orcus -Any kind of severe flu or food poisoning that results in fluid loss via vomiting or diarrhea might prompt a doc to rehydrate you via IV. I've had it happen several times.Walter The Iceman White - If he doesn't even try to get a TUE retroactively then what does that say about the IV use? I hope he can get it cleared up and fight. I would like to see how he fairs against an opponent not in the top 10.
Exactly. No one is using an IV at home when they get a cold. Why would he even have an IV?
If he went to a doctor he would have paperwork and would have been able to get a retroactive TUE.
chawkins -orcus -Any kind of severe flu or food poisoning that results in fluid loss via vomiting or diarrhea might prompt a doc to rehydrate you via IV. I've had it happen several times.Walter The Iceman White - If he doesn't even try to get a TUE retroactively then what does that say about the IV use? I hope he can get it cleared up and fight. I would like to see how he fairs against an opponent not in the top 10.
Exactly. No one is using an IV at home when they get a cold. Why would he even have an IV?
If he went to a doctor he would have paperwork and would have been able to get a retroactive TUE.
Like orcus just said in those cases you can get the TUE exception via the docs paperwork on your problem.
What's certainly forbidden by USADA standards is for you to do it on your own in your house without a doctor's approval.
Same idiots on here defended Chael's TRT use. Why don't you just come right out and say that you are okay with doping and cheating?
orcus -
Erik, why don't you ask BJ what he used an IV for and clear this whole misunderstanding up for us?
sounds like a good idea
So does anyone know where he gets his IV bags from?
evh -He just didn't feel so hot after a hard week of training. That's it.orcus -
Erik, why don't you ask BJ what he used an IV for and clear this whole misunderstanding up for us?
sounds like a good idea
blackhundred - For what it's worth, this is directly from the USADA site:This. Was going to say I remember them talking about it on rogan's podcast not sure if it was with novistski but I remember them saying in medical situations it is allowed. Can't remember all the details sorry.
We have seen an increase in inquires at USADA about the use of Intravenous (IV) Infusions for this purpose, and would like to assist athletes and medical personnel by offering education. In accordance with the WADA Prohibited List (Category M2 Chemical and Physical Manipulation), all IV infusions and/or injections of more than 50mL (~3.4 tablespoons) per 6-hour period are prohibited, except for those legitimately received in the course of hospital admissions, surgical procedures or clinical investigations. IV infusions and/or injections of more than 50mL per 6-hour period are prohibited at all times, both in- and out-of-competition unless the athlete has applied for and been granted a Therapeutic Use Exemption (TUE) under the applicable anti-doping rules. Further, if a prohibited substance that is administered intravenously or via injection, a TUE is necessary for this substance regardless of volume.
Some reports suggest that administration of IV infusions, including dietary supplement and vitamin cocktails, are being provided to athletes for recuperation, recovery or lifestyle reasons. This medical practice is prohibited at all times without prior TUE approval. WADA has justified the inclusion of IV infusions on the Prohibited List given the intent of some athletes to manipulate their plasma volume levels in order to mask the use of a prohibited substance and/or to distort the values in the Athlete Biological Passport. Further, it must be clearly stated that the use of IV fluid replacement following exercise to correct mild rehydration or help speed recovery is not clinically indicated nor substantiated by the medical literature. There is a well-established body of scientific opinion to confirm that oral rehydration is the preferred therapeutic choice. Legitimate medical indications for IV infusions are well documented and are most commonly associated with medical emergencies (emergency TUE), in-patient care, surgery, or clinical investigations for diagnostic purposes.
Athletes should be aware that in specific cases, for example at an Olympic Games, there are specific no-needle policies requiring declarations of all injections/infusions, which aim to protect the health of athletes, encourage best medical practice, and discourage the use of techniques/manipulation that may be considered doping. In these instances, prior approval must be granted for ANY infusion and/or injection of prohibited or non-prohibited substance.
In cases where IV infusions/injections are deemed medically necessary, good medical practice must ensure that: 1) a clear, well-justified diagnosis has been established; 2) no non-prohibited alternative treatment exists; 3) this treatment will not enhance performance other than to return the athlete to a normal state of health; 4) the treatment is administered by qualified medical personnel in an appropriate medical setting; and 5) adequate medical records of the treatment are maintained. Athletes and support personnel administering IV infusions which cannot be medically justified are committing an anti-doping rule violation (ADRV) whether or not the individual substances are prohibited. In such cases, both the athlete and the personnel administering the IV infusion may be sanctioned.
Is there a reason athletes don't use glass bottles instead of plastic?
dcase - Wrong Forum AppleThanks for making me laugh
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VanCity_KO -Chappie - They UFC should have hired USADA instead of WADA and then fighters like BJ could simply pay them not to report violations like Floyd did.Pretty sure they did hire USADA
I guess so, hence the thread title and the three previous pages of discussion which I somehow managed to miss. Apparently, BJ doesn't have Floyd's money and/or influence with USADA or the ability to have USADA issue a retroactive therapeutic use exemption post fight like they did for Floyd following his fight with Pacquiao.
