It all depends on how the first 3, and the final 3 rounds were scored.
Either 8-4 GGG or 6-6 Draw. Aggrression counts if it's effective, and ring generalship counts if it leads to something other than the ring general missing and getting countered.
GGG missed a lot of his punches and I think Canelo ended up outlanding him in the end. Aggression counts if you do something with it, but GGG missed a lot do to Canelo's head movement and defense so to me, that nullified he aggression. And most of the aggression that GGG had was when Canelo was on the ropes, but Canelo kept he fight there, not GGG. There were rounds when Canelo would go to the ropes and stand there, not even trying to get out and he would still make GGG miss.
It was a close fight, and I'm fine with the draw. Even a GGG win wouldn't have been a robbery because it was close, but I can see the case for a Canelo win
Don't go by compubox stats, they are often WAY off from what really occured. I had the fight either even or Canelo winning by a point, I'd have to watch it again and write down my scores each round. It was very close and a draw is a fair score.
Even if you think it might have been a draw there’s no way it was 118-110 canelo
boxing wiz -Don't go by compubox stats, they are often WAY off from what really occured. I had the fight either even or Canelo winning by a point, I'd have to watch it again and write down my scores each round. It was very close and a draw is a fair score.
I agree for the most part, but they're still worthy of a presence in the conversation. It's always interesting to see what the numbers indicate, but most definitely they cannot account for a lot of important variables that go into the overall aesthetics of a fight.
Cecil Peoples scored it for Mayweather.
Teddy Atlas --------------------------------> 118-110 GGG
Unnamed boxing site #1 ------------------> 118-110 GGG
Jeff Powell (UK Daily Mail) ----------------> 118-111 GGG
Kelly Pavlik ---------------------------------> 117-111 GGG
Mookie Alexander (Bloody Elbow) --------> 117-111 GGG
Brian Campbell (CBS) ---------------------> 117-111 GGG
Jack Rathborn (Mirror UK) ----------------> 117-111 GGG
Harold Lederman (HBO) ------------------> 116-112 GGG
Devon Alexander --------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Dan Rafael (ESPN) ------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Al Bernstein -------------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Bryan Graham (Guardian UK) ------------> 116-112 GGG
Gareth Davies (UK Telegraph) -----------> 116-112 GGG
Steve Bunce (BoxNation) ----------------> 116-112 GGG
Tom Loeffler ------------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Sergio Martinez ---------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Amir Khan ---------------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Matthew Macklin --------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Steve Lillis (BoxNation) -------------------> 116-112 GGG
Bob Velin (USA Today) --------------------> 116-112 GGG
Lyle Fitzsimmons (CBS) -------------------> 116-112 GGG
Kevin McRae (Bleacher Report) -----------> 116-112 GGG
Shaun Al-Shatti (MMA Fighting) ----------> 116-112 GGG
Ryan Frederick (Wrestling Observer) ----> 116-112 GGG
Patrick Stumberg (MMA Mania) ----------> 116-112 GGG
Michael Woods (Ring) --------------------> 116-112 GGG
Nigel Collins (ESPN) ----------------------> 116-112 GGG
Cliff Rold ----------------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Bad Left Hook Writer #2 -----------------> 116-112 GGG
John A. MacDonald (Boxing Monthly) —> 116-112 GGG
Ron Lewis (The Times) -------------------> 116-112 GGG
Kevin Mitchell (Guardian UK) ------------> 116-113 GGG
Josh Taylor --------------------------------> 116-113 GGG
Joshua Bautsi -----------------------------> 116-113 GGG
Matt Christie (Boxing News) -------------> 116-113 GGG
Barry Jones (BoxNation) -----------------> 116-113 GGG
Adam Booth -------------------------------> 116-114 GGG
Jordan Breen (Sherdog) ------------------> 115-112 GGG
Caleb Truax -------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Kevin Iole (Yahoo) ------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Gary Locket -------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Will Esco (Bad Left Hook) -----------------> 115-113 GGG
Phil Murphy (ESPN) -----------------------> 115-113 GGG
Mike Harris (SI) ---------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Paul Fontaine (Wrestling Observer) ------> 115-113 GGG
MMA Brazil ---------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Sean Sheehan (Severe MMA) -------------> 115-113 GGG
