Lytes Out - Deep Dive: UFC 1 Series: Ken "TWMDM" Shamrock

Wrist stability but not protecting the hands.
Significant difference.

And definitely less tape than the totality of the Gracie kimono, lol.

Remember that Ken was discussing the rules meeting and not necessarily every detail of what was enforced in – as he called it – the wild west.

There have been some inconsistencies in Ken’s accounts over the years.
But Ken also isn’t David Robinson.
I have a lot of “inconsistent” memories and grey areas over the years.
And while I definitely partied hard back in the day – from what I’ve read I can’t say it was on Ken’s level.

IIRC the UFC made a rule that you could wear shoes but if you did you could not kick.
Not sure if that was UFC 1 or one of the first few…been a while lol.

Credit to Ken saying that the details of what you could or couldn’t wear might have made things more interesting, but he stopped short of saying it would have changed the outcomes.

I think it’s fair to say that based on the the prevailing knowledge (or lack thereof) at the time – Royce Gracie wearing a full gi, was the most significant accessory of that event.

And Ken did wear shoes in the second fight, with a much different outcome.

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In our Art Jimmerson interview, he really goes into detail about what rules applied to who

He legitimately gave us great insight into what was really taking place

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This was a thing in some of the early UFCs but I don’t think it was a rule in UFC I, but I could be wrong. As you say, our memories are imperfect.

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The no kicking with shoes rule seemed to get enforced selectively. The rule would change from one event to the next. First it was explicitly illegal, then Pete Williams was throwing kicks with abandon with shoes against Coleman and it ended with Coleman KO’d via shoed foot to face. At a later event, Lions Den fighter Alex Andrade got DQ’d for throwing low kicks with shoes. Then at a UFC in Japan, a Pancrase fighter won by cut that was caused by kicking a guy with shoes. There seemed to be no consistency at all until the unified rules just banned shoes outright.

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@Vrill
I respect the fuck out of your knowledge

Big John played favorites

Thanks man. That means a lot coming from the MMA detective. I was obsessed with this sport in the early days.

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It was the amount of tape that was argued

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Events used to be held in different cities, and as such, different rules for different locations. Iowa was a no- shoes state, that’s where Galindo got disqualified against bitteti for kicking

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i recall ken getting scolded by bjm for kicking oleg in the leg with his shin… cuz he had shoes on

ps: the guy who got stopped by cut from a shoed face kick was a militech fighter, possibly joe slick

^^^^ Speaking of an encyclopedia welcome.

@de_braco

By the way a while back (more than a year) I saw the Sifu walking down the street in a very small town wearing a Bruce shirt. Looked like he was heading towards a restaurant.

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Yeah, Joe Slick (RIP) vs Minowa if memory serves.

Rhis has become an AA meeting for MMA addiction

What UFC was the first time that we saw head kicks with shoes addressed?

What do you think his story is with Jason Delucia?

In the Andrade fight they said it was against the rules in Iowa to kick with shoes. At one point in UFC they could only kick with a specific kind of shoe.

You can tell he was lying about not hurting training partners before their fights

Frank and Jason both specifically pointed out a time he straight up injured Frank before a match

When I was a kid watching UFC I used to use this website to formulate my opinions. I used to think Jimmerson was a fucking clown.

That picture that he posted of him with the giant boxing glove shows just how cool that dude is.

Mike have you guys thought about doing Bohlander? I only bring him up because he’s the only pro fighter that I text with, we got linked in a few years back with his police career and my military service so a mutual friend introduced us. I’d be interested to hear his story on the podcast.

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Screen name seems appropriate.

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Can you ask if he was mentally checked out leading up to the Tito fight like Ken said