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ShowtimeWreckedMyLeever -MasterofMartialArts -It's funny how many guys careers do 180's after fighting gsp.Rudi -I guess you missed the part where I said number 2 at the very least....and you do realize he did sub GSP in their first fight right? I'm not saying he would always dominate GSP (GSP won 2x), but its not like he never did or couldn't have beat GSP in his prime. Hell, when GSP beat him you could argue he was at the tail end of his career.MasterofMartialArts - LOL. What a unintelligent post. If Matt Hughes was in his prime today, he would be number 2 in the division, at the VERY least, if not the dominating champ.LOL @ Dominating champ. Dominating who? Not GSP.
No one is ever the same.
That's because they think to themselves "should I waste my time training my ass off just to get held down by an athletic dude who only dominates because of the way the rules are set up"
Neil McCauley - I could see a prime matt hughes losing to everyone of those guys in the top 10 ...
along with mike pierce, jon fitch, thiago alves, kazuo misaki, jay heiron, tyrone woodley, tarec saffedine, nate marquart, ben askren, bj penn ... and others I cant think of on the top of my head.
Seriously, when was matt hughes in his prime and who was he beating?
Hughes's prime was roughly 2001-06
Who did he beat? For a while everyone they put in front of him.
Royce Gracie
Georges St-Pierre
B.J. Penn
Frank Trigg x2
Sean Sherk
Hayato Sakurai
Carlos Newton x 2
If Hughes was in his prime today, he would be training like people do today so his skill set would be greater. I won't try to say he would be mauling people but to say he wouldn't be in the top 2 or 3 is asinine.
MasterofMartialArts -Rudi -MasterofMartialArts - LOL. What a unintelligent post. If Matt Hughes was in his prime today, he would be number 2 in the division, at the VERY least, if not the dominating champ.LOL @ Dominating champ. Dominating who? Not GSP. <img alt="Phone Post" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align:middle;" /></blockquote> I guess you missed the part where I said number 2 at the very least....and you do realize he did sub GSP in their first fight right? I'm not saying he would always dominate GSP (GSP won 2x), but its not like he never did or couldn't have beat GSP in his prime. Hell, when GSP beat him you could argue he was at the tail end of his career. <img alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" src="/images/phone/apple.png" style="vertical-align:middle;" /></blockquote>
GSP was nowhere near his prime in 2004, hughes would be top 5 but prime for prime GSP would be #1 still.
dubate -Neil McCauley - I could see a prime matt hughes losing to everyone of those guys in the top 10 ...
along with mike pierce, jon fitch, thiago alves, kazuo misaki, jay heiron, tyrone woodley, tarec saffedine, nate marquart, ben askren, bj penn ... and others I cant think of on the top of my head.
Seriously, when was matt hughes in his prime and who was he beating?Hughes's prime was roughly 2001-06
Who did he beat? For a while everyone they put in front of him.
Royce Gracie
Georges St-Pierre
B.J. Penn
Frank Trigg x2
Sean Sherk
Hayato Sakurai
Carlos Newton x 2
If Hughes was in his prime today, he would be training like people do today so his skill set would be greater. I won't try to say he would be mauling people but to say he wouldn't be in the top 2 or 3 is asinine.
Na, Hughes would be Lucky to be top 15 against the far more "proven" current guys.
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dubate -Neil McCauley - I could see a prime matt hughes losing to everyone of those guys in the top 10 ...
along with mike pierce, jon fitch, thiago alves, kazuo misaki, jay heiron, tyrone woodley, tarec saffedine, nate marquart, ben askren, bj penn ... and others I cant think of on the top of my head.
Seriously, when was matt hughes in his prime and who was he beating?Hughes's prime was roughly 2001-06
Who did he beat? For a while everyone they put in front of him.
Royce Gracie
Georges St-Pierre
B.J. Penn
Frank Trigg x2
Sean Sherk
Hayato Sakurai
Carlos Newton x 2
If Hughes was in his prime today, he would be training like people do today so his skill set would be greater. I won't try to say he would be mauling people but to say he wouldn't be in the top 2 or 3 is asinine.
