http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/12/14/13951878/live-chat-cyborg-and-ufc-208-ufc-206-results-ufc-on-fox-22-preview
starts at 24:45
Pretty much hits on all points from all angles. Worth a listen
I don't have time to listen right now, but just gonna comment that I believe that they made this division for Ronda. If ROnda wins, she will fight the 145 champion for the belt right away. They want to give her the Conor 2 division champion treatment. I don't know if they came up with it on their own, or if Ronda begged for it, and got it like a spoiled little brat. But this will happen.
If she wins, I bet she retires with 2 belts and ducks Cyborg.
Hope I'm wrong.
ufc98newb -Don't you think it would be easier and more beneficial in the long run to create a 125 div? If she is currently as light as reported she could cut to 125. Ronda is an ideal opponent for Holly. Holly shines against fighters who come forward.I don't have time to listen right now, but just gonna comment that I believe that they made this division for Ronda. If ROnda wins, she will fight the 145 champion for the belt right away. They want to give her the Conor 2 division champion treatment. I don't know if they came up with it on their own, or if Ronda begged for it, and got it like a spoiled little brat. But this will happen.
If she wins, I bet she retires with 2 belts and ducks Cyborg.
Hope I'm wrong.
If they only caredvabout RR winning 2 belts, that is how they would do it.
I think Luke is awesome but he has a deep hatred towards Dana. I'll still listen because I respect him a hell of a lot.
That's cause Dana is a piece of shit
Standup29 -I don't believe she's as light as reported.ufc98newb -Don't you think it would be easier and more beneficial in the long run to create a 125 div? If she is currently as light as reported she could cut to 125. Ronda is an ideal opponent for Holly. Holly shines against fighters who come forward.I don't have time to listen right now, but just gonna comment that I believe that they made this division for Ronda. If ROnda wins, she will fight the 145 champion for the belt right away. They want to give her the Conor 2 division champion treatment. I don't know if they came up with it on their own, or if Ronda begged for it, and got it like a spoiled little brat. But this will happen.
If she wins, I bet she retires with 2 belts and ducks Cyborg.
Hope I'm wrong.
If they only caredvabout RR winning 2 belts, that is how they would do it.
Hell of a coincidence that she'd be "BETTER THAN SHE'S EVER BEEN BEFORE" for her comeback.
Very good discussion 24:45 to 39.
Worth the listen.
Basically Luke's take: Cyborg is a draw. Cyborg needs to get healthy, that she went through extraordinary lengths to make 140, that she should have been the first to fight in the 145 division. However, WWE-IMG/UFC has a lot of debt and has to make money on their Feb PPV and couldn't wait for Cyborg.
Shouldn't claim Cyborg is juicing based on eyeball test, as that is a judgment that USADA is not working. Need to let USADA play its role.
What he didn't say is, what I think is, now that she has nearly died at 140, Cyborg should stop calling out Ronda to fight at 145. It's Ronda's choice whether to fight at 135 or 145. Cyborg should respect that Ronda is a natural 135, that she herself, is a natural 145. It's not fair for Ronda to give her that much advantage.
Outlaw'd by Lytle -Remember when Luke made that fighter pay video? That really fucked him from getting back on Danas good side.I think Luke is awesome but he has a deep hatred towards Dana. I'll still listen because I respect him a hell of a lot.
Lulz McGee -What do you mean? It would be a coincidence that she is better than ever and lighter?Standup29 -I don't believe she's as light as reported.ufc98newb -Don't you think it would be easier and more beneficial in the long run to create a 125 div? If she is currently as light as reported she could cut to 125. Ronda is an ideal opponent for Holly. Holly shines against fighters who come forward.I don't have time to listen right now, but just gonna comment that I believe that they made this division for Ronda. If ROnda wins, she will fight the 145 champion for the belt right away. They want to give her the Conor 2 division champion treatment. I don't know if they came up with it on their own, or if Ronda begged for it, and got it like a spoiled little brat. But this will happen.
If she wins, I bet she retires with 2 belts and ducks Cyborg.
Hope I'm wrong.
If they only caredvabout RR winning 2 belts, that is how they would do it.
Hell of a coincidence that she'd be "BETTER THAN SHE'S EVER BEEN BEFORE" for her comeback.
blueberrycoconutmilk -Going to have a listen. To date I have disagreed with his take because there never seems to be much onus on Cris to manage her mass outside of camp. He seems to take the stance that it is a joke to think she could simply lose the muscle. He doesn't discuss that she has added at least 10 poinds to her frame since being signed by Zuffa.Very good discussion 24:45 to 39.
