Good post. The racist and bigoted assholes on here are killing the boards. The number of tough guy keyboard warriors running around calling people "faggots" is unreal. And that type of hatred seems to be, at the very least, tolerated.
It's why I don't come by too often anymore.
This place is not far from being a hate filled, far right echo chamber.
Thanks bbomber. If nothing changes (or at least clarified by a mod!) then I gotta decide too whether or not to come to the forums.
Been here a long time but the neighbourhood has changed...
lol 5 years? You’re a noob gtfo not to mention 500 posts? Yeah you’ll be missed. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass faggot
Interesting thread, didn’t think I’d see any mods in here, and therein lies the problem. I find it quite sad to be honest because I think we all know Kirik is a decent and tolerant guy. But at long as it goes on to the extent it does, whether they like it or not, anyone moderating the forum is accepting of some of the vile views you see here.
As someone above wrote though, no matter how much abuse they give, it is simply because in real life there’s no real outlet for their views, they get shut down, and they’re cowards.
Take the recent thread about Tommy Robinson again, everyone who knows anything about Robinson knows he’s a vile piece of scum who has lived his whole life promoting racist views. Yet the small proportion of uneducated, cowardly morons on the OG see him as a hero. Which tells you all you need to know about their pathetic existences. A hundred years ago they’d have been out stringing up and burning a black man, so we gotta be thankful to an extent an Internet forum is their only safe space now, however sad it is that the mods are happy to let it happen
I can’t possibly get mad or offended by people on an Internet forum. The world can be a shitty place. Take the good from it and give some back. Just be aware that the garbage is out there. You are not going to fix who mankind is.
+1 Sakuraba. Winston Wolf and Wiggum are rock stars. I read everything they write.
MODS? I know I'm gonna hear from all the dimwits here ("SJW, snowflake, faggot" etc. - Amerikkka truly is great again!) but MODS?
And btw, I fully support anyone's right to think freely; hate on anybody/anything as much as you want in private - but here in a public forum (just like you see elsewhere on the net) there are policies that prohibit those kinds of hateful comments. Those policies exist here too, but seem to never be enforced, even though we see action can be taken, like when folks bash fighters...
So yeah, you racist assholes are part of the "real world" (thanks for the advice Blazing Knees you fucking mouth-breather shitstain) but so are reasonable, worldly, decent people.
But here, outside of the "real world" it's clear (even from the few posts already here) that most folks on the UG are white racist dudes... and what's the worst you fucks have been called here? Racist? That's as bad as it gets for you "snowflakes"! That's what gets you fuckers all mad - being called "racist"!
POC are usually the most racist and are comfortable with expressing it since they get a pass. People don’t seem to call it really racism unless it’s a white person expressing it.
It’s because here in the states the white guilt bs has been mainstreamed now.
I LITERALLY have to step in and defend friens in public discussions because i know leftwingers can’t use the race card on me (pinoy blacksican lol)
Tbh, I’m kind of just curious about the policy, generally. People get away with very blatant racism, sexism, homophobia, antisemitism, etc. Stuff that goes way beyond being “borderline.”
What’s the policy?
I stay on this forum because of the great posters. We’ve been having great conversations about fighters for years. And I know that I don’t agree with all of the great posters on politics. But a lot of the bigotry has made me want to leave. And I’ve been close to deleting my account several times.
learn to be offended. its OK. I'll get you a participation trophy if you really need it.
there are no winners here. now everybody hold hands and share a secret.
Curious x9uv - are you from a group that gets regularly targeted here on the UG?
I'm cool being offended when I can't control things, but in a place like this (made up of all kinds of people from all over the world) I'd like to be able to talk about all things MMA and not have to read nasty comments about Jews each day. Or see black people called "monkeys", etc. etc. etc.
Want to tell me that I'm a stupid fuckhead for liking this or that fighter? Tell me I'm an idiot for my opinion about the outcome of some fight? Fine. Perfect. But don't bring bigoted stuff into the picture.
Do you get offended here x9uv? Either way, whether you do or don't - do you understand why someone doesn't want to have to read that shit on a public sports forum (especially when it's not allowed on other sports forums)?
nope. and i doubt you could possible write anything that would offend me to the point that I'd whine about it. I would most likely laugh.
harden the fuck up princess.
NOPE. That's the only answer I need x9uv.
You've never been tested. You are talking out of complete ignorance. You have no voice here, whatever you say is meaningless, like a child trying to speak about adult issues.
Go play with your white-bread toaster in the bathtub. Don't forget to plug it in!
Upperdog - When offended, you make yourself a victim. Sack up.
Right, so when someone or some group attacks you and your people all throughout history up to present day - just ignore it, do nothing - that's your message?
