedown, 3 points for side control (whether acheived through a guard pass or from a takedown/sweep), 1 point for a sweep (reversal from the guard), 4 points for mount or rear mount with hooks.
As an interesting variation from normal Grapplers Quest rules, the Gracie rules stated that if one fighter couldn't pass the guard within two minutes, the bottom fighter would be awarded one point and the positions would switch, so that the fighter on the bottom would be on top in the other fighter's guard.
Another variation stated that if there was inactivity on the feet, the referree would stop the match and toss a coin. The winner would choose whether to try to pass the guard, or to defend the guard.
An incredibly packed Durango High School Gym crowd sat on the edge of their seats as Ryron Gracie entered the gym, sporting a T-shirt and board shorts. Ryron historically has fought only with the gi, so this was an interesting twist for fans. Marc Laimon entered and displayed good energy, jumping around and warming up.
Pat "Hawk" Hardy was chosen as head referree, and the match got underway.
Tentative stalking by both guys began for the first minute and a half, with both Laimon and Gracie engaging with cautious aggression. In a fast and technical movement, Laimon caught an arm drag right into a low-single for the takedown, right into side control. The score was 4-0 at this point for Laimon.
Ryron quickly recovered an open guard, and transitioned into a De La Riva-style open guard. Good transitions by both fighters as Laimon worked to pass, Ryron defended well. Ryron scooted his hips under Laimon and went for an ankle lock (a trademark of his brother, Rener), which Laimon defended well. As though an instant replay was playing for the crowd, Ryron again went for the ankle lock, and Laimon once again stepped out of the attack.
Raphael Lovato, Jr coached Laimon on from the side. As two minutes passed with Ryron on his back, the fighters switched positions. Now Laimon would start from his back with Ryron in his guard.
Laimon picked butterfly guard and did something somewhat surprising here: he stood up. At this point in the match, about five minutes had passed. Both fighters squared off and nobody could get any takedowns, so Hawk tossed the coin (see the above stated Gracie rules). Ryron won the coin toss, and selected the top position.
Once again, Laimon chose butterfly guard, and once again he stood up immediately. The fighters went to work on their feet, and there was once again little action, so Hawk tossed the coin once again, and this time Laimon won. He picked the top position.
Ryron elected the closed guard, and as the match began, Laimon picked Ryron up.... and SLAMMED him hard onto the mat. Ryron managed to keep his composure and keep his guard closed. So Laimon once again picked him up and slammed him again, landing with his forearm right in Ryron's throat. This time Ryron opened his gaurd immediately, wary of a third slam. Laimon went to work, and passed the open guard immediately, going to side control for 3 more points.
The score at this point was 7-1 in Laimon's favor. As Ryron worked to recover the guard, Laimon caught an inadvertent Ryron Gracie foot to the crotch. As Laimon writhed in agony, holding his crotch, Gumby from OntheMat.com filmed the agony.
After a three minute pause, the fight resumed on the feet. Laimon appeared to be working a standing cross choke using Ryron's T-shirt, or perhaps just to make space. At any rate, there was not enough action for the referree, so Hawk once again tossed the coin. Ryron won, picked the top position.
This time Laimon did not stand, but attempted a sweep, which looked to be successful... but it was right into Ryron's ankle lock. The ankle lock appeared to be extremely tight, and the crowd tensely leaned forward to cheer on the action. Laimon rolled with the ankle lock, and Gracie rolled with him three or four times... great action. Finally Ryron released the ankle lock, and both fighters stood. After a minute or so with no action, the coin was once again tossed, and Ryron won the toss, picking the top again.
Laimon immediately stood up, Ryron pulled guard, and went right into another footlock from the bottom! This one appeared to be very tight again, but Laimon was able to escape. As Ryron's guard opened up after the escape, Laimon was able to secure both arms under the legs of Ryron and work the guard pass... but instead of attempting to finish the pass, Ryron picked up Gracie and slammed him on his head two times. The slams didn't seem to have nearly as much effect as the earlier closed guard slams. As the two minutes ran out, Ryron was awarded another point, and the positions switched.
The score at this point in the match was 7-2 in favor of Laimon.
Laimon stood up immediately, and after no takedown on the feet, the coin was tossed again, Laimon won and selected the top position. With just 3 minutes left in the match, Laimon stepping away from Ryron's footlock attempts and Ryron attacking, time ticking away, Ryron chose to stand up. After a minute or so of inactivity, Ryron won another coin toss and picked the top position. Laimon picked butterfly guard with just seconds left. Time ran out and Laimon celebrated.
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Laimon played it fairly conservative later in the
match but at the beginning he got the take down passed
the guard pretty quickly. He passed gracies guard a
couple of times through the first part of the match.
Gracie had a couple of leg attacks and seemed to be
in better shape.
I witnessed the gracie clan talking to Cimmins about
changing the rules and they were very disrespectful to Cimmins and acted with absolutely no class. All of his
sons were acting like thugs and talking shit and then
Rorion jumped up and swore and acted worse then his sons.
They could not have come off worse, classless, arrogant asses.
He passed Ryrons guard once. The Gracies may have been adament about getting the right rules, but I doubt they were acting like thugs. I've spent a lot of time of with them and they are far from being "thugs".
Jackel, Fatbuddha, and Your Father are correct!
"I've spent a lot of time of with them and they are far from being "thugs".
wait till the video of the rules metting comes out
This match was a huge dissapointment. I was in the crowd which along with Ryron's ankle lock attempt was the only exciting thing about the match. I was really dissapointed with Marc who after talking a lot of crap about submitting Ryron seemed totally content in staying away from him and riding out his win by points.