Are multiple 10 counts in a boxing match over the course of 10-12 rounds less dangerous than a few extra shots as a fighter is on his way out?
BTW: I called for the banning of that head spiking technique and, unfortunately, since then a young fighter has died because that technique is still allowed........
Haulport is clearly a medical doctor speciallising in closed head trauma. We should all listen to his carefully reasoned opinions on concussions.
no, but the easy way out for him is to pick on your sign up date and post count.
Didn't you know that's what counts here?
duh...
lars_schifinkter - Haulport is clearly a medical doctor speciallising in closed head trauma. We should all listen to his carefully reasoned opinions on concussions.So trauma to a dehydrated brain sounds like a good idea to you? Or a head spiking technique that has resulted in the the paralyzing of a young man? Or continued beating to a boxer who has been dropped and nearly knocked out repeatedly in a fight?
Please join in banning all these dangerous techniques and rules if you feel MMA fights should be stopped at the first sign of trouble.
saemskin - no, but the easy way out for him is to pick on your sign up date and post count.Where have I done that? It is the escape of small minds to try and divert the topic....strawman in is lamest form...
Didn't you know that's what counts here?
duh...
Except no one is calling for the first sign of trouble to be the trigger to stopping a fight. Were talking about intelligent understanding of all factors consistently when considering stopping a match.
You are swinging the pendulum too far in the other direction and degrading the point you are setting out to prove by doing so.
as a viewer i prefer late stoppages
"So are you calling for the banning of Boxing (especially with the INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS 10 count) and weight cutting?"
LMAO ... Haulport it's YOU who is diverting the topic here. My two posts on this thread have been specifically directed to your intial post.
Haulport -Farewell BJ -I'm sorry to hear about your injures but reality is reality. We are not talking about Oleg Taktarov being complete prone and taking HUGE Gary Goodridge shots to the head. We are discussing active, moving fighters taking a few extra shots to give them the opportunity to recover a la Kongo.Haulport - There is a lot of crying about the "late" stoppages from Strikeforces' card last night.I stopped reading when you said that the blows that are considered late won't damage a person any more than normal blows to the head. <br><br><br>The reality is they are more damaging. I have extensive experience with head injuries as I live with severe brain injuries for tfe past 7 years. I think you need to go read up on blows to the headboard an injured brain before making false statements like that. <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
From the fans
From Pat Militech
From King Mo
The reality is that taking a few extra quick shots at the end IS NOT going to kill anyone or damage them permanently ANY MORE than the normal course of the fight. You have Boxing where guys are absorbing INSANE amounts of cumulative punishment on a regular basis. It is in the neighborhood of 1000 times what MMA fighters take. So if you're cool with NFL players getting hit each week and Boxers sparring hard and routinely going 10 rounds in their fights, then you need to relax about 2-3 extra shots to a fighter who is on his way out.
Everyone goes crazy because of how awesome Kongo's KO of Pat Barry was but if the stoppages Pat Militech is in favor of and all of you are crying for, where routinely enforced than that KO would not have happened. Period. The fight would have been called and Kongo would have been upset (and a good chunk of you people would be too) that he didn't get an opportunity to come back even though he was moving.
This is a DANGEROUS sport. Uninformed concern about what damages people and what doesn't damage people is not going to help.
I can tell you this: guys cutting 20-30lbs. 24-48 hours before they get their heads punched repeatedly is WAY more dangerous than late shots. A mildly dehydrated brain bouncing around in your skull is what can REALLY damage fighters. So if you agree with Pat or Mo then please call for the ban of cutting weight first!
Those kind of blows are absolutely no worse than what a boxing routinely goes thru in his career. So if you are against these "late stoppages" than you should call for the ban of boxing and weighting cutting and a host of other issues also. Are any of you ready to do that?
When a fighter is out cold (which is what I am assuming you are using as a late stoppage) the brain has suffered enough trauma to shut down briefly. You honestly think when that happens the blows to the head mean no more tfan the previous ones?
Boxing has nothing to do with late mma stoppages. When a fighter goes down the start the count. The other boxer doesn't grab full mount and pound away. 
LOL. You gentlemen believe that a ten count is enough to somehow reset the brain and make everything ok for a boxer's head to get pounded?
JPet - "So are you calling for the banning of Boxing (especially with the INCREDIBLY DANGEROUS 10 count) and weight cutting?"I am not diverting anything. I am asking you that if you feel that a few "late" shots from an MMA fight are worse than what a boxer or nfl player goes thru. Or if there is more danger in dehydrating your brain and getting hit than there is in a few "late" shots.
