The We're Not Russian invasion

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                    <p><em><span style="line-height: 1.6em;">&ldquo;I asked if </span>Adlan<span style="line-height: 1.6em;">&nbsp;</span>Amagov</em><span style="line-height: 1.6em;"><em> was always like this before a fight, if this was normal for him.&nbsp;He said, &lsquo;I lived in a tent for seven years with Russians shooting at us from helicopters. In the cage, it&rsquo;s just a man.&rsquo; That was kind of like, wow, there&rsquo;s some perspective.&rdquo;</em></span><br />

-Mike Winkeljohn 

Adlan Amagov, Albert Tumenov, Khabib Nurmagomedov, Omari Ahkmedov, Rustam Khabilov and others have all put on dominating performances at the elite level of MMA. The names are unusual to American ears, so US fans often catalog them individually as The Hat Guy, The Bellator Scary Guy, etc. Collectively, they are "The Russian Invasion."

The thing is, they don't want to be called Russian. MMAjunkie's Ben Fowlkes spoke about it with with several people, including Murat "Master K" Keshtov, who runs K's Dojo in Fairfield, NJ.

Keshtov trains a lot of fighters that people call Russian, but if you call them Russian to their face, they will correct you. They often speak Russian to each other, as there are 30 some different languages spoken in the North Caucasus region where most of the fighters come from. But they consider themselves Chechnyan, or Circassian, or Dagestani, and that is just the Cs and Ds. 

“I know how it is,” said Keshtov. “Me, when I came here, every time I would be working somewhere, my co-workers would call me ‘The Russian guy.’ I’d say, ‘I’m not Russian!’ I’d explain to them where I was from and how it was different, and they’d listen to me. Then at the end, still, I’m the Russian guy. It made no difference.”

“I remember watching Ring of Combat. I was always thinking, ‘Man, I wish my guys were here. They would win easily.’ In my head, it was always this idea to make a team coming from our state.”

“That’s predominately where most of these fighters come from, probably 90 percent. The new wave of fighters in UFC and Bellator comes from the south part of Russia, the North Caucasus. It’s kind of an autonomous state. It’s like a little country within a country, but it’s officially part of Russia.”

“Wrestling, judo, sambo, anything to do with combat is very popular there. It’s been that way for hundreds of years. Eventually it becomes part of your culture without you realizing. If you’re a man there, especially, you have to be a fighter.”

“Here, for example, fighters are smarter (about their careers) in some ways. They’re savvy. They look at the situation and say, ‘Should I fight this guy? Does it make sense for me? He’s 10-0 and I’m 1-0, so no way I’m going to fight him.’ Especially you see this on the regional level. But over there, they fight anybody. You have two camps trying to negotiate a fight, and if one doesn’t take it, that’s an embarrassment. Everyone will look down on him, like it’s shameful. You disgraced our clan, our family, because you didn’t fight him.”

“I knew this could happen. For us, MMA was like, we have an opportunity to do this for a living? Hell yeah. That’s our middle name. Now, back there, MMA has taken over. You’re going to see a lot more of us.”

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Khabib ducking Michael Johnson. He has one fringe top 10 win against Healy and he thinks he's above fighting MJ. But according to Dana "no one wants to fight this guy". Phone Post 3.0

More like, "I'm not American, I'm Hawaiian."

Those Dagestani's are scary as fuck.  There culture is like someone growing up in pakistan with warlords and severe poverty.  The Russians are constantly fighting the Chechnan and Dag's.  It's a fucked up place to grow up and those cats fight just for making eye contact.

That environment must create a real sense of desperation.  And I think it shows in the way many of those guys fight.  Many of them exibit a will to take a shot just to land theirs.  Khabib will take several to wing out his shots, the guy is fearless.  They are fun to watch fight.  But many of them have hostile feelings towards Russians in general; due to the mass amount of oppression and military occupation.

Some of the stuff that pops up on Google is to graphic to show on here, so just take a look if you get a chance. 

 

I'd say more like "I'm not american, I'm an apache". Different languages, different cultures, autonomous state. Like a country inside a country.

kalt - Sounds kinda like me saying "I'm not American, I'm Texan."

