"He took an australian from nothing, to being able to beat Renzo in ADCC, in about 1 year."
Def an upset but he won by takedown. Any BJJ guy can be taken down.
"The best no-gi coach? John Donehue www.extremejjg.com
He took an australian from nothing, to being able to beat Renzo in ADCC, in about 1 year. Mind you, John has trained a lot with Rico Chiapperrelli.
my $0.02"
You must be fucking kidding! That was the biggest bullshit match in ADCC history. From the beginning of the match he is just running, I mean running from Renzo. As so as points time begins, he takes renzo down and for the next 5 minutes he HOLDS ON FOR DEAR LIFE.
Renzo is relentlessly being active going for a sub and this guy is just holding on for 5 minutes straight until the time expires. He should have gotten at least 2 minus points for this stalling, which would have then made him open up a little more perhaps.
But, in any case, it felt good to see him get all desperate in his next match against Kikuta when he was trailing behind in points with time running out.
"i have trained with alot of great guys"
Like who?
ROFLMAO,
Renzo did not produce Roger Gracie, Rogers father and gracie Barra did, Kyra as well. Roger never trained at Renzos for more than a month here in NYC, I love the BS PR spin put on things. Kyra arrived a year ago and Roger has never trained there as a regular student of Renzos. So who are you kidding naming Roger when it's his Father who has been teaching him since day one along with his time at GB.
Renzo is good, but he should not get credit for other peoples teachings because someone looked to have some guys to roll with for a few weeks to get ready.
I've trained w/ Eddie and Rico, and they are both fantastic coaches.
Eddie's only been teaching for 2 years, give him some time to build up some students.
well, it should be noted that:
"Renzo was one of the few persons who helped me a lot on it. He's a specialist and he knows a lot about no gi." - Roger Gracie
' Roger never trained at Renzos for more than a month here in NYC'
roger trained for 7 weeks before adcc with renzo.
roger trains 99% of the time with the gi and does no gi with renzo before adcc.
i know this cause i am a purple belt under roger and train with him in london.
as for the best no gi instructor....it's the gi!!!
bjjprim8- Renzo never claims that he taught Roger or Kyra everything, but they both give him a lot of credit for their success.
Additionally
bjjprim8- Renzo never claims that he taught Roger or Kyra everything, but they both give him a lot of credit for their success.
Additionally
Perhaps the title of the thread should be "Who is the most successful no-gi Coach"
Personally, for me its the Alliance lineage.
Leozinho and Marcelinho are both on a different planet compared to others in their weight category.
Also others Terere, Galvao, Telles, Damien Meia and Comprido have also had some success in no gi competition.
I know one of the most under-rated no-gi coaches is Grag Jackson from Albuquerque, NM.
My vote goes to either Renzo or Liborio.
American Top Team has more champs than I have fingers & toes.
Do you mean Ricco Chiperalli(sp)?
Ricardo Almeida has accomplished nothing ??? WTF ??
KING OF PANCRAESE !!! Choked out Rigan Machado as a brown Belt. Damn near snapped off the Arm of Mark Kerr, had many of the most memorable matches in addc history period.
He was entering his prime when he decided to focus on teaching and his family. The guy is a stud.
You are a Tool.
Almeida is awesome!
The best is Renzo Gracie..Noone has put out as many solid no-gi grapplers..No-one.
Let me get this straight Roger gets 7 weeks training at Renzos at that is what made him great and win ADCC ROFLMAO hatorade has nothing to do with this. It's the BS that comes from Renzo people about people saying they respect the advice given to them and that translates to he trained a champion. Galvao got some advice from Rickson before the pan ams should we say Rickson gets the credit for Galvao winning the Pan ams? Or maybe should we say his instructors who taught him should? Well same goes for Roger, if you want to give credit to Renzo do so for the guys he did put out Serra, Almeida, even Rodrigo, but not Roger and Kira they had major game way before going to Rnezos and the 7 weeks wasn't what won Roger his title. You people make it sound like Roger was struggling and cuoldn't win before he spent 7 weeks at Renzos he is a mundial champ for gods sakes.
^----lol...sippin da hateraid for sure..
bjjprim: who coached Roger at the 2003 ADCC? And this year? Was that Renzo sitting in his corner? Renzo had never been back to Gracie Barra once he hit NYC?
Nobody has said Renzo deserves all the credit for Roger and Kyra, just that he is one of the greatest no-gi instructors.
I think Renzo helped Roger, he did not make Roger.
I was recently at a Martial arts Hall of Fame Black tie dinner, at the reception I met and talked to Professor Manzur (sp?) and Carlos Machado. Professor told me stories of holding Renzo as a baby and how he has grown into one of the greatest instructors and coaches of BJJ. Carlos fealt that Renzo was one of possibly the most important figures in Martial Arts ever. They said the respect and love in their family for Renzo is great.
It was awesome to listen to them talk about old stories about Rickson, Rolles, JJ, Rigan etc. etc.