Worth the listen.
Basically Luke's take: Cyborg is a draw. Cyborg needs to get healthy, that she went through extraordinary lengths to make 140, that she should have been the first to fight in the 145 division. However, WWE-IMG/UFC has a lot of debt and has to make money on their Feb PPV and couldn't wait for Cyborg.
Shouldn't claim Cyborg is juicing based on eyeball test, as that is a judgment that USADA is not working. Need to let USADA play its role.
What he didn't say is, what I think is, now that she has nearly died at 140, Cyborg should stop calling out Ronda to fight at 145. It's Ronda's choice whether to fight at 135 or 145. Cyborg should respect that Ronda is a natural 135, that she herself, is a natural 145. It's not fair for Ronda to give her that much advantage.
The simply truth is Cris is as big and muscular as she is because she choses to be. If her goal was to evwr get down to the size of a large muscular 135er she could have. Muscle has to be fed and stimulated to be maintained. Anybody who has ever added 10 pounds of quality muscle know it takes work to keep it.
I wish someone would actually have a debate with Luke on this. He scoffs at the notion it is some conspiracy theory to have her drop mass. The simple question he needs to answer is if he thinks her muscle is permanent and if he thinks the mass she has gained since signing with Zuffa are a factor in her deathly weight cuts.
Standup29 -blueberrycoconutmilk -Going to have a listen. To date I have disagreed with his take because there never seems to be much onus on Cris to manage her mass outside of camp. He seems to take the stance that it is a joke to think she could simply lose the muscle. He doesn't discuss that she has added at least 10 poinds to her frame since being signed by Zuffa.Very good discussion 24:45 to 39.
Worth the listen.
Basically Luke's take: Cyborg is a draw. Cyborg needs to get healthy, that she went through extraordinary lengths to make 140, that she should have been the first to fight in the 145 division. However, WWE-IMG/UFC has a lot of debt and has to make money on their Feb PPV and couldn't wait for Cyborg.
Shouldn't claim Cyborg is juicing based on eyeball test, as that is a judgment that USADA is not working. Need to let USADA play its role.
What he didn't say is, what I think is, now that she has nearly died at 140, Cyborg should stop calling out Ronda to fight at 145. It's Ronda's choice whether to fight at 135 or 145. Cyborg should respect that Ronda is a natural 135, that she herself, is a natural 145. It's not fair for Ronda to give her that much advantage.
The simply truth is Cris is as big and muscular as she is because she choses to be. If her goal was to evwr get down to the size of a large muscular 135er she could have. Muscle has to be fed and stimulated to be maintained. Anybody who has ever added 10 pounds of quality muscle know it takes work to keep it.
I wish someone would actually have a debate with Luke on this. He scoffs at the notion it is some conspiracy theory to have her drop mass. The simple question he needs to answer is if he thinks her muscle is permanent and if he thinks the mass she has gained since signing with Zuffa are a factor in her deathly weight cuts.
Maybe she has a permanently bigger frame after steroid use.
We only know that recently, cutting to 140 was "not healthy" for her.
I agree with you - good point, Luke did not discuss whether she was starting with too much muscle and weight between camps.
I don't think anyone who is a natural 135 should fight her.
Listened to it and it was as expected. Any notion that Cris can lose muscle is brushed off as body shaming and clearly not possible.
He doesn't bring up that she gained 10ish pounds since being signed to Zuffa and asking for her release instead of fighting Rousey at 135. The relevance is that her cut to 140 was so brutal because she can't possibly lose any mass before entering camp is nonesense. She could have had easier cuts to not onlyb140 but also 145 had she not decided to gain muscle instead of dropping some or just maintaining.
Cris's mental crutch of being significantly larger than her opponents is hurting her career. It has cost her a shot at 135 and it has now prevented her from being the first WFW champ in the UFC. Think of how much bigger her legacy and bank account would be if she didn't believe she needs to be the size she is now.
big daddy yum yums - A caller mentioned the idea if Holm wins.. Holly vs cyborg coach TUF introducing 145 pound fighters.. makes senseThis is a great idea.
