I think at least some of it was lost in translation. The whole stadium thing seems to have been misinterpreted. To me it sounds like M1 did some Russian government official a favor by getting him in to the meeting between M1 and Zuffa. The official does a little spiel about building a stadium in Russia and whatnot. Not connected to M1 or Fedor at all. But Zuffa takes it to suggest that they would need to build a stadium in Russia to get this deal done.
No Fedor because of shady Russian business tactics IMO 
It's good to hear both sides 
I can't believe how ignorant the UG is.
There's a whole lotta know-it-alls that actually KNOW nothing.
Most of you should stop posting and learn from the knowledgeable posters.
If there's one man's word on earth not to believe, it's Dana White, and it's been proved time and time and time and time and time again.
The opposite is true of Fedor Emelianenko.
As far as Vadim, all that "crazy" talk is regurgitation from the most unprofessional mouth in the history of boxercise.
Rambo John J - UFC missed out We missed outWrong!
Fedor could care less... He is GOAT of MMA
Anderson is the GOAT of MMA but you already know that.
StringerBell -Rambo John J - UFC missed out We missed outWrong!
Fedor could care less... He is GOAT of MMA
Anderson is the GOAT of MMA but you already know that.
I just can't think that Anderson, as great as he is at Mw and 3 LHW fights, would be able to beat the men Fedor beat.
If you agree that Fedor does better against his opponents, than Anderson would do against Fedor's opponents, then what did Anderson do to surpass Fedor in terms of Goat? When?
If it ain't Dutch, it ain't much -andyloveshugs -Yes but the money would have gone through them so they could fuck Fedor. Let's say for example UFC was going to pay Fedor $6 mil per fight like was rumored. Odds are that included PPV % but we will just use it for this example. By paying it to the AC and then them paying Fedor, Fedor would have to give Vadim his %. With co-promotion the money goes to M1 (Vadim) and then he could pay Fedor less. The UFC was going to pay X per fight, Vadim just wanted to make sure he could he the largest share possible. If you guys knew the stories of some of these Russian fighters you would feel sorry for them. The mob ran shit (may still be) over there and fd so many fighters over because they got majority of the money these guys made. Vadim was basically trying or did the same thing to Fedor.If it ain't Dutch, it ain't much - Vadim is full of shit, only thing he wanted was co-promotion so he could get paid and fuck Fedor out of money. In the USA it would of gone through the AC so Fedor would of got the money and then had to give Vadim his cut. If they did co-promotion then they could get a bigger cut of the overall money the UFC would of been willing to pay out to Fedor. I think most people would agree with this.
i believe the idea is m-1 wanted to co-promote, as in it wouldn't be a ufc event or the ufc signing fedor, it'd be the ufc agreeing to put events on with m-1 global, and having an "M-1 and UFC presents" show the way strikeforce did. meaning m-1 wasn't just going to make money off the fedor fight as if they were his manager, they were going to get half of the entire event's revenue and the ufc would be paying fedor in conjunction with m-1.
This is the clearest picture of what would have happened. Fedor's disclosed pay would be like 200/200 and the rest would be funneled through M-1 in a Golden Glory, but 100x worse fugazi move.
You would be shocked at how many Russian pro athleres (NHL mostly) that were paying so much to gangsters that their wives were strippers and escorts to generate money. Really crazy shit.
Did anyone see where Aleks was living when he was arrested? It looked like the poorest person in Russia's home.
M-1's co-promotion demands were snuffed out by Zuffa and they would have been happy with a sticker on the cage.
Zuffa DID NOT offer anywhere near $36M/6 fights with co-promotion. That's insane.
Zuffa would take a heavy gamble playing Fedor $1M considering he never sold PPV for Pride. Even the Cro Cop superfight did less than 50k buys in the USA.
M-1's interest was getting their product (their product was Fedor) on Russian television. Unfortunately, that came to fruition just in time for his 3 losses.
What could have been amazing became a giant fuckup.
And GSP is the GOAT. He only had one easy fight (hardy) Fedor and Anderson's resumes are riddled with gimme fights.
Bobby Lupo -Speaking the truth as usual.
And GSP is the GOAT. He only had one easy fight (hardy) Fedor and Anderson's resumes are riddled with gimme fights.
Based on everything I've ever been told the hang up during the 2009 negotiations were almost exclusively because of two points: 1) that M-1 demanded co-branding (not a 50% split, they wanted Russia, some surrounding countries, and equal billing) which the UFC absolutely refused, and 2) the UFC had provisions in that made it nearly impossible for Fedor to ever finish his contract, which M-1 absolutely refused. Those two stances made any deal absolutely unthinkable.