Rob Tatum (Combat Press) ----------------> 115-113 GGG
Patrick Wyman (Bleacher Report) ---------> 115-113 GGG
Joel Diaz ------------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Marc Livitz (SecondsOut) ------------------> 115-113 GGG
Stephen A. Smith (ESPN) -----------------> 115-113 GGG
Graham Houston (Boxing Monthly) -------> 115-113 GGG
Ed Robinson (Sky Sports) -----------------> 115-113 GGG
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Tom Gray (Ring) ---------------------------> 115-114 GGG
Max Kellerman -----------------------------> Golovkin
Lennox Lewis ------------------------------> Golovkin
Shane Mosley ------------------------------> Golovkin
Austin Trout --------------------------------> Golovkin
Paulie Malignaggi --------------------------> Golovkin
Enzo Macarenelli ---------------------------> Golovkin
Scott Cardle --------------------------------> Golvokin
Terence Crawford ---------------------------> Golovkin
Reece Bellotti ------------------------------> Golvokin
Liam Smith ---------------------------------> Golovkin
Peter Quillin --------------------------------> Golovkin
Liam Williams ------------------------------> Golovkin
Ohara Davies -------------------------------> Golovkin
Luke Campbell -----------------------------> Golovkin
Dave Coldwell ------------------------------> Golovkin
Badou Jack ---------------------------------> Golovkin
Kevin Kelly (boxer) -------------------------> Golovkin
Steve Kim -----------------------------------> Golovkin
Doug Fischer --------------------------------> Golovkin
Ring TV guy (name?) ----------------------> Golvokin
Cornelius Bundrage ------------------------> Golovkin
Gabriel Rosado ------------------------------> Golovkin
Kal Yafai -------------------------------------> Golovkin
Julian Williams ------------------------------> Golovkin
Vanes Martirosyan --------------------------> Golovkin
Michael Montero ----------------------------> Golovkin
James Brady (SB Nation) ------------------> Golovkin
Joe Rogan (UFC) ----------------------------> Golovkin
Jim Rome (sports broadcaster) ------------> Golovkin
Kovalev -------------------------------------> Golvokin
Chavez Jr -----------------------------------> Golovkin
Danny Jacobs -------------------------------> Golovkin
Murat Gassiev ------------------------------> Golovkin
Johnny Nelson ------------------------------> Golovkin
Rosie Perez ---------------------------------> Golovkin
Lou DiBella ---------------------------------> Golovkin
Tony Jeffries --------------------------------> Golovkin
Martin Samuel (UK Daily Mail) -------------> Golovkin
Dave Allen ----------------------------------> Golovkin
Joseph Parker ------------------------------> Golovkin
Bernardo Osuna (ESPN Deportes) --------> 115-115 Draw
Lance Pugmire (LA Times) ----------------> 114-114 Draw
Chris Mannix (Yahoo) ---------------------> 114-114 Draw
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Kenny Porter ------------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Roy Jones ---------------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Peter Fury ---------------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Tommy Hearns ----------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Joe Cortez ---------------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Liam Happe (Yahoo Sport UK) -----------> 114-114 Draw
Steven Muehlhausen (Sporting News) —> 114-114 Draw
Gilbert Manzano (Denver Post) -----------> 114-114 Draw
Ben Thompson (Fight Hype) -------------> 114-114 Draw
Brian Kenny (MLB Network) -------------> 114-114 Draw
Eric Rasken (HBO) -----------------------> 114-114 Draw
Danny Flexen (British Boxers) -----------> 114-114 Draw
Kieran Mulvaney (HBO) ------------------> 114-114 Draw
David Greisman (former writer) ---------> 114-114 Draw
George Foreman --------------------------> 114-114 Draw (supposedly said)
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Danny Howard (Boxing Tribune) ---------> 115-114 Canelo
De La Hoya --------------------------------> 115-113 Canelo
Bernard Hopkins --------------------------> 115-113 Canelo
Gilbert Mendoza (President of WBA) -----> 115-113 Canelo
Coach Anthony ----------------------------> 116-112 Canelo
Erik Morales -------------------------------> 117-111 Canelo (think he said; see video page 3)
Chavez Sr ---------------------------------> Canelo
Sergio Mora -------------------------------> Canelo
Beautiful post DWray, but you forgot Canelo's mom who had Canelo by destruction
Lick Brown Boners -Beautiful post DWray, but you forgot Canelo's mom who had Canelo by destruction
Well I didn’t want to mentioned Adelaide Bird since she was one of the official judges.
