dubate -
So is Bellator only going to be signing former UFC fighters that have burned their bridge and can't go back?
Interesting that you call it burning bridges, when the fighters are getting fucked. Apparently Bellator will be replace the UFC (Ultimate Fighting Circus) with its clown "Sonnen" and Ringmaster, Dana.
The UFC needs fighters, not the other way around. That is what Unions try to get people to understand.
He got paid over 3 million a year for his time in the UFC and they publicly stood by him when he fucked up. What more does he deserve? Keep in mind his big complaint was that they kept feeding him wrestlers.
DaddyRich - NFL players can be cut at any time. Their contracts aren't guaranteed for future years. If a player is cut during the season they are still paid for that season. I think the difference between UFC fighters and NFL players is the NFL players have a union that looks after their rights.
They try to, but their union is pretty weak. In fact outside of MLBPA all the unions in sports are pretty weak.
Maybe weak compared to other pro sports unions but it's light years ahead of what fighters have.
Honestly though, I understand how a union would help the low end fighters but what would a union have done for Rampage?
Dude gets a lot of hate on here and I'm not sure why. Is it because of his run in with the law? No one else here has stuffed up in their life?
This guy loves MMA, loves the fans and he's been doing it forever. Wish him all the best
Dude gets hate because he whines a lot and shit talks most of his former business associates and trainers. His "rampage" with his truck and his subsequent lack of remorse also didn't help matters.
Rampage does not love MMA. He has stated in the past that he hates training and that if it were up to him, he'd just make movies and having a boxing match once in awhile. Not a MMA match once in awhile, but a boxing match. He said this when he was filming the A-Team.
Rampage is not like Joe Lauzon who trains all the time regardless of whether or not he has a fight coming up.
And Rampage only likes his Japanese fans. He has stated that he stopped liking the North American fans because they booed him after he KO'ed Chuck. He's also stated that he doesn't like all the guy MMA fans coming up to him and asking for photos. So really, he only likes his female Asian fans. Can't say I blame him for that though.
And this is coming from a Rampage fan who is actually excited to watch him either crush cans in Bellator or be used as a stepping stone for new fighters.
I see it as Rampage being honest. He doesn't call press conferences to share his thoughts, or "whine" as you call it. But when he's asked questions he says what's on his mind. To me, that's refreshing even if I may disagree with something he says.
What is he supposed to do, always give the politically correct answer to every question asked?
Dude gets a lot of hate on here and I'm not sure why. Is it because of his run in with the law? No one else here has stuffed up in their life?
This guy loves MMA, loves the fans and he's been doing it forever. Wish him all the best
Dude gets hate because he whines a lot and shit talks most of his former business associates and trainers. His "rampage" with his truck and his subsequent lack of remorse also didn't help matters.
Rampage does not love MMA. He has stated in the past that he hates training and that if it were up to him, he'd just make movies and having a boxing match once in awhile. Not a MMA match once in awhile, but a boxing match. He said this when he was filming the A-Team.
Rampage is not like Joe Lauzon who trains all the time regardless of whether or not he has a fight coming up.
And Rampage only likes his Japanese fans. He has stated that he stopped liking the North American fans because they booed him after he KO'ed Chuck. He's also stated that he doesn't like all the guy MMA fans coming up to him and asking for photos. So really, he only likes his female Asian fans. Can't say I blame him for that though.
And this is coming from a Rampage fan who is actually excited to watch him either crush cans in Bellator or be used as a stepping stone for new fighters.
I see it as Rampage being honest. He doesn't call press conferences to share his thoughts, or "whine" as you call it. But when he's asked questions he says what's on his mind. To me, that's refreshing even if I may disagree with something he says.
What is he supposed to do, always give the politically correct answer to every question asked?
It may be "refreshing" and honest, but it's still whining.
Lots of fighters express their thoughts in a non-politically correct manner and don't come across as whiney. Wand, Big Nog and Chuck are perfect examples of this.
Like I said, Rampage doesn't call up a reporter to whine. But when asked a question, he answers truthfully, as he sees the truth of the situation. If his opinion is whining to you, well you're entitiled to your opinion too.
DaddyRich - NFL players can be cut at any time. Their contracts aren't guaranteed for future years. If a player is cut during the season they are still paid for that season. I think the difference between UFC fighters and NFL players is the NFL players have a union that looks after their rights.
They try to, but their union is pretty weak. In fact outside of MLBPA all the unions in sports are pretty weak.
