HELWIG - "Anyone that stands up to Israel gets called a terrorist. That label has become meaningless."
Terrorism is the act of using terror as a tactic. Examples being blowing up civilians at a pizza parlor with a suicide bomber. Or using ununiformed enemy combatants to put grenades into a basket full of fruit.
A military strike that results in collateral damage is not terrorism unless civilians were intentionally targeted to cause a reaction of fear.
Before Israel bombs terrorist hubs, they drop leaflets warning all civilians to leave the area, and send text messages to the civilians warning of the attacks. Terrorist groups like Hezbollah and Hamas use civilians as human shields; Geneva Conventions do not hold the attacker responsible for the civilian deaths in such situations. Those civilian deaths falls squarely on Hamas and Hezbollah. But don't let the facts get in the way of your hate for Israel.
"Anyone who fires rockets into civilian towns is called a terrorist...like Hezbullah"
"1996 shelling of Qana: On 18 April 1996, amid heavy fighting between the Israel Defense Forces and Hezbollah fighters during Operation Grapes of Wrath, a Fijian UNIFIL compound in the village was shelled by Israeli artillery, killing 106 civilians and injuring around 116 others who had taken refuge there to escape the fighting. Four UNIFIL soldiers were also seriously injured"
"2006 Qana airstrike: On 30 July 2006, during the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict, Israeli airstrikes hit an apartment building. The Lebanese Red Cross originally stated that at least 56 people were killed, 32 of whom were children. Human Rights Watch later announced that at least 22 people escaped the basement, and 28 are confirmed dead, of which 16 were children, with 13 more still missing."
jbapk - "Anyone who fires rockets into civilian towns is called a terrorist...like Hezbullah"
"1996 shelling of Qana: On 18 April 1996, amid heavy fighting between the Israel Defense Forces and Hezbollah fighters during Operation Grapes of Wrath, a Fijian UNIFIL compound in the village was shelled by Israeli artillery, killing 106 civilians and injuring around 116 others who had taken refuge there to escape the fighting. Four UNIFIL soldiers were also seriously injured"
"2006 Qana airstrike: On 30 July 2006, during the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict, Israeli airstrikes hit an apartment building. The Lebanese Red Cross originally stated that at least 56 people were killed, 32 of whom were children. Human Rights Watch later announced that at least 22 people escaped the basement, and 28 are confirmed dead, of which 16 were children, with 13 more still missing."
Terrorism is a the intentional targetting, as a matter of policy, of civilians as a method of warfare. The Israeli government immediately renounced the attack on the building in Lebanon and admitted it was the result of a mistake. Terror groups embrace their attacks and rush to take credit for them. Look at intent when you characterize attacks as terrorism.
I think it can be a bit easy to be bogged down by semantics and relativism.
Terrorism as it is commonly understood is in fact wrong. This means "bad." It also can be indicated by the universal condemnation of the international community. It also includes the killing of non-combatants as a tactic, not as a by-product.
Whether Israel does this or not is a red herring to the issue. The use of armed violence against non-combatants is simply wrong. OP has a point, in that if the Wiki entry is correct, then the clear language of the entry indicates he was in cahoots with a terrorist (bad) organization. He therefore should be called to accounts.
Therefore the issue becomes a question of whether the Wiki article is accurate or not, and it seems the OP came here to see if anyone had any thoughts on the accuracy of the said article. To this point, I would say that if he comes to the US, he was never a member or material supporter of Hezb, or else he would not have got the visa.
CapeBuffalo02 - Which group is more Terrorist in nature...Hmmmm....would I feel safer walking down a street in Lebanon or Isreal, and which would I be more afraid of being kidnaped by muslim extremist. I say Hezbollah is a terrorist army bent on spreading islam by force because that is what they claim. Yes it is weird that Mustapha Al Turk trained with them, it is not a Martial Art Hezbollah is an organization.
You'd be quite safe in Lebanon or Syria actually, or Israel for that matter. The problem is when they are all fighting each other and bombing each others cities (Israel especially).
knuckleballs - Israel kills three times the level of civilians. Learn the facts before you type.
so with that logic...
America has killed 100 times more civilians in Iraq. That doesn't mean they are terrorists. Lets not discuss bombing Dresden...
Actually, invading a country with no real reason is the largest act of terrorism one can think of. If you actually left america and talked to some people, you'd meet millions of people who think that.
Yes, and I hope Iraq has learned their lesson, that invading our ally Kuwait and then failing to live up to their peace treaty obligations was unacceptable.
jbapk - "Anyone who fires rockets into civilian towns is called a terrorist...like Hezbullah"
"1996 shelling of Qana: On 18 April 1996, amid heavy fighting between the Israel Defense Forces and Hezbollah fighters during Operation Grapes of Wrath, a Fijian UNIFIL compound in the village was shelled by Israeli artillery, killing 106 civilians and injuring around 116 others who had taken refuge there to escape the fighting. Four UNIFIL soldiers were also seriously injured"
"2006 Qana airstrike: On 30 July 2006, during the 2006 Israel-Lebanon conflict, Israeli airstrikes hit an apartment building. The Lebanese Red Cross originally stated that at least 56 people were killed, 32 of whom were children. Human Rights Watch later announced that at least 22 people escaped the basement, and 28 are confirmed dead, of which 16 were children, with 13 more still missing."