boxing wiz -Don't go by compubox stats, they are often WAY off from what really occured. I had the fight either even or Canelo winning by a point, I'd have to watch it again and write down my scores each round. It was very close and a draw is a fair score.
i agree. it was either a draw or a razor thin canelo win.
I've not watched all of this yet but it appears to be an attempt to count the significant strikes.
I'm not expecting the video I just posted to change any minds.
Politically Incorrect -If you think Canelo won, you're either lying, or you watched the fight through rose colored glasses with emotion judging for you.
It was not close, GGG led the punch count in 10 of the rounds, he walked forward and had Canelo on the ropes for almost the entire fight beyond round 3.
Canelo looked outclassed, like he wasn't even in the fight from rounds 4-10.
I scored it 9-3 for GGG, I could see 2 of the rounds I scored for GGG being 50/50 rounds based on what you value in scoring, so WORST CASE SCENARIO for GGG he only wins 7-5.
what about a draw?
is roy jones, yahoo, the associated press, several writers for espn (not the screaming talking heads), several hbo experts, la times, george foreman, tommy hearns all lying when they called it a draw or canelo win?
then you had several guys from sports ilustrated, yahoo, espn calling it 115-113 for golvkin, basically 1 round difference to a draw.
even stephen a smith lathering with outrage and yelling scored it a 1 round fight. figth was very close. most experts called it 115-113 for golovkin and other scored it a draw. don't let the guys yelling and carrying on for ratings ruin the discourse by pushing a false narrative
in regards to teddy atlas, byrd's socre card was retared, however anyone caliming 118-110 for golovkin is retarded as well. when teddy atlas is literally having a stroke on air, please remember his scorecard was retarded goiing the other direction
I thought it could have been a draw,
Canelo def could have won the first 3 and the last 3 rounds.
You could also give 1-2 of those to GGG. So I don’t really have an issue with the draw but of course the 118-110 is outrageous.
KnockoutThoughts -I had it 9-3 GGG.
me 2
Most of the "experts" who thought Canelo won, are being selfish and egotistical because no one wants to see a guy eclipse their dominance at the time they fought.
jcblass -Most of the "experts" who thought Canelo won, are being selfish and egotistical because no one wants to see a guy eclipse their dominance at the time they fought.
It's ridiculous. I think pharochuck is a GREAT poster normally, but he's off on this 100%.
Also I wouldn't take George Foreman's opinion too seriously right now, he thought Conor rocked Floyd in the 9th round.
Its re pretty much unanimous among boxing fans and even casual fans that GGG won. It's already been established in the court of public opinion.
I don't think GGG did nearly as well as almost everyone else thinks. He was content to jab walk forward, miss, punch Canelo's gloves, and get hit. He never showed any urgency, never tried to turn up the heat, didn't manage to break the skin of a fucking ginger over 12 rounds. The most impressive thing about GGG in that fight was his chin.
In fact, the only reason that fight was a draw on my scorecard was because Canelo went overboard on the juice and gassed after 3 rounds before getting his second wind in the 10th.
PrettyBoy - I thought it could have been a draw,Canelo def could have won the first 3 and the last 3 rounds.
You could also give 1-2 of those to GGG. So I don’t really have an issue with the draw but of course the 118-110 is outrageous.
100% agree with this post