The reason for the IV ban has nothing to do with weight cutting. It's because fighters were using IV's to flush out the remnants of PED use. With the new drug testing the IV's had to go. Fighters who were clean but cutting a huge amount of weight and using IV's are just collateral damage in all this. They might want to think about losing some real weight or moving up a division, like Weidman or Conor.
Stea1th -VUJuryJiuJitsu -The argument is you are purposely putting your body into a sever compromised situation to the point where your body is shutting down and refusing nutrients and water...Stea1th - If you are having issues keeping down food/water due to a drastic weight cut than obviously you are harming your body to make the weight.
Lol at trying to argue for IV if you can keep down water orally, yet you want a pass to fight? Hahaha
What is your argument here? You ever cut weight? A guy being dehydrated and not being able to eat/drink is more common than you think. I'm not sure if they're just not doing their cuts properly, but I see this issue all the time.
In which athletes are using a medical procedure to rehydrate.
You've passed the point of natural and the whole purpose of the IV ban is to stop doping which is a much bigger issue. There really isn't any valid argument for needing an IV.
You don't see the the issue?
Scorched Earth - The reason for the IV ban has nothing to do with weight cutting. It's because fighters were using IV's to flush out the remnants of PED use. With the new drug testing the IV's had to go. Fighters who were clean but cutting a huge amount of weight and using IV's are just collateral damage in all this. They might want to think about losing some real weight or moving up a division, like Weidman or Conor.
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Stea1th -JuryJiuJitsu -The argument is you are purposely putting your body into a sever compromised situation to the point where your body is shutting down and refusing nutrients and water...Stea1th - If you are having issues keeping down food/water due to a drastic weight cut than obviously you are harming your body to make the weight.
Lol at trying to argue for IV if you can keep down water orally, yet you want a pass to fight? Hahaha
What is your argument here? You ever cut weight? A guy being dehydrated and not being able to eat/drink is more common than you think. I'm not sure if they're just not doing their cuts properly, but I see this issue all the time.
In which athletes are using a medical procedure to rehydrate.
You've passed the point of natural and the whole purpose of the IV ban is to stop doping which is a much bigger issue. There really isn't any valid argument for needing an IV.
You don't see the the issue?
Other fighters are shutting down, not mine. My cuts have always gone perfect.
The other part of this was already addressed in the previous comment.
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NBKfanforlife -I think fighters need to start getting smarter about nutrition and meal timing. I had a fight two weeks ago, used a performance nutrition book that had a section specifically for fighter who cut weight. Outlined what to eat and how often, specifically referencing how to replenish after you've been dieting all week and cut water weight.JuryJiuJitsu -I don't know. I think that weight isn't the advantage that some people think it is. Height , yes. But not so much weight. I'd take a tough natural fighter who fights close to his weight over a guy who tries to cut and rehydrate massive amounts.YOURDADDYDEVILANDLORD - What about fighting closer to your natural weight?
Yeah, there's some positves taking this route, not having to cut being the biggest one. But it's hard to ignore the facts of the disadvantages you face due to the guys that cut down.
Honestly, when I'm cutting weight, that is when I have the absolute best intake and feel my best, which comes from being 100% disciplined in camp. So it's just part of the process that keeps me focused and working hard at all times. Everyone is different though.
I think that because everyone cuts so much weight, we haven't seen the benefits of staying close to fight weight yet.
3 weeks out from the fight, I was walking around 185 (I fight 170). Over the course of two weeks, I slimmed down to 176. Fight week, I was able to drop down to 173.5, and Friday morning I cut the last 4 lbs in a bath tub w Epsom salts. Weighed in at 169.4 feeling with a decent amount of energy before replenishing. I was 179 when I walked into the cage saturday
I felt the best I'd ever felt for a fight. I was fast, but retained all my strength. No muscle fatigue when warming up and felt I could run a marathon that night if I needed to.
My point is, I didn't cut a crazy amount of weight for this fight, and yet I was as fast and strong as ive ever been thanks to smart replenishment and rest leading into the fight. Fighters that are shedding a stupid amount of weight to make weight aren't being diligent in their nutrition and probably need to make some changes in their diet
Fight at a more natural weight.
Weight cutting is a joke.
Bad Monkey -PWNDTheBigRedOne -Carne de cavalo é o melhor - Rectal hydration
No. There is no such thing. Only on this forum can stupid shit be rumored.
Open your mind. And your anus if you're thirsty.
Proctoclysis a.k.a. Rectal Rehydration
Rectal infusion (proctoclysis) was effectively employed as an emergency treatment during the First World War for combat casualties and routinely used for infusion in clinical settings before the development of IV techniques and equipment rendered the technique redundant. In 2005 a now often cited article described an occasion where improvised proctoclysis in a remote setting was effectively used to treat and initially stabilise a casualty in a remote setting, re-igniting discussion on this technique as an emergency treatment in a remote environment.
Rectal Rehydration can provide a simple, safe and effective means to rehydrate a casualty who is unconscious or nauseous and with less risk of adversely affecting their haemodynamic balance. The technique requires neither sterile fluids, special equipment or specific training.
Proctclysis may be of benefit for those who work in developing countries or rural areas, where there can be little access to hospital care or where sterile cannula, fluids and giving sets are expensive. It could also be useful in mass casualty situations where clinical teams must administer fluid resuscitation despite having insufficient intravenous equipment or nursing staff. The primary aim of proctoclysis in such emergency situations is to provide initial fluid resuscitation in advance of rapid evacuation for further care in a dedicated medical facility.