Chappie -VanCity_KO -Chappie - They UFC should have hired USADA instead of WADA and then fighters like BJ could simply pay them not to report violations like Floyd did.Pretty sure they did hire USADA
I guess so, hence the thread title and the three previous pages of discussion which I somehow managed to miss. Apparently, BJ doesn't have Floyd's money and/or influence with USADA or the ability to have USADA issue a retroactive therapeutic use exemption post fight like they did for Floyd following his fight with Pacquiao.
that fight was too big to be cancelled by USADA, maybe Floyd is doing a closed doors suspension, like they do in tennis?
ocbadapple -evh -orcus -Erik, why don't you ask BJ what he used an IV for and clear this whole misunderstanding up for us?
<br /> <span class="User-169333" id="userPost57231856">sounds like a good idea</span></blockquote> <span class="User-169333" id="userPost57231856">He just didn't feel so hot after a hard week of training. That's it. <img alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align:middle;" /></span></blockquote>
"IVs are for wimps"
"Training is hard! Can someone give me an IV?"
...so he went to the hospital and said "I don't feel so hot after training" and the doctor said "no worries let me hook you up to an IV" but there was no paperwork to fill out or anything?
ocbadapple -that was the IVRosieODonnellsQueef - Did Tila Tequila ever need an IV?After me. Yep. Haha
ocbadapple -evh -orcus -Erik, why don't you ask BJ what he used an IV for and clear this whole misunderstanding up for us?
<br /> <span class="User-169333" id="userPost57231856">sounds like a good idea</span></blockquote> <span class="User-169333" id="userPost57231856">He just didn't feel so hot after a hard week of training. That's it. <img alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align:middle;" /></span></blockquote>
Seems very odd given that they are legal if administered by a professional:
In cases where IV infusions/injections are deemed medically necessary, good medical practice must ensure that: 1) a clear, well-justified diagnosis has been established; 2) no non-prohibited alternative treatment exists; 3) this treatment will not enhance performance other than to return the athlete to a normal state of health; 4) the treatment is administered by qualified medical personnel in an appropriate medical setting; and 5) adequate medical records of the treatment are maintained.Athletes and support personnel administering IV infusions which cannot be medically justified are committing an anti-doping rule violation (ADRV) whether or not the individual substances are prohibited.So first he's saying IVs are for wimps but then gets on done by some non-medical guy just because he wasn't feeling great?BJ is my favourite fight of all time. Hope this gets cleared up / explained.
ryans -ocbadapple -evh -orcus -Erik, why don't you ask BJ what he used an IV for and clear this whole misunderstanding up for us?
<br /> <span class="User-169333" id="userPost57231856">sounds like a good idea</span></blockquote> <span class="User-169333" id="userPost57231856">He just didn't feel so hot after a hard week of training. That's it. <img alt="Phone Post 3.0" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align:middle;" /></span></blockquote>
Seems very odd given that they are legal if administered by a professional:
In cases where IV infusions/injections are deemed medically necessary, good medical practice must ensure that: 1) a clear, well-justified diagnosis has been established; 2) no non-prohibited alternative treatment exists; 3) this treatment will not enhance performance other than to return the athlete to a normal state of health; 4) the treatment is administered by qualified medical personnel in an appropriate medical setting; and 5) adequate medical records of the treatment are maintained.Athletes and support personnel administering IV infusions which cannot be medically justified are committing an anti-doping rule violation (ADRV) whether or not the individual substances are prohibited.So first he's saying IVs are for wimps but then gets on done by some non-medical guy just because he wasn't feeling great?
BJ is my favourite fight of all time. Hope this gets cleared up / explained.This 100%.&bsp;
YOU CAN HAVE AN IV IS ITS ACTUALLY DEEMED MEDICALLY NECESSARY AND ADMINISTERED BY A PROFESIONAL AND GOOD RECORDS ARE MAINTAINTED.
If he has a legit medical reason for needing the IV it should be as simple as disclosing and providing documentation of situation. If he does not have those things he has clearly violated the rules and should be suspended.
People piss and moan about everybody being dirty and then want to let guys who get caught off the hook and say the testing is bullshit when they don't agree with who gets caught or what they got caught for.
ocbadapple - How can they say you can't ever have an IV? Such nonsense. What if you're sick, and you're extremely dehydrated months away from a fight?Doctors excuse
I'm all for a clean sport, but fuck off USADA
blackhundred -An Old Shoe - How does usada know if someone used iv?
I think there are preservatives that can be identified from the actual plastic they are contained in, if I recall.
Yep. And that is fucking scary when you think about it. Plastic (and preservatives) is very useful, but seems so unhealthy.
And I'm still waiting for BJ to tell us WHY he used an IV for. Curious for his reasoning. My guess is rehydration as it's damn hot in Hawaii but I'd rather him say it.
VanCity_KO -This, it's more the tubes that are leaving residue, you can use stainless steel or glass but I imagine they would be custom made,EyePokeYou - Is there a reason athletes don't use glass bottles instead of plastic?You planning on using glass tubed from the IV bottle as well. Last time I checked there was something in between the bag and the needle...
Just sayin
GJdeux - it's incredible to me that olympic level athletes can train without needing an IV but MMA fighters don't know how to train "properly" enough to not need an IV. What is wrong with that picture? Does everyone think an MMA work out is so much tougher than many other olympic athlete's workouts. I"m not talking about knowledge, I'm talking about needing it. Seriously. Head out of sand.
Your point is taken, but lets not even compare an Olympic level athlete to your typical MMA fighter. We're talking a true, world class athlete, and a mid level athlete, who's often times a part timer. The heavyweight champ is a part timer, for Pete's sake.