Op Wan Kenobi - The thing is, anyone who has done jujitsu knows, is not just about how long the sub is held. It's also about how much pressure is being applied to the joint.
It's about his intention. And his intention is to FUCK YOUR LEG UP! And if he happens to win the progress, it's a bonus. Those kinds of injuries will take away the lively hood of a fighter no problem.
If Palhares eases up on the pressure Fitch could escape. If the ref doesn't see the tap and Fitch doesn't admit to it Palhares gets screwed out of a sub win.
Look at Matt Lindland vs Bustamante for an example of what happens when you don't let the ref break it up.
I respect you as a member. You are an 01er. We can just agree to disagree. I feel like a jiu jitsu leg lock specialist like him can bring sub to a point where it is "locked in" and is causing enough pain for a guy to tap without destroying the leg. When Fitch is tapping and screaming, he could maintain the amount of pressure that got Fitch to tap in the first place without continuing to extend the joint. Just my opinion. Like I said in my first post, it's a beautiful technique.
It doesn't sound like you have ever trained grappling seriously. Straight joint locks like kneebars and armbars have to cause pain to entice the person to tap. These are pro fighters. If it doesn't hurt, they're going to keep fighting. If Palhares doesn't crank that sub, Fitch has time to plan and escape and punch him in the face, like he did when they first went to the ground. Palhares gave Fitch more time to submit than Fitch gave Palhares when he punched him in the brain.
Op Wan Kenobi - The thing is, anyone who has done jujitsu knows, is not just about how long the sub is held. It's also about how much pressure is being applied to the joint.
It's about his intention. And his intention is to FUCK YOUR LEG UP! And if he happens to win the progress, it's a bonus. Those kinds of injuries will take away the lively hood of a fighter no problem.
If Palhares eases up on the pressure Fitch could escape. If the ref doesn't see the tap and Fitch doesn't admit to it Palhares gets screwed out of a sub win.
Look at Matt Lindland vs Bustamante for an example of what happens when you don't let the ref break it up.
I respect you as a member. You are an 01er. We can just agree to disagree. I feel like a jiu jitsu leg lock specialist like him can bring sub to a point where it is "locked in" and is causing enough pain for a guy to tap without destroying the leg. When Fitch is tapping and screaming, he could maintain the amount of pressure that got Fitch to tap in the first place without continuing to extend the joint. Just my opinion. Like I said in my first post, it's a beautiful technique.
This post is how we know you don't know anything about leg locks.
Exactly, this Op Wan Noob knows absolutely 0 about leg locks.
He is the exact kind of MMA fan I would love to have move over to watching professional wrestling (more his style imo as it's fake) in exchange for the wrestling fans coming over to MMA following the CM Punk signing.
Palhares is basically the only terrifying submission expert at this point and his commitment to subs is part and parcel of that. Just like stepping in the ring with JDS isn't likely to work out well for your long term brain health. Also, he appears to be half 'tarded.
Didn't he have a situation where he thought a guy tapped, so he let go before the ref came in and then he got kod? I'd be holding my subs longer too after that
rMar89 - Didn't he have a situation where he thought a guy tapped, so he let go before the ref came in and then he got kod? I'd be holding my subs longer too after that
If the opponent doesn't scream it doesn't count, and boy did Fitch scream. And no, Palhares didn't hold it too long. He is just that good. He makes a sub as exciting as a left hand haymaker to the jaw. If his next opponent pisses himself from fear, that's part of the game.
Op Wan Kenobi - The thing is, anyone who has done jujitsu knows, is not just about how long the sub is held. It's also about how much pressure is being applied to the joint.
It's about his intention. And his intention is to FUCK YOUR LEG UP! And if he happens to win the progress, it's a bonus. Those kinds of injuries will take away the lively hood of a fighter no problem.
If Palhares eases up on the pressure Fitch could escape. If the ref doesn't see the tap and Fitch doesn't admit to it Palhares gets screwed out of a sub win.
Look at Matt Lindland vs Bustamante for an example of what happens when you don't let the ref break it up.
I respect you as a member. You are an 01er. We can just agree to disagree. I feel like a jiu jitsu leg lock specialist like him can bring sub to a point where it is "locked in" and is causing enough pain for a guy to tap without destroying the leg. When Fitch is tapping and screaming, he could maintain the amount of pressure that got Fitch to tap in the first place without continuing to extend the joint. Just my opinion. Like I said in my first post, it's a beautiful technique.
This post is how we know you don't know anything about leg locks.
Yep this
Fine line between having a leg lock and losing it
It's on Fitch if he wanted to tap earlier, not on Paul Harris to half ass the sub or let go early and hope Fitch will be honest about it
If the opponent doesn't scream it doesn't count, and boy did Fitch scream. And no, Palhares didn't hold it too long. He is just that good. He makes a sub as exciting as a left hand haymaker to the jaw. If his next opponent pisses himself from fear, that's part of the game.
If he doesn't scream it doesn't count? Huh? And him being "just that good" has nothing to do with him holding the sub. It looked pretty damn obvious he held the submission long again. That motherfucker.
I don't think people quite expect the full power which Paul Harris applies the leglocks with. In most BJJ gyms guys go for leglocks with a certain degree of respect to avoid injuring their training partners but Harris uses violent roid-tard strength at all times. Fitch waited too long to tap and by the time he did his hamstring had lost all power to resist the knee being fucked. I like how Fitch just puts his arms behind his head and starts waiting for the medic....knee blown out like a boss.