Terrorism is a the intentional targetting, as a matter of policy, of civilians as a method of warfare. The Israeli government immediately renounced the attack on the building in Lebanon and admitted it was the result of a mistake. Terror groups embrace their attacks and rush to take credit for them. Look at intent when you characterize attacks as terrorism.
Well if they said they were sorry!!!
Actually that's not how it goes:
"Art 13. Protection of the civilian population
1. The civilian population and individual civilians shall enjoy general protection against the dangers arising from military operations. To give effect to this protection, the following rules shall be observed in all circumstances.
2. The civilian population as such, as well as individual civilians, shall not be the object of attack. Acts or threats of violence the primary purpose of which is to spread terror among the civilian population are prohibited.
3. Civilians shall enjoy the protection afforded by this part, unless and for such time as they take a direct part in hostilities."
In regards to Israel sending text messages waring people they're going to die if they don't become refugees:
"Art 17. Prohibition of forced movement of civilians
1. The displacement of the civilian population shall not be ordered for reasons related to the conflict unless the security of the civilians involved or imperative military reasons so demand. Should such displacements have to be carried out, all possible measures shall be taken in order that the civilian population may be received under satisfactory conditions of shelter, hygiene, health, safety and nutrition.
2. Civilians shall not be compelled to leave their own territory for reasons connected with the conflict."
As for the civilians becoming refugees, again that falls squarely on Hezbollah using the city as a terror base and forcing the attacks to be made there.
"1. The displacement of the civilian population shall not be ordered for reasons related to the conflict unless the security of the civilians involved or imperative military reasons so demand. Should such displacements have to be carried out, all possible measures shall be taken in order that the civilian population may be received under satisfactory conditions of shelter, hygiene, health, safety and nutrition."
Avoiding a bombing seems a pretty clear civilian security issue, and returning fire against an attacker is a compelling military reason.
2. Civilians shall not be compelled to leave their own territory for reasons connected with the conflict."
They're not being forced to leave their territories, just to get out of a building.
GladiatorGannon - "1. The displacement of the civilian population shall not be ordered for reasons related to the conflict unless the security of the civilians involved or imperative military reasons so demand. Should such displacements have to be carried out, all possible measures shall be taken in order that the civilian population may be received under satisfactory conditions of shelter, hygiene, health, safety and nutrition."
Avoiding a bombing seems a pretty clear civilian security issue, and returning fire against an attacker is a compelling military reason.
2. Civilians shall not be compelled to leave their own territory for reasons connected with the conflict."
They're not being forced to leave their territories, just to get out of a building.
GladiatorGannon - "1. The displacement of the civilian population shall not be ordered for reasons related to the conflict unless the security of the civilians involved or imperative military reasons so demand. Should such displacements have to be carried out, all possible measures shall be taken in order that the civilian population may be received under satisfactory conditions of shelter, hygiene, health, safety and nutrition."
Avoiding a bombing seems a pretty clear civilian security issue, and returning fire against an attacker is a compelling military reason.
2. Civilians shall not be compelled to leave their own territory for reasons connected with the conflict."
They're not being forced to leave their territories, just to get out of a building.
Sure man, that's why they bulldoze all the olive groves and buildings and then don't let the people come back, or the travel laws that state if a Palestinian leaves the occupied territories to visit another country they can't come back... it's apartheid, plain and simple, the dirty towelheads are just too stupid to promote it as such and the Israelis have too many friends in the US.
GladiatorGannon - Yes, and I hope Iraq has learned their lesson, that invading our ally Kuwait and then failing to live up to their peace treaty obligations was unacceptable.
It's not up to a Joe Blow street cop or if we're talking about international law, the USA - one state - to determine if Iraq has broken a law and what punishment needs to be served out.
Only the UN Security Council has the authority to
1) determine that peace treaty obligations were broken
2) decide what to do about it
I suppose certain folks think they are judge jury and executioner, that seems to be the problem with your faulty argument.
knuckleballs - And Israel stealing land - as we speak - is the biggest terrorism of all (which tends to make people a wee-bit angry.)
Please point out to me where Israel is stealing land smart guy.
Wow, you are fucking clueless. Ok, google to the search engine called GOOGLE. Put in the words WEST BANK (this is a part of a place called PALESTINE). Then attach the word SETTLEMENT (this word could be used also with illegal land grab.) Then put in the number 2009. Tell me what pops up. In fact i just tried it, and here you go!