If there were 100 million dollars sitting in a storage bin and Cyborg could only open it and keep the money if she weighed 135, I'll bet those big muscles go away so fast it would make your head spin.
blueberrycoconutmilk -It could be her frame is permanently changed. My issue is after she was caught and then returning to MMA, Tito had his press conference and she was 163 I think or somewhere around it. Now she is well over 170 and more ripped. That wasn't from steroids she took before she was caught.Standup29 -blueberrycoconutmilk -Going to have a listen. To date I have disagreed with his take because there never seems to be much onus on Cris to manage her mass outside of camp. He seems to take the stance that it is a joke to think she could simply lose the muscle. He doesn't discuss that she has added at least 10 poinds to her frame since being signed by Zuffa.Very good discussion 24:45 to 39.
Worth the listen.
Basically Luke's take: Cyborg is a draw. Cyborg needs to get healthy, that she went through extraordinary lengths to make 140, that she should have been the first to fight in the 145 division. However, WWE-IMG/UFC has a lot of debt and has to make money on their Feb PPV and couldn't wait for Cyborg.
Shouldn't claim Cyborg is juicing based on eyeball test, as that is a judgment that USADA is not working. Need to let USADA play its role.
What he didn't say is, what I think is, now that she has nearly died at 140, Cyborg should stop calling out Ronda to fight at 145. It's Ronda's choice whether to fight at 135 or 145. Cyborg should respect that Ronda is a natural 135, that she herself, is a natural 145. It's not fair for Ronda to give her that much advantage.
The simply truth is Cris is as big and muscular as she is because she choses to be. If her goal was to evwr get down to the size of a large muscular 135er she could have. Muscle has to be fed and stimulated to be maintained. Anybody who has ever added 10 pounds of quality muscle know it takes work to keep it.
I wish someone would actually have a debate with Luke on this. He scoffs at the notion it is some conspiracy theory to have her drop mass. The simple question he needs to answer is if he thinks her muscle is permanent and if he thinks the mass she has gained since signing with Zuffa are a factor in her deathly weight cuts.Maybe she has a permanently bigger frame after steroid use.
We only know that recently, cutting to 140 was "not healthy" for her.
I agree with you - good point, Luke did not discuss whether she was starting with too much muscle and weight between camps.
I don't think anyone who is a natural 135 should fight her.
That is what Luke never addresses. She has gotten bigger while "trying" to make 135.
Standup29 -blueberrycoconutmilk -It could be her frame is permanently changed. My issue is after she was caught and then returning to MMA, Tito had his press conference and she was 163 I think or somewhere around it. Now she is well over 170 and more ripped. That wasn't from steroids she took before she was caught.Standup29 -blueberrycoconutmilk -Going to have a listen. To date I have disagreed with his take because there never seems to be much onus on Cris to manage her mass outside of camp. He seems to take the stance that it is a joke to think she could simply lose the muscle. He doesn't discuss that she has added at least 10 poinds to her frame since being signed by Zuffa.Very good discussion 24:45 to 39.
Worth the listen.
Basically Luke's take: Cyborg is a draw. Cyborg needs to get healthy, that she went through extraordinary lengths to make 140, that she should have been the first to fight in the 145 division. However, WWE-IMG/UFC has a lot of debt and has to make money on their Feb PPV and couldn't wait for Cyborg.
Shouldn't claim Cyborg is juicing based on eyeball test, as that is a judgment that USADA is not working. Need to let USADA play its role.
What he didn't say is, what I think is, now that she has nearly died at 140, Cyborg should stop calling out Ronda to fight at 145. It's Ronda's choice whether to fight at 135 or 145. Cyborg should respect that Ronda is a natural 135, that she herself, is a natural 145. It's not fair for Ronda to give her that much advantage.
The simply truth is Cris is as big and muscular as she is because she choses to be. If her goal was to evwr get down to the size of a large muscular 135er she could have. Muscle has to be fed and stimulated to be maintained. Anybody who has ever added 10 pounds of quality muscle know it takes work to keep it.
I wish someone would actually have a debate with Luke on this. He scoffs at the notion it is some conspiracy theory to have her drop mass. The simple question he needs to answer is if he thinks her muscle is permanent and if he thinks the mass she has gained since signing with Zuffa are a factor in her deathly weight cuts.Maybe she has a permanently bigger frame after steroid use.
We only know that recently, cutting to 140 was "not healthy" for her.