Maybe weak compared to other pro sports unions but it's light years ahead of what fighters have.
Honestly though, I understand how a union would help the low end fighters but what would a union have done for Rampage?
I didn't mean to get too deep into the weeds about unions. I'm no more informed than the average sports fan. Rampage had more leverage due to his drawing power but I think there are contract terms that are non-negotiable between fighters and the UFC that collective bargaining could help fighters. Things like ancillary rights, fighter conduct, insurance, establishment of a pension. There's probably others I'm missing or not aware of.
I cant wait for this guy to get smashed like king mo. Rampage is all happy bc he thinks he is going to win in a 2nd rate fight league. He isn't about trying to be the best, he just wants to beat up on guys. Better to be first in the minors than last in the pros? He was overrated in pride, old in the UFC, I will never pay a dime to watch this guy fight.
DaddyRich - NFL players can be cut at any time. Their contracts aren't guaranteed for future years. If a player is cut during the season they are still paid for that season. I think the difference between UFC fighters and NFL players is the NFL players have a union that looks after their rights.
They try to, but their union is pretty weak. In fact outside of MLBPA all the unions in sports are pretty weak. <img alt="Phone Post" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align: middle;" /></blockquote>
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Maybe weak compared to other pro sports unions but it's light years ahead of what fighters have.</blockquote>
Honestly though, I understand how a union would help the low end fighters but what would a union have done for Rampage? <img alt="Phone Post" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align: middle;" /></blockquote>
LOL at this propaganda.
The sports unions benefit the top earners FAR more than they benefit the bottom earners. It isn't even debatable.
Same is true of SAG. You see Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt opting out?
Ridiculous comment.
Dubate spouting off again about things he/she doesn't know about.
dubate -
So is Bellator only going to be signing former UFC fighters that have burned their bridge and can't go back?
Interesting that you call it burning bridges, when the fighters are getting fucked. Apparently Bellator will be replace the UFC (Ultimate Fighting Circus) with its clown "Sonnen" and Ringmaster, Dana.
The UFC needs fighters, not the other way around. That is what Unions try to get people to understand.
He got paid over 3 million a year for his time in the UFC and they publicly stood by him when he fucked up. What more does he deserve? Keep in mind his big complaint was that they kept feeding him wrestlers.
No one but the owners get $3 million a year and more. No fighters are paid more than $500k a fight, and I think that was only with Lesnar.
More than one fighter has serious beef with Zuffa, so either all of those fighters are whiners or the problem is Zuffa.
I'm pretty sure GSP and Anderson make more than $500K per fight.
Also, between 2007 and 2012, Rampage made $15.2 million with Zuffa. Check the link below. The source is Dana, but Rampage never denied or provided evidence to refute Dana's assertions.
DaddyRich - NFL players can be cut at any time. Their contracts aren't guaranteed for future years. If a player is cut during the season they are still paid for that season. I think the difference between UFC fighters and NFL players is the NFL players have a union that looks after their rights.
They try to, but their union is pretty weak. In fact outside of MLBPA all the unions in sports are pretty weak. <img alt="Phone Post" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align: middle;" /></blockquote>
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Maybe weak compared to other pro sports unions but it's light years ahead of what fighters have.</blockquote>
Honestly though, I understand how a union would help the low end fighters but what would a union have done for Rampage? <img alt="Phone Post" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align: middle;" /></blockquote>
LOL at this propoganda.
The sports unions benefit the top earners FAR more than they benefit the bottom earners. It isn't even debatable.
Same is true of SAG. You see Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt opting out?
Ridiculous comment.
Dubate spouting off again about things he/she doesn't know about.
Actually if you could elaborate on how sports unions benefit the top earners more than the bottom earners, it'd be appreciated. Please provide sources as well.
Here are some examples of what a union might have done:
1. Prohibited lifetime assignments of likeness rights (Ali sold a majority interest in a company holding his licensing rights for $50 million, and still gets payments of over a million a year--every year with the remaining percentage);
2. Limited use of likeness rights to the promotion and monetization of bouts;
3. Negotiated group licensing splits, entitling the players to a split of the video game revenue, trading cards, action figures, collectibles and the like (as opposed to the nothing they got in the current deal);
4. Required full disclosure of all revenue sources so agents/athletes know the size of the revenue pool;
5. Lobbied for more favorable legislation;
6. Negotiated protections and uniform standards relating to sponsorships.
DaddyRich - NFL players can be cut at any time. Their contracts aren't guaranteed for future years. If a player is cut during the season they are still paid for that season. I think the difference between UFC fighters and NFL players is the NFL players have a union that looks after their rights.
