ro-BS-on...
"DOD, your very wrong about this. Robson and I actually went to the same chiropracter and the Dr. him self told me that Robson's back was really screwed up from the accident, so dont belittle anyones injuries.
fhk2 "
if ro-BS-on's chirodoc told you about his "condition", then he violated doc/patient confidentiality. i call BS again
fhk2,
Well, why don't you tell us all about Robson's injury? You said in an earlier post that it happened "five years ago," which would have been about 2001.
Here's something else I'd like to know. Robson supposedly got his BJJ BB from Sakata in 1994 or 1995, came to this country in 1995, and suffered his "debilitating injury" about 2001. That means that for five or six years, between 1995 and 2001, he was a young, uninjured BJJ BB from Brazil in the US. During this time, there was a skyrocketing interest in BJJ because of Royce Gracie's UFC victories that began in late 1993 with the first UFC. Robson could have opened his own school and made money hand over fist. Why didn't he? Why did he wait until 2005 to tell anyone he was a BJJ BB? According to Nick Masington himself, Robson showed up at his school, and, after several weeks of questioning by Masington, finally admitted to being a BJJ BB. Very strange...
Furthermore, you yourself posted that Robson told you that Sakata got his black belt from Carlson Gracie, Sr. Months earlier, though, on another forum, one of Carlson's students had asked Carlson if he knew any Sakata, and Carlson replied that he only knew a Sukata.
Finally, fhk2, tell Nick to come up with a new lie about who knows Sakata--I've already busted him on the "Mansor knows Sakata" lie.
Fuck buying DoD a six or 12-pack...I'd let him fuck my sister as a reward for his efforts.
lol @ "Robson showed up at his school, and, after several weeks of questioning by Masington, finally admitted to being a BJJ BB. Very strange..."
Again I will say why doesn't Robson come clean. Provide full lineage with documentation. Even a picture of him receiving his belt or competing in a comp, or even hanging out in a jiu-jitsu school with a belt color on. Anything, to bolster his claims. But the problem is he can't. I agree with most people's assessment of the situation, it appears like he bought a belt.
HHH--I take it you're not Orthodox?
"DOD, your very wrong about this. Robson and I actually went to the same chiropracter and the Dr. him self told me that Robson's back was really screwed up from the accident, so dont belittle anyones injuries. "
LOL. First Chiropractors are not medical doctors no matter what they say. A chiropractor is about as qualified to diagnose actual spine injuries and trauma as your dentist. The exception are chiropractors who are also MDs and have actual medical practice in their background. Otherwise most wouldnt know an actual spine injury or herniated disk even if it was staring them in the face.
If you can get an actual MD or orthopedic surgeon to vouch for Robson's injuries then that would be a different story.
And even if Robson got half his body cut off in a freak accident, it still wouldnt change any lies over the whole Sukata/Sakata business.
Looks like Robson and Masington have hit bottom and are continuing to dig as hard as possible.
If Rigan has now sold Robson a black belt, I don't know why it would even matter if he fradulently claimed to be one before.
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"If Rigan has now sold Robson a black belt, I don't know why it would even matter if he fraudulently claimed to be one before."
Oh, but it does matter--you see, Rigan, in writing, recognizes the rank of black belt as conferred upon Robson by Sakata:
http://www.rpfightingsystems.com/credentials.html
So if Sakata heretofore did not exist except as a figment of Robson's and Masington's imagination, does he now exist because Rigan said he gave a black belt to Robson?
"Shouldnt his skill level be the most important?"
Yes, absolutely.
But in lieu of rolling with him ourselves, we have to take the word of others. It is a system of trust. If the word of others comes into doubt, then his skill comes into doubt. If this happens with enough people, then no one trusts anyone's rank, and the whole ecosystem becomes permanently polluted with distrust.
So if you care that BJJ belts mean anything, then you should care about this.
"Rigan thinks this guy is a legit 2nd degree black, he must have rolled with him at one point in time."
I hope so.
"Shouldn't his skill level be the most important?"
Ordinarily yes, but I can think of exceptions. If a legit black belt did suffer a debilitating injury that kept him from ever rolling at black belt level again, I wouldn't have a problem with his being promoted to second degree so that he could teach and promote at some little school.
I get the impression that this is the story being crafted around Robson--except that he never was a black belt to begin with and may have never suffered a debilitating injury.
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"If a legit black belt did suffer a debilitating injury that kept him from ever rolling at black belt level again, I wouldn't have a problem with his being promoted to second degree so that he could teach and promote at some little school".
DoD, I notice you always include the word "little" when you say this. I wouldn't have a problem with him teaching at a big school either...IF he was a legit black belt to begin with.
To the others........as for skill level, even if he can tap Rickson himself, does that give him the right to lie and say he was a black belt in the first place if he wasn't? Does that excuse his behavior? As long as you have skills you can do and say whatever you want?
Why not just be up front and say?, "I'm not a black belt but I'm a bad motherfucker and I'll prove it to you by rolling with you and handing you your ass". Do we hand out black belts to every bad motherfucker out there?
Does Randy Couture wear a BJJ black belt? Matt Lindland? Gokor? Judo Gene? Just because you can grapple doesn't make you a BJJ black belt and give you immunity to lie.
If these guys had any proof whatsoever of Robson's original black belt, they would glady shove it up the collective ass of everyone who has posted on this thread.
Real Position,
I agree with everything you said in your last post. I simply say "little" school because that's what it is in Robson's case--a little school in a small town.
I personally believe that an important part of BJJ is being able to transmit the art to others through teaching. So even if a legit BJJ BB suffers a debilitating injury and never rolls at BB level again, he still knows what it takes to become a BB, and he can help others achieve that goal by sharing what he knows as a teacher.
A big, strong, buffed NCAA wrestler might be able to pick up some submissions and beat a BJJ BB, but that doesn't mean that he should be awarded a BJJ BB. He can't teach his size, strength, and prodigious athletic ability to those who are smaller and not as athletically gifted. Now if he learns BJJ inside and out, then he'll be able to teach the smaller and not as athletically gifted good BJJ technique that will do them some good.
absolutely positive it's not mario?
I didn't see that this info has already been posted, but for what it's worth: Usually there are diplomas/certificates for BJJ BBs. I believe that the CBJJ has a template diploma to use, but some schools use their own (http://www.leonardoxavier.com/About/certificate.jpg). My instructors have their CBJJ Faixa Preta diplomas on the wall at the academy. I also have seen on de La Riva's website (not up at the moment) that he had scanned his CBJJ Faixa Preta wallet I.D. card. This I.D. card had his rank & picture on it. I don't know how standard these items are for BBs that don't compete in CBJJ tournaments or don't want/have a CBJJ accredited academy, though. Perhaps this Robson guy has similar CBJJ credentials floating around?
Also, not all BJJ BBs have a red sash on their belts. For example, Caique has BB's with either a white or a red sash.(http://www.caiquejiujitsu.com/images/Black_Belt_letter_002.jpg) But, maybe that's just the way he runs things.
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ummmm, he lost it on the flight from brazil
That's what I have been saying all along, Jason.
There should be plenty of evidence out there if he cares to produce it. Photos, certificates, competition results, references of the guys he 'came up with' who would now also be black belts. I mean I have lots of photos with me competing as a blue and purple. My name is listed at tournaments that I placed. I have certificates.
Know what Im sayin? Come up with a history. Show us some photos as a purple and brown. Show us some competition results at those divisions. Produce some photos with notable BJJ people at purple and brown belt. Bust out the names of guys Robson trained with, and probably got their black belts around the same time.
Til then...I say BS. And I am very sorry but it appears that Rigan & others got duped.