LMAO ... Haulport it's YOU who is diverting the topic here. My two posts on this thread have been specifically directed to your intial post.
I ask this to point out the fact that while you are concerned about the "late" shots you are not concerned about just-as-if-not-more-dangerous situations.
If you are just as concerned I'd like to discuss why.
This all plays into my statement that you are disputing: that a few late shots are not any worse than the damage received during a fight, from say, have a badly dehydrated brain (Keith Jardine cut 19lbs. in 24 hours).
Haulport - but you ARE diverting the topic.
Your statement "that a few late shots are not any worse than the damage received during a fight".
This statement is outrageously inaccurate. EVERY shot taken cause some type of damage and late shots typically cause more damage than the same shot received during the fight.
Address THIS as a stand alone statement. Not dehydration, boxing, 10 counts, weight cutting, etc.
I guess you're someone who just can't admit when he is wrong
JPet - Haulport - but you ARE diverting the topic.I'd like to address your statement because it shows you are clearly incapable of arguing a premise and must parse individual statements out of pages of debate to gain a single victory
Your statement "that a few late shots are not any worse than the damage received during a fight".
This statement is outrageously inaccurate. EVERY shot taken cause some type of damage and late shots typically cause more damage than the same shot received during the fight.
Address THIS as a stand alone statement. Not dehydration, boxing, 10 counts, weight cutting, etc.
I guess you're someone who just can't admit when he is wrong
Address THIS as a stand alone statement. Not dehydration, boxing, 10 counts, weight cutting, etc.My singular statement that you keep clinging to the way a man over board clings to a buoy in the middle of the ocean, is absolutely MEANINGLESS to the larger conversation: That a few extra shots at the end of a fight are NOT any worse than a MULTITUDE of potentially damaging and/or disastrous techniques/practices that can happen to a fighter in an MMA fight and it is not as dangerous as a host of other sports and the events in/around them.
And I can assure you that (and please check with your neurologist and ask) a fighter who has seriously dehydrated himself, putting a terrible strain on his body and diminishing the fluids in and around his brain, is taking much worse punishment standing and fighting 3-5 rounds than a well hydrated fighter who takes a few shots after he seems to have had enough (and, again, we are not talking about getting smashed will completely unconscious and prone on the mat). MANY of the fights that have resulted in a boxer's death (like Benn/McClellan) have not been the result of blows after a fighter is "out". They are the result of repeated trauma where a fighter KEEPS FIGHTING for rounds and rounds.
So ten counts, dehydration, the kind of paralyzing brutal hits that NFL players take and the incredibly dangerous spiking techniques are what cause FAR more damage than any "late" stoppage can cause. Do you dispute that? Because THAT is the spirit of this conversation.
" This statement is outrageously inaccurate. EVERY shot taken cause some type of damage and late shots typically cause more damage than the same shot received during the fight."
Do you have evidence supporting the claim that, say, 3-10 punches received by a dazed, downed opponent do, in themselves, more physical injury than 50-100 punches, kicks, and knees received over the regular course of a fight?
JPet - "The reality is that taking a few extra quick shots at the end IS NOT going to kill anyone or damage them permanently ANY MORE than the normal course of the fight"
This is a ridiculous statement. Out cold with your head flat on the mat with a Lesnar type fighter dropping hammer fists WILL cause more damage than the normal course of the fight up to that point with the possibility of permanent damage or death
Aaaaaaaaand....
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lol @ OP not realizing that getting smashed into the mat while you're completely unconcious is a completely different thing than "the course of the fight". Wtf does that mean?
orcus and haulport
I can say unequivically that
53 punches cause MORE damage than the same FIRST 50 punches
and
110 punches cause MORE damage than the same first 100 punches
You don't have to be a genius to understand THIS !!!!!
haulport - do you dispute this ???? LOL
JPet - orcus and haulportNow you are being silly. Do you want to discuss the issue? I directly answered your question, are you will to do the same for me?
I can say unequivically that
53 punches cause MORE damage than the same FIRST 50 punches
and
110 punches cause MORE damage than the same first 100 punches
You don't have to be a genius to understand THIS !!!!!
haulport - do you dispute this ???? LOL
this is one of the sillier threads ive read
JPet - "The reality is that taking a few extra quick shots at the end IS NOT going to kill anyone or damage them permanently ANY MORE than the normal course of the fight"
This is a ridiculous statement. Out cold with your head flat on the mat with a Lesnar type fighter dropping hammer fists WILL cause more damage than the normal course of the fight up to that point with the possibility of permanent damage or death
Lol at some of the stuff Haulport spews