Don't stand up for yourself or your loved ones or for what's right, rather just pretend that there's not a human part of you that reacts to truly offensive insults or bahaviour. Create some kind of Hollywood fantasy that somehow you can just be stronger and make yourself into something (like a mobster? What the fuck are you using The Departed as your example?!) and THAT will allow you to be bigger than insults and being offended...
Here, Upperdog - here's a better lesson from real life: If you or your people are shit on by assholes - stand up for yourself. Say something. Start some dialogue. You might open someone's mind but if not, at least you don't let yourself get pushed around. That's how you avoid being a vicim. Not by pretending that the bad shit out there doesn't exist or that it doesn't affect you.
Not something that I feel I'd have to explain to someone who actually has been on the receiving end of discrimination.
I live my life day by day. I don’t simply take advantage of opportunities that may present themselves to me. I choose to create opportunities for others to learn and grow. That’s the difference between me and you. You’re a victim in you’re own mind. Overcome yourself. Only then, may you understand.
‘you and your people’
Fuck off with that dumb shit. Be your own man. Make the difference. The benefit of any community begins with an individual.
You’re claiming victim status? Is that what you want to project? Really?
You have fear in your heart. Fear begets hatred, envy and greed.
Overcome yourself.
Thanks for your wisdom oh great yogi Upperdog. Truly, just a bunch of useless, irrelevant crap that you’ve written.
Clearly you yourself have never been singled out for just being part of some group. Nor has your family, it’s just not part of your personal history, for some reason you just can’t admit it. Like it’s some kind of weakness. It’s ok to not have that experience, but you can observe and learn.
Talking about shit you know nothing about, nothing to say except to write out crappy superhero comic cliches about overcoming fear and shit.
I don’t see myself (nor anyone else who’s had to read racist shit here) as a victim. YOU see people that speak out for themselves or their "people" as victims coz you don’t know any better and you’re too proud to be open to others’ experiences or realities.
Your perspective is self-centered, blind, limited, selfish, ignorant. You are giving advice from the perspective of someone in a vacuum, you’re just jerking yourself off. What’s bad is that instead of challenging yourself, you’re passing on bad advice that’s not rooted in real life or history.
Did Martin Luther King see himself as a victim? Muhammad Ali? Are unions just a bunch of victims? Is the legal system just there for a society full of victims? We should just be our own men! Overcome our fear! Who needs consumer protection? Who needs policies in the workplace? Speak out about injustice or persecution and you’re just a VICTIM!
Live in a bubble, ignore fear, racism doesn’t exist, the persecution of minority groups in America never existed and doesn’t exist and anyone that says it does is a VICTIM!
The benefit of any community, Upperdog, is to know that there’s a community in the first place. You may not have that in your life, but a lot of us here do. We’re tired of seeing those in our communities attacked here on a daily basis, when we JUST WANT TO READ AND WRITE ABOUT MMA.
Man, just go on the Woodley thread where his friend talks about why he's not more popular. Someone actually posted that horrible meme of a black kid with a watermelon and a bucket of KFC, IN a comment where he argues racism doesn't exist.
Go to the thread started by MeatGrinder about the white supremacist MMA apparel brand. Some of the most horrid shit I've seen is in that thread, truly some bizarre, raging racism in there. And sure enough, you make this thread and it starts getting filled with people who insist it is whites who are being victimized, and who call blacks racist.
This place is basically Stormfront but with Jiu Jitsu, and it's really sad. Mayweather said years ago that this sport was for skinheads, and I wanted him to be wrong, but since Trump brought white supremacy to the mainstream, people took the hoods off here, and it sucks.
What follows are ten pages of me being called a faggot and a racist.
Horrible. This place really has degenerated into what you've described here.
What kills me is that this is such an international sport, men and women from all over the world, from all kinds of backgrounds...
You'd think most fans would mirror that reality! But it does seem like the opposite...
OP is calling for cencorship just like the good little brainwashed robot he is. Fuck you OP, if you feel somebody is being bigoted then debate them and prove they are wrong. Or else stfu and stop crying
Not calling for censorship, just the enforcement of some basic guidelines that are supposedly supposed to be here.
Is "no fighter bashing" censorship? It IS one of the rules here, right? And why? Coz no fighter wants to come here and see hurtful crap written by assholes - it's just basic respect.
Do we need to protect fighters feelings? It seems we do.
SO why should a black person have to come here each day and read racist comments about blacks? What does that have to do with MMA? If a fighter's feelings are protected here on the UG, shouldn't they also have the basic guidelines about racist comments like we see on most other sites?
How can I debate the hundreds of comments each week here? How do I debate someone that calls blacks "monkeys" or jews "devils"? If they want to believe that crap, that's their right - I just shouldn't have to see it here - just like a fighter shouldn't have to see his/her name bashed either.
shut your whiny snowflake mouth and get with the real world dude. It's rough out there and this is how people talk
go back to something safer Nancy, the interwebz are yuge
I have to agree.
