so people should be do all manner of monkey-fuckery, but not a double leg....wow!
no wonder jiujitsu isgetting retarded if people think a double is to hard for a hobbiest to develop. Sure it is often neglected, but that is the instructors fault. If a double it to hard to learn then there is no hope to learn any takedowns or throws. So I guess the comment I got on this forum in the past of jiujitsu is a ground sport only must be true. Then of course my stance of fighting and defensive training is rediculous.
Sgt. Slaphead - so people should be do all manner of monkey-fuckery, but not a double leg....wow!
no wonder jiujitsu isgetting retarded if people think a double is to hard for a hobbiest to develop. Sure it is often neglected, but that is the instructors fault. If a double it to hard to learn then there is no hope to learn any takedowns or throws. So I guess the comment I got on this forum in the past of jiujitsu is a ground sport only must be true. Then of course my stance of fighting and defensive training is rediculous.
YOU WIN!
Chill man. If you read the context the guy I was replying to said to learn a double leg instead of single leg x
Ya, we should go back to 1998 where very match was a mixture of bad judo and full guard. Sooo much better
At least it had some connection to fighting.
Ive seen you teach stuff that has no connection to fighting (harpoon sweep for example). Iâm just curious when itâs okay and when its not.
Its okay to not like modern jiu jitsu but idk why people have to sh*t on it and the competitors - the OP was clearly mocking it despite how quickly any of us would be subbed by an outlier like Musumeci.
That particular sweep can be done no gi, so certainly has âconnectionâ to fighting.
I donât know where the exact line is, but I know when I see people play in a way where it would be very hard to do most of that stuff with strikes.
Itâs a continuum and people play jiu jitsu in ways that fall on all sorts of places along that continuum.
Idk man, it seems like a stretch to me to argue that your belt grip sweep is legit for self defense.
Btw if the only criterion is that it works nogi, then why do you train in the gi at all?
The no gi version you cup the far lat.
I train gi & Nogi because I enjoy both and both contribute skills & knowledge towards self defense.
My disappointment with where BJJ has gone takes nothing away from the great competitors these days. But for me, BJJ was the art that cut through all the BS that ruled the martial arts world up until the 1990s. Now, it defines that same BS, where competitors train to a very limited ruleset and then all the hobbyists follow the elite without ever considering why. It's become the reddit of martial arts, navel gazing and self referential.
My disappointment with where BJJ has gone takes nothing away from the great competitors these days. But for me, BJJ was the art that cut through all the BS that ruled the martial arts world up until the 1990s. Now, it defines that same BS, where competitors train to a very limited ruleset and then all the hobbyists follow the elite without ever considering why. It's become the reddit of martial arts, navel gazing and self referential.
Exactly.
And this pattern happens --to a greater or lesser extent-- with ALL combat sports; they evolve over time to become somewhat less ârealisticâ.
âDoesnât mean they donât have great value, doesnât mean the people who do them well arenât very skilled individuaks.
But we should recognize that the âsportificationâ of martial arts, DOES tend to harm the core value of the art as it pertains to use in the real world.
One of my Brown Belt BJJ students is a 5th dan in Judo and a local Judo Sensei for decades. Competed for years.Trained in Japan, etc. a true âJudokaâ.
Even he says things like âI canât stand what Judo has become.â
He has seen Judo change a lot over his lifetime, just as we see BJJ change over ours.
He would be the first to praise the PHENOMENAL level of Judo athletes today, yet⌠at the same time the first to talk about how absurd some of the rules have become.
Anyone who does a martial art for at least a couple decades usually has more complicated opinions and feelings on their art than âsport guysâ vs âself-defense guysâ.
To say the same thing others have said in my own words, when I started in BJJ, there was a lot of overlap between the techniques and strategies used in BJJ matches and Vale Tudo fights. This has changed.
I don't doubt that today's techniques are more effective than yesterday's in BJJ vs. BJJ. I also much prefer watching Lachlan Giles and Gordon Ryan do their thing to watching BJJ matches from the turn of the century. Still, I don't think anyone will disagree that BJJ and MMA have come to resemble each other less and less. And that has left some people disappointed.
by that I mean it's the rules which are stuffed, not the athletes. the very fact that at every comp from the local ones in my beachside suburb in Sydney to the Worlds in LA .. from white belt to black, we see two athletes come running in to the centre and sit on their butts and then either play footsies or move around like a dog with worms, isn't exactly what I signed up for over 20 years ago.
in my humble opinion, a simple rule change - the second fighter to have their arse or back on the mat gets awarded two points.
FINALLY, a way for âtraditional Jujitsuâ practitioners to actually win at a BJJ tourney!
Danzan Ryu and others have been doing this JJ kata competition stuff for decades and honestly look a lot sharper doing it. These BJJ kata noobs donât even know about synchronizing with your partner when you fix your gi! Shame.
But, hopefully this is just the beginning and we can soon look forward to a âmusical BJJ kata divisionâ, too.