They try to, but their union is pretty weak. In fact outside of MLBPA all the unions in sports are pretty weak. <img alt="Phone Post" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align: middle;" /></blockquote>
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Maybe weak compared to other pro sports unions but it's light years ahead of what fighters have.</blockquote>
Honestly though, I understand how a union would help the low end fighters but what would a union have done for Rampage? <img alt="Phone Post" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align: middle;" /></blockquote>
LOL at this propoganda.
The sports unions benefit the top earners FAR more than they benefit the bottom earners. It isn't even debatable.
Same is true of SAG. You see Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt opting out?
Ridiculous comment.
Dubate spouting off again about things he/she doesn't know about.
Actually if you could elaborate on how sports unions benefit the top earners more than the bottom earners, it'd be appreciated. Please provide sources as well.
rampage will fight 1 time a year, he will fight a wrestler get taken down and lose and will blame everyone except himself. He will get into pro wrestling and decides life on the road is not for him then wants back in the ufc, but its too late. He looks to make more movies but sadly nobody is biting, he is left with no more money and is pondering what next.
TNA wrestlers don't have to travel much and most of their events are held in the same place.
DaddyRich - NFL players can be cut at any time. Their contracts aren't guaranteed for future years. If a player is cut during the season they are still paid for that season. I think the difference between UFC fighters and NFL players is the NFL players have a union that looks after their rights.
They try to, but their union is pretty weak. In fact outside of MLBPA all the unions in sports are pretty weak. <img alt="Phone Post" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align: middle;" /></blockquote>
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Maybe weak compared to other pro sports unions but it's light years ahead of what fighters have.</blockquote>
Honestly though, I understand how a union would help the low end fighters but what would a union have done for Rampage? <img alt="Phone Post" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align: middle;" /></blockquote>
LOL at this propoganda.
The sports unions benefit the top earners FAR more than they benefit the bottom earners. It isn't even debatable.
Same is true of SAG. You see Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt opting out?
Ridiculous comment.
Dubate spouting off again about things he/she doesn't know about.
Actually if you could elaborate on how sports unions benefit the top earners more than the bottom earners, it'd be appreciated. Please provide sources as well.
Sources?
MLBPA, NFLPA, NBAPA, NHLPA, and SAG.
Feel free to research.
So you're not going to elaborate on how sports unions benefit the top earners more than the bottom earners??
LOL! Macedawg, you're a one man comedy show! Keep doing you!!
Let me lay it out more directly to aid in your uptake.
Who do you think benefits from the protection of licensing rights? Is it the rookie/average player, or the star? (Hint--that is why I put Ali in the brackets--to clue you in as to the size of the revenue streams, and WHO gets those deals--it isn't the rookie).
Next. Who benefits from the benefit plans that the unions establish--which have lengthy service requirements to vest. (Typically the star has a lengthy career).
Next. The unions negotiate splits of revenue between ownership and talent. Who gets capped on this revenue? Oh, that's right--the rookies. You see a cap on Tom Brady's or Albert Pujols salary? No? Me neither. Who is capped though? The incoming rookies are now capped--to ENSURE more revenue is distributed to the established stars.
Let me lay it out more directly to aid in your uptake.
Who do you think benefits from the protection of licensing rights? Is it the rookie/average player, or the star? (Hint--that is why I put Ali in the brackets--to clue you in as to the size of the revenue streams, and WHO gets those deals--it isn't the rookie).
Next. Who benefits from the benefit plans that the unions establish--which have lengthy service requirements to vest. (Typically the star has a lengthy career).
Next. The unions negotiate splits of revenue between ownership and talent. Who gets capped on this revenue? Oh, that's right--the rookies. You see a cap on Tom Brady's or Albert Pujols salary? No? Me neither. Who is capped though? The incoming rookies are now capped--to ENSURE more revenue is distributed to the established stars.
LOL...why don't you put this info out there to begin with? But don't get angry...it's gonna be ok. It's just the internet. Thanks for doing the research and saving me time!
Good for Rampage I hope he'll be happy and treated well. Fighters have a limited amount of time to make money and be healthy so along with being great fighters they need to be astute about their business decisions so they don't wind up broke and with tons of ailments and injuries. Even if you dislike Bellator or Rampage you have to respect his decision to take care of himself and his family.