Sorry, OP.
I read racist stuff against whites all day on Facebook. I don't cry to Mark Zuckerberg.
Can you give me an example of "racist stuff against whites" that you read? Just curious (and please don't say that whites are called "racist" as an example).
That said, this is not Facebook, this is a public forum on MMA. I can't block or unfriend someone who writes racist shit here.
There is a "no fighter bashing" rule here that gets enforced, right?
Do you understand the reason for that?
That's the same reason why guidelines for racist comments should be enforced.
Interesting thread, didn’t think I’d see any mods in here, and therein lies the problem. I find it quite sad to be honest because I think we all know Kirik is a decent and tolerant guy. But at long as it goes on to the extent it does, whether they like it or not, anyone moderating the forum is accepting of some of the vile views you see here.
As someone above wrote though, no matter how much abuse they give, it is simply because in real life there’s no real outlet for their views, they get shut down, and they’re cowards.
Take the recent thread about Tommy Robinson again, everyone who knows anything about Robinson knows he’s a vile piece of scum who has lived his whole life promoting racist views. Yet the small proportion of uneducated, cowardly morons on the OG see him as a hero. Which tells you all you need to know about their pathetic existences. A hundred years ago they’d have been out stringing up and burning a black man, so we gotta be thankful to an extent an Internet forum is their only safe space now, however sad it is that the mods are happy to let it happen
I can't believe not one mod has answered here!
They'll kick you out for "fighter bashing" in a second - so they are reading what being written - but in this case, no response.
SamuelRothstein - It’s a cage fighting forum so a large amount of the members who sign up behave like that. It doesn’t offend me but it’s a little annoying when a rare good thread on this place gets derailed by the angry hormonal teenager showing up with “lol faggot u stupid faggot u won’t fight me in real life pussy faggot “ stuff because he’s triggered over an observation about a fighter they’ve never met but worship. It's not so much that they say "pussy" or "faggot", that stuff doesn't really bother me, say whaever you want, the site ToS apparently allows it. It's just a little weird when that's the only substance to the post..no joke, no point to make, just a string of insults. A small percent of the people here communicate in a way that isn't much more sophisticated than a dog barking when it's tied to chain or hungry. Some of these people are so awkward they start cussing out other posters who simply ask a question. It's gotten to the point where if you're seriously asking a question you have to preface it by assuring the other poster you aren't attacking them or their favorite fighter in any way. If you don't give that assurance the next 2 pages will be 3 people calling each other fags and bitches. It's a discussion forum where a frightening amount of people don't know how to have a discussion.
I remember having a discussion awhile with another poster who mentioned he made an effort to have his real identity removed from this site because it’s just not the kind of place you want associated with you if a potential employer or investor wanted to do some background research on you. I can understand his point. Not just popping up in research, but when the “pussy” and the “faggot” insults aren’t enough to satiate their freakish emotions, the disturbed poster will try to doxx you and fuck with people you know in real life.
Cage culture is an embarrassing thing but I still enjoy threads on here once in awhile like the one called stacked weekend of boxing or the one about the Russian wrestlers being so technical. When caposa still posted threads here he made awesome threads with weekend lineups of global MMA and how to watch it so we weren’t stuck with watching two forklift drivers punch at the air in a ufc fight under unified rules.
Good post. The racist and bigoted assholes on here are killing the boards. The number of tough guy keyboard warriors running around calling people "faggots" is unreal. And that type of hatred seems to be, at the very least, tolerated.
It's why I don't come by too often anymore.
This place is not far from being a hate filled, far right echo chamber.
Thanks bbomber. If nothing changes (or at least clarified by a mod!) then I gotta decide too whether or not to come to the forums.
Been here a long time but the neighbourhood has changed...
lol 5 years? You’re a noob gtfo not to mention 500 posts? Yeah you’ll be missed. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass faggot
Been here long enough to know that people like you that point to sign-up dates (and who use the word "noob" against someone, like it means something) are made fun of regularly.
I’ve been here longer than that anyway (if that makes you feel any better genius).
I’m sure your many, many posts are as insightful and interesting as the one you just wrote.
And you got to use the word "faggot"! Hooray for you - you poor, dumb piece of shit!
I can’t possibly get mad or offended by people on an Internet forum. The world can be a shitty place. Take the good from it and give some back. Just be aware that the garbage is out there. You are not going to fix who mankind is.
+1 Sakuraba. Winston Wolf and Wiggum are rock stars. I read everything they write.
Just tired of seeing it every single day here. Just want the mods to let us know what the official policy is here. But yeah, the garbage is out there - clearly.