The skill set prime hughes had would get him a ton of losses vs the welterweight division these days. Sure you can claim he would be a greater fighter because he would have more modern training, but that guy never existed. Prime hughes was largely the same fighter who was crushed by guys like alves and koscheck. Both those guys are barely cracking the top 10. I think it is asinine to think hughes would be top 2 or 3 in todays division.
Neil McCauley -dubate -Neil McCauley - I could see a prime matt hughes losing to everyone of those guys in the top 10 ...
along with mike pierce, jon fitch, thiago alves, kazuo misaki, jay heiron, tyrone woodley, tarec saffedine, nate marquart, ben askren, bj penn ... and others I cant think of on the top of my head.
Seriously, when was matt hughes in his prime and who was he beating?Hughes's prime was roughly 2001-06
Who did he beat? For a while everyone they put in front of him.
Royce Gracie
Georges St-Pierre
B.J. Penn
Frank Trigg x2
Sean Sherk
Hayato Sakurai
Carlos Newton x 2
If Hughes was in his prime today, he would be training like people do today so his skill set would be greater. I won't try to say he would be mauling people but to say he wouldn't be in the top 2 or 3 is asinine.
The skill set prime hughes had would get him a ton of losses vs the welterweight division these days. Sure you can claim he would be a greater fighter because he would have more modern training, but that guy never existed. Prime hughes was largely the same fighter who was crushed by guys like alves and koscheck. Both those guys are barely cracking the top 10. I think it is asinine to think hughes would be top 2 or 3 in todays division.
The guys you're saying would beat him didn't exist when he was in his prime either. Some came around when he was on the down slope of his career. When you don't use TRT and a whole lot of other "supplements" that down slope is awfully fucking steep.
So if you are going to compare him to the fighters of today you have to accept the fact that if he really was fighting today he'd have a much more diversified skill set (mixed in with his dominant wrestling an incredible strength).
It's why when they list the greatest boxers of all time no one says Jack Johnson sucks because he would get picked apart by today's average heavyweight. You assume a dominant champion of an earlier era would have the skills of today fighter.
1. Thiago Alves got a title shot by coming in overweight and winning agains Matt Hughes
2.Neil won't attempt to list the current to 14 welterweights best 5 wins, to compare them to Matt Hughes, so don't even bother arguing with him because for some reason, Neil is totally underestimating Prime Matt Hughes.
D241 -1. Thiago Alves got a title shot by coming in overweight and winning agains Matt Hughes
2.Neil won't attempt to list the current to 14 welterweights best 5 wins, to compare them to Matt Hughes, so don't even bother arguing with him because for some reason, Neil is totally underestimating Prime Matt Hughes.
Just give me a list of the Welterweights who have beaten the top 5 fighters in their division.
What's funny is the same guys that defend GSP for his boring style, their #1 argument is his competition is so good.
But Matt Hughes wasn't that good, so lets look at Matt Hughes' best wins, compare them with the current top 14 welterweights', and if they don't match up to his accomplishments, can you still say GSP's opponents are that great?
Consistency always trumps dumb opinions like Munsters/McCauleys(Neil McCauley is actually a great poster with good knowledge, just on this issue he's very ignorant)
MasterofMartialArts - LOL. What a unintelligent post. If Matt Hughes was in his prime today, he would be number 2 in the division, at the VERY least, if not the dominating champ.
Right...
D241 -What's funny is the same guys that defend GSP for his boring style, their #1 argument is his competition is so good.
But Matt Hughes wasn't that good, so lets look at Matt Hughes' best wins, compare them with the current top 14 welterweights', and if they don't match up to his accomplishments, can you still say GSP's opponents are that great?
Consistency always trumps dumb opinions like Munsters/McCauleys(Neil McCauley is actually a great poster with good knowledge, just on this issue he's very ignorant)
People seem to think that not liking a fighter = that fighter sucks.
Matt hughes was the most dominant fighter in the WW division. Sure now its GSP but GSP cant finish a single fight while matt hughes was taking everyone out. You cant pretend that it didnt happen.