I agree with you - good point, Luke did not discuss whether she was starting with too much muscle and weight between camps.
I don't think anyone who is a natural 135 should fight her.
That is what Luke never addresses. She has gotten bigger while "trying" to make 135.
I think anybody fighting Cyborg should refuse a fight in Brazil. Let USADA do its job legitimately.
If she weighs upwards of 170 it is not fair to let her fight any of the women on the roster. I doubt any of them ever come close to being that big. I'd rather see her fight Gabi Garcia.
blueberrycoconutmilk -Very good discussion 24:45 to 39.
Worth the listen.
Basically Luke's take: Cyborg is a draw. Cyborg needs to get healthy, that she went through extraordinary lengths to make 140, that she should have been the first to fight in the 145 division. However, WWE-IMG/UFC has a lot of debt and has to make money on their Feb PPV and couldn't wait for Cyborg.
Shouldn't claim Cyborg is juicing based on eyeball test, as that is a judgment that USADA is not working. Need to let USADA play its role.
What he didn't say is, what I think is, now that she has nearly died at 140, Cyborg should stop calling out Ronda to fight at 145. It's Ronda's choice whether to fight at 135 or 145. Cyborg should respect that Ronda is a natural 135, that she herself, is a natural 145. It's not fair for Ronda to give her that much advantage.
a "natural" 145? whahahahahhahaha
ufc98newb -I don't have time to listen right now, but just gonna comment that I believe that they made this division for Ronda. If ROnda wins, she will fight the 145 champion for the belt right away. They want to give her the Conor 2 division champion treatment. I don't know if they came up with it on their own, or if Ronda begged for it, and got it like a spoiled little brat. But this will happen.
If she wins, I bet she retires with 2 belts and ducks Cyborg.
Hope I'm wrong.
Then better hope Amanda completely wrecks her.
worstcasescenario -Standup29 -blueberrycoconutmilk -It could be her frame is permanently changed. My issue is after she was caught and then returning to MMA, Tito had his press conference and she was 163 I think or somewhere around it. Now she is well over 170 and more ripped. That wasn't from steroids she took before she was caught.Standup29 -blueberrycoconutmilk -Going to have a listen. To date I have disagreed with his take because there never seems to be much onus on Cris to manage her mass outside of camp. He seems to take the stance that it is a joke to think she could simply lose the muscle. He doesn't discuss that she has added at least 10 poinds to her frame since being signed by Zuffa.Very good discussion 24:45 to 39.
Worth the listen.
Basically Luke's take: Cyborg is a draw. Cyborg needs to get healthy, that she went through extraordinary lengths to make 140, that she should have been the first to fight in the 145 division. However, WWE-IMG/UFC has a lot of debt and has to make money on their Feb PPV and couldn't wait for Cyborg.
Shouldn't claim Cyborg is juicing based on eyeball test, as that is a judgment that USADA is not working. Need to let USADA play its role.
What he didn't say is, what I think is, now that she has nearly died at 140, Cyborg should stop calling out Ronda to fight at 145. It's Ronda's choice whether to fight at 135 or 145. Cyborg should respect that Ronda is a natural 135, that she herself, is a natural 145. It's not fair for Ronda to give her that much advantage.
The simply truth is Cris is as big and muscular as she is because she choses to be. If her goal was to evwr get down to the size of a large muscular 135er she could have. Muscle has to be fed and stimulated to be maintained. Anybody who has ever added 10 pounds of quality muscle know it takes work to keep it.
I wish someone would actually have a debate with Luke on this. He scoffs at the notion it is some conspiracy theory to have her drop mass. The simple question he needs to answer is if he thinks her muscle is permanent and if he thinks the mass she has gained since signing with Zuffa are a factor in her deathly weight cuts.Maybe she has a permanently bigger frame after steroid use.
We only know that recently, cutting to 140 was "not healthy" for her.
I agree with you - good point, Luke did not discuss whether she was starting with too much muscle and weight between camps.
I don't think anyone who is a natural 135 should fight her.
That is what Luke never addresses. She has gotten bigger while "trying" to make 135.
yea, Tito had her weigh in at 163 at the presser and explained that was her walking weight, less than a year later she posted on IG a pic of her running in Thailand with absolutely shredded abs saying she was somehwere in the high 170's
I remember that pic, but she hasn't been caught by USADA.
So that's why a fighter shouldn't accept a fight with her in Brazil.