Equipment
The 2005 article explains the improved use of a Foley catheter for rectal infusion. This is specialist piece of equipment and unlikely to be found in any First Aid kit, what the remote medic might have at their disposal is aCamelbak style hydration system and tape. A couple of other simple, small and cheap items make the following process a little easier and more effective.
Camelbak style hydration system. Theirs, not yours.
Water-based lubricant
1 Ltr clean water
Tape
Oral Rehydration Solution
Sheets / blankets
Morpheus1976 - i can't imagine that re-hydrating with IV bags is healthy, it goes way too fast. look to me its better to do it orally because it will be at a lower pace.
Part of the issue is that you need time to eat and digest also and having a belly full of fluid gets in the way.
Is rehydrating with glass bottles not an option?
Would putting the weigh-in two days before the fight be a good option? The only possible draw back in my mind would be someone thinking they could use the two days to rehydrate from an extreme weight cut that would be potentially life threatening. I wonder now, without IVs how much more does it impact fighters health and performance?
It will be interesting to see if there's an abundance of flash KO's of people who have usually been seen to have strong chins.
Three pages in and no GIF of Bear Grylls sticking a tube up his ass on the raft....I'm not sure if I am happy or disappointed in this....
Jury are you still dropping to 145? I always thought u were a good sized LW. Thats gotta be a tough cut.
StrikingMMA - Is rehydrating with glass bottles not an option?That's exactly what I was thinking. The only substance they test for is the residual from the plastic bags. A glass bottle should be fine.
DCyrus - Would putting the weigh-in two days before the fight be a good option? The only possible draw back in my mind would be someone thinking they could use the two days to rehydrate from an extreme weight cut that would be potentially life threatening. I wonder now, without IVs how much more does it impact fighters health and performance?
It will be interesting to see if there's an abundance of flash KO's of people who have usually been seen to have strong chins.
In theory it sounds like a great idea, but the cuts would for sure start getting on the extreme level. I think 24 hours before is best.
RiddumRed - Jury are you still dropping to 145? I always thought u were a good sized LW. Thats gotta be a tough cut.
Yes sir, 145 it is. I've been begging for a fight and it's been difficult to get one, so hopefully I have somehing lined up soon.
Fortunately, the water / IV side of this isn't a big deal for me, more of a process of evolving and learning. I was actually not heavy at 155 and somehow had a body fat of 16-17% (yeah, I'm still surprised by that, but it's true). So once I got with George Lockhart at FitnessVT.com and taking my nutrition to the highest level as I should have long ago, I kept my muscle/size and cut off the body fat. That's how 145 came into play.
Royce Gracie didn't care about weight divisions.
LiquidCobra - Royce Gracie didn't care about weight divisions.Royce also juiced
TheBigRedOne -Bad Monkey -TheBigRedOne -Carne de cavalo é o melhor - Rectal hydration
No. There is no such thing. Only on this forum can stupid shit be rumored.
Open your mind. And your anus if you're thirsty.
Proctoclysis a.k.a. Rectal Rehydration
Rectal infusion (proctoclysis) was effectively employed as an emergency treatment during the First World War for combat casualties and routinely used for infusion in clinical settings before the development of IV techniques and equipment rendered the technique redundant. In 2005 a now often cited article described an occasion where improvised proctoclysis in a remote setting was effectively used to treat and initially stabilise a casualty in a remote setting, re-igniting discussion on this technique as an emergency treatment in a remote environment.
Rectal Rehydration can provide a simple, safe and effective means to rehydrate a casualty who is unconscious or nauseous and with less risk of adversely affecting their haemodynamic balance. The technique requires neither sterile fluids, special equipment or specific training.
Proctclysis may be of benefit for those who work in developing countries or rural areas, where there can be little access to hospital care or where sterile cannula, fluids and giving sets are expensive. It could also be useful in mass casualty situations where clinical teams must administer fluid resuscitation despite having insufficient intravenous equipment or nursing staff. The primary aim of proctoclysis in such emergency situations is to provide initial fluid resuscitation in advance of rapid evacuation for further care in a dedicated medical facility.
Equipment
The 2005 article explains the improved use of a Foley catheter for rectal infusion. This is specialist piece of equipment and unlikely to be found in any First Aid kit, what the remote medic might have at their disposal is aCamelbak style hydration system and tape. A couple of other simple, small and cheap items make the following process a little easier and more effective.
Camelbak style hydration system. Theirs, not yours.
Water-based lubricant
1 Ltr clean water
Tape
Oral Rehydration Solution
Sheets / blankets
What idiot fighters are going stick something up their asses?
To even bring this up is ludicrous.
Godzilla
Spinning Shit -JuryJiuJitsu -But if everyone is in the same boat what would the difference be in fighting closer to your natural weight?YOURDADDYDEVILANDLORD - What about fighting closer to your natural weight?
Yeah, there's some positves taking this route, not having to cut being the biggest one. But it's hard to ignore the facts of the disadvantages you face due to the guys that cut down.
Honestly, when I'm cutting weight, that is when I have the absolute best intake and feel my best, which comes from being 100% disciplined in camp. So it's just part of the process that keeps me focused and working hard at all times. Everyone is different though.
I understand pre-IV ban your natural weight class was occupied by guys that had 25+ pounds on you. Now that they will either be completely exhausted or out of the weight class entirely, what are the downsides to fighting closer to your "walking around" weight (so a 10~15 lbs cut)?
EXACTLY.