Comparing todays fighters with last generations fighters is impossible. These fighters today have been watching and improving on the fighters they saw coming up. Dont you think Hughes would of done the same thing if he came out now?
Or what if hughes just got into the UFC right now and in 3 years worked his way to a title shot. He was younger and in better shape and trained like they train today. Then he fights a GSP on his way out and of course beats him. Would we then be having the conversation of how GSP couldnt compete with those guys?
dubate -Neil McCauley -dubate -Neil McCauley - I could see a prime matt hughes losing to everyone of those guys in the top 10 ...
along with mike pierce, jon fitch, thiago alves, kazuo misaki, jay heiron, tyrone woodley, tarec saffedine, nate marquart, ben askren, bj penn ... and others I cant think of on the top of my head.
Seriously, when was matt hughes in his prime and who was he beating?Hughes's prime was roughly 2001-06
Who did he beat? For a while everyone they put in front of him.
Royce Gracie
Georges St-Pierre
B.J. Penn
Frank Trigg x2
Sean Sherk
Hayato Sakurai
Carlos Newton x 2
If Hughes was in his prime today, he would be training like people do today so his skill set would be greater. I won't try to say he would be mauling people but to say he wouldn't be in the top 2 or 3 is asinine.
The skill set prime hughes had would get him a ton of losses vs the welterweight division these days. Sure you can claim he would be a greater fighter because he would have more modern training, but that guy never existed. Prime hughes was largely the same fighter who was crushed by guys like alves and koscheck. Both those guys are barely cracking the top 10. I think it is asinine to think hughes would be top 2 or 3 in todays division.The guys you're saying would beat him didn't exist when he was in his prime either. Some came around when he was on the down slope of his career. When you don't use TRT and a whole lot of other "supplements" that down slope is awfully fucking steep.
So if you are going to compare him to the fighters of today you have to accept the fact that if he really was fighting today he'd have a much more diversified skill set (mixed in with his dominant wrestling an incredible strength).
It's why when they list the greatest boxers of all time no one says Jack Johnson sucks because he would get picked apart by today's average heavyweight. You assume a dominant champion of an earlier era would have the skills of today fighter.
Neil, WTF happened too you man?
Did you one day not so long ago just start reading from the book of dumb?
U want a list of guys Matt beat, you got and still want to engage (fuckin dumb ass list to ask for BTW)?
Prime Matt was fuckin beast. Cool?
It's all good. Some of us post here so much we interact with each other that we need to find out "quarks" about each other.
For instance orcus is full of shit when it comes to Fedor, BJ, K1 striking, and Pride, but is solid, I mean REAL solid on many other opics.
Myself, I can get shit for "stalking" orcus and being too nitpicky about big fights that are very lackluster(past few GSP fights, Machida vs Rampage/Henderson)
Kostakio loves Fedor more than anyone, as well as getting vote ups
Lay N Pray Ninja is obsessed with Anderson in an unhealthy way, as well as being your best friend when you agree with him, your worst enemy when you don'ot
Malvert the Janitor loves BJ more than Kostakio/Fedor and Lay N Pray/Anderson love their guy.
LazerMMA gets really pissed off if someone doesn' spell his internet handle correctly
And now we have learned, Neil McCauley really doesn't like Matt Hughes and will go far out of his way to discredit him, so much as to even claim Prime Matt Hughes wouldn't be able to be a top 15 welterweight of 2013.
I love our disfunctional family.
I remember Hughes beating GSP in his prime. No? UFC 50 or so? 
panthonyjr - I remember Hughes beating GSP in his prime. No? UFC 50 or so?
How is a fighter in his prime 2 years after going pro?
EvilMaster - Matt Hughes is a true fighter. You either are a true fighter, or you aren't a true fighter. It isn't something that can be taught, you are just born that way.
If Matt was in his prime today, that would mean that he would be training up to todays standards. So, just like he dominated in his day, with the training standards of that day. He would do the same today.
imo.
Lol. It isnt something u can be taught? Hahaha wow