I think theres more parallel with Puerto Rico.

Russian who gave that interview (Murat Keshtov) has already stated that this was a phone interview and his words were intentionally misinterpreted by the journalist.

http://forum.mixfight.ru/showthread.php?p=864912#post864912

Yesterday I spoke with Murat . And he called me and said the account of this interview ... very upset Says interpretation of his words. He said absolutely not what I meant , how they're presented ... Says those fighters who know me personally ( Oleinik and others) understand that this is not peculiar to his point of view , but those who are not familiar may decide that it is what it is nationalist. Maybe now the political moment touched the sport, but as Murat says the conversation was one, but seems to be a journalist and not distort the words themselves , but the meaning is not the one that informed invested Murat . Journalists are able to do ... By the way , Murat says journalist asked a lot on account of historical events related to the Russian - Caucasian relations ...

http://forum.mixfight.ru/showthread.php?p=864956#post864956

Just spoke with Murat. Butch stood talking ... He replied that he spoke with reporters on the phone and when the interview ofigel read wove ... Says there is any political slogans and sayings ... It would be ridiculous not to be so sad ...

They're not Russian

They're Caucasians



Dagestan, yep...best wrestlers in the world are from there. Total beasts.

I am not surprised at all they have guys doing well. But this is nothing, there are many more that are better than khabib, khabilov, etc. Its just that right now, there is no direct way for them to get to the U.S, so we mostly see stuff on the 'edges'.

I'd love to see some path for their world champ wrestlers to go to MMA. If Cormier is doing well...

Still Russian to me dammit! Phone Post 3.0

kalt - Sounds kinda like me saying "I'm not American, I'm Texan."

Really? That's what you understand from this?

It is not incorrect to call them Russian. Russian is a nationality, they are Russian in that they are citizens of Russia.

It is incorrect to say they are not Russian. The best parallel would be Canada at this point I suppose. Calling someone from Nunavut Canadian is correct. They are Canadian, but they are also Nunavutquim or something like that too.

So they are Dagestani(I think that would be the correct adjective) but they are also Russian. They are both.

It's like saying A New Yorker is NOT American. They are American, and they are a New Yorker. It's just nit picking.

Osbot - It is not incorrect to call them Russian. Russian is a nationality, they are Russian in that they are citizens of Russia.

It is incorrect to say they are not Russian. The best parallel would be Canada at this point I suppose. Calling someone from Nunavut Canadian is correct. They are Canadian, but they are also Nunavutquim or something like that too.

So they are Dagestani(I think that would be the correct adjective) but they are also Russian. They are both.

It's like saying A New Yorker is NOT American. They are American, and they are a New Yorker. It's just nit picking.
Wrong.

they are not russian by choice. Phone Post 3.0

I've seen this article everywhere, and I really don't get its purporse. Who the fuck doesn't realize that most of these guys aren't actually ethnic Russians?

I've seen pendantic comments about their ethnicities directed at "ignorant Americans/Westerners" every time that any of their names come up for the past two years.

I welcome the eastern European invasion. Phone Post 3.0

Osbot - It is not incorrect to call them Russian. Russian is a nationality, they are Russian in that they are citizens of Russia.

It is incorrect to say they are not Russian. The best parallel would be Canada at this point I suppose. Calling someone from Nunavut Canadian is correct. They are Canadian, but they are also Nunavutquim or something like that too.

So they are Dagestani(I think that would be the correct adjective) but they are also Russian. They are both.

It's like saying A New Yorker is NOT American. They are American, and they are a New Yorker. It's just nit picking.

It's not nit picking, you're just ignorant.

Dagestan for example only has 3.6% russian population. It's an autonomous republic with it's own flag, president and parlament. You can't find similar cases in America or Europe so it's kinda hard to compare or get an idea what's the state like. Just because Russia annexed the area in the 19th century doesn't make the inhabitants russian. Sure you can call them russian since it's on russian soil but that's not really telling of who they are. Like calling germans europeans.