USADA: taking it too far

How can they say you can't ever have an IV? Such nonsense. What if you're sick, and you're extremely dehydrated months away from a fight?
I'm all for a clean sport, but fuck off USADA Phone Post 3.0

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Where in the rules does it say that you can't ever have an IV in the WFA? Phone Post 3.0

Did Tila Tequila ever need an IV? Phone Post 3.0

Mods please move to UG. Sorry Phone Post 3.0

RosieODonnellsQueef - Did Tila Tequila ever need an IV? Phone Post 3.0
After me. Yep. Haha Phone Post 3.0


That was a bit shocking to read. I get it for a weight cut. But what the hell reason would you need an IV for fighting advantage reasons weeks out? Phone Post 3.0

It was months ago. Fuck USADA Phone Post 3.0

I agree, they should setup some type of station for after weighins Phone Post 3.0

ocbadapple - It was months ago. Fuck USADA Phone Post 3.0
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kinda weird that they waited two months given that BJ disclosed the IV. no testing necessary. ufc continuted promoting the fight to sell tickets. why the delay?

Agreed was thinking this earlier Phone Post 3.0

Did he disclose it or did they test for it Phone Post 3.0

The article I read said he disclosed using one and he didn't know it was banned 365 days a year.

For what it's worth, this is directly from the USADA site:

We have seen an increase in inquires at USADA about the use of Intravenous (IV) Infusions for this purpose, and would like to assist athletes and medical personnel by offering education. In accordance with the WADA Prohibited List (Category M2 Chemical and Physical Manipulation), all IV infusions and/or injections of more than 50mL (~3.4 tablespoons) per 6-hour period are prohibited, except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures or clinical investigations. IV infusions and/or injections of more than 50mL per 6-hour period are prohibited at all times, both in- and out-of-competition unless the athlete has applied for and been granted a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE) under the applicable anti-doping rules. Further, if a prohibited substance that is administered intravenously or via injection, a TUE is necessary for this substance regardless of volume.

Some reports suggest that administration of IV infusions, including dietary supplement and vitamin cocktails, are being provided to athletes for recuperation, recovery or lifestyle reasons. This medical practice is prohibited at all times without prior TUE approval. WADA has justified the inclusion of IV infusions on the Prohibited List given the intent of some athletes to manipulate their plasma volume levels in order to mask the use of a prohibited substance and/or to distort the values in the Athlete Biological Passport. Further, it must be clearly stated that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild rehydration or help speed recovery is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature. There is a well-established body of scientific opinion to confirm that oral rehydration is the preferred therapeutic choice. Legitimate medical indications for IV infusions are well documented and are most commonly associated with medical emergencies (emergency TUE), in-patient care, surgery, or clinical investigations for diagnostic purposes.

Athletes should be aware that in specific cases, for example at an Olympic Games, there are specific no-needle policies requiring declarations of all injections/infusions, which aim to protect the health of athletes, encourage best medical practice, and discourage the use of techniques/manipulation that may be considered doping. In these instances, prior approval must be granted for ANY infusion and/or injection of prohibited or non-prohibited substance.

In cases where IV infusions/injections are deemed medically necessary, good medical practice must ensure that: 1) a clear, well-justified diagnosis has been established; 2) no non-prohibited alternative treatment exists; 3) this treatment will not enhance performance other than to return the athlete to a normal state of health; 4) the treatment is administered by qualified medical personnel in an appropriate medical setting; and 5) adequate medical records of the treatment are maintained. Athletes and support personnel administering IV infusions which cannot be medically justified are committing an anti-doping rule violation (ADRV) whether or not the individual substances are prohibited. In such cases, both the athlete and the personnel administering the IV infusion may be sanctioned.

evh - kinda weird that they waited two months given that BJ disclosed the IV. no testing necessary. ufc continuted promoting the fight to sell tickets. why the delay?


The phrasing is kind of hard to understand. 


Penn disclosed the usage of a prohibited method - the use of an IV in excess of 50 ML in a six-hour period - during a March 25, 2016, out-of-competition sample collection. 

Does that mean he disclosed the usage at that time, or does it mean he used the IV at that time and just disclosed it more recently?

The USADA rule is:

Intravenous infusions and intravenous injections of any substance containing more than 50 milliliters given in less than a six-hour period are prohibited, unless it is administered  legitimately during the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures, or clinical investigations.



  • Even if the substance delivered by intravenous infusion is permitted (e.g., iron), the method is prohibited if given outside of a hospital/surgery/ admission/surgery/clinical investigation because it is diluted in more than 50 milliliters of fluid. Intravenous injections of less than 50mL are only prohibited if the substance is included on the prohibited list.
  • In an emergency, an athlete should always receive appropriate medical care. If the emergency medical providers need to insert an intravenous line or provide medications as a life-saving procedure, request copies of all the clinical documentation for the diagnosis, decision to start the IV, and the amount of fluid administered. Once the emergency is over, the athlete should contact USADA to determine if a TUE is required.
  • The use of IV infusions in place of or in addition to oral fluid intake, such as to relieve severe dehydration caused by gastrointestinal distress during travel, without hospitalization, is prohibited. Also, WADA clarified “the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild re-hydration is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature.”
They give retroactive TUEs. If this was for a legit medical reason, he could have provided the paperwork and gotten an exemption either before or after the IV was required. If he's telling the truth that the IV was under the care of a doctor, then this should have been a non-issue. 

Fuck this bullshit. Phone Post 3.0

As I understand it the concern from USADA is that IV fluid is used to obfuscate testing for proper PED's. But it does seem you are fine to use when administered for illness etc.

How does usada know if someone used iv? Phone Post 3.0