John 'nottheface' Nash -
Based on everything I've ever been told the hang up during the 2009 negotiations were almost exclusively because of two points: 1) that M-1 demanded co-branding (not a 50% split, they wanted Russia, some surrounding countries, and equal billing) which the UFC absolutely refused, and 2) the UFC had provisions in that made it nearly impossible for Fedor to ever finish his contract, which M-1 absolutely refused. Those two stances made any deal absolutely unthinkable.
Fedor spoke about the second part of that. He said that if he was champion (he and the UFC assumed he would be) then he contract would go into automatic renewal without an opportunity for renegotiation.
Fedor Team would have agreed to all the other terms, but not that one.
They have pulled renegotiation moves in the past with Pride. Fedor fought for Inoki and Bodog despite his Pride contract.
His contract was renegotiated after the Werdum fight to pay him more to enter the HWGP.
So, Fedor is no angel.
Actually his Pride contract allowed for one fight outside Japan when he took the Bodog fight and his terms were actually less after the Werdum fight. The real hardcore negotiating done by Fedor and M-1 was when they held out before the Werdum fight, preventing him from being on CBS.
XcessiveZ -Bobby Lupo -Speaking the truth as usual.
And GSP is the GOAT. He only had one easy fight (hardy) Fedor and Anderson's resumes are riddled with gimme fights.
Serious question.
Could GSP do as well against Anderson's opponents, as Anderson did against them?
Chael, Vitor Belfort, Demian Maia, Dan Henderson, Forrest Griffin, just to name a few.....
John 'nottheface' Nash -
Actually his Pride contract allowed for one fight outside Japan when he took the Bodog fight and his terms were actually less after the Werdum fight. The real hardcore negotiating done by Fedor and M-1 was when they held out before the Werdum fight, preventing him from being on CBS.
The provision was Russia only. Bodog thought they had Rulon in the bag for Clash of Nations and it was going to be a huge payday. Rulon didn't sign and we got Fedor-Lindland in a palace.
D241 -XcessiveZ -Bobby Lupo -Speaking the truth as usual.And GSP is the GOAT. He only had one easy fight (hardy) Fedor and Anderson's resumes are riddled with gimme fights.
Serious question.
Could GSP do as well against Anderson's opponents, as Anderson did against them?
Chael, Vitor Belfort, Demian Maia, Dan Henderson, Forrest Griffin, just to name a few.....
That's interesting (But not relevant IMO) A middle of the road all time HW: Cleveland Williams would have beaten every one of Sugar Ray Robinson's opponents.
For the sake of talking, If Saku can beat Vitor, why can't GSP? GSP would jab Maia to a living death in a boring one sided boxing match. Hendo lost to Shields, so why not GSP?. Griffin would swat GSP like King Kong. Forrest is a medium sized HW.
D241 -XcessiveZ -Bobby Lupo -Speaking the truth as usual.
And GSP is the GOAT. He only had one easy fight (hardy) Fedor and Anderson's resumes are riddled with gimme fights.
Serious question.
Could GSP do as well against Anderson's opponents, as Anderson did against them?
Chael, Vitor Belfort, Demian Maia, Dan Henderson, Forrest Griffin, just to name a few.....
Could Anderson do better against Fedors opponents than Fedor did? Oh wait, they both fought Henderson and Anderson did better. It's bad logic.
Realistically,
UFC runs a very tight ship. They have many faults (faults that I've harangued them for) but if you've observed M1 global at all, they don't mess around. The CO-promotion aspect has been known from day one, and if you don't believe that was a major hangup, then do your due dilligence and look around at who M1 has dealt with where they didn't co-promote.
Few and far between, and given the leverage they thought Fedor had, i'm sure they pushed it as far as it could go.
Fedor was/is one of my favorite fighters of all time. That doesnt change the fact that M1 had unrealistic expecations as to what the UFC would be willing to do to sign him.
M1's history is essentially a collection of underactive fighters and promotions who ultimately dont stay in business.
That's not a good model, and if if signing fedor requires signing him to a large contract (unproven in American housholds to draw numbers) and then you have to cut off an extra slice to M1, you're looking at a terrible investment, no matter what harcore MMA fans (like myself) have been begging for.
Fedor vs hendo rematch what a fight that was
THERE WAS A GLITCH IN THE MATRiX -time traveling 12er -D241 -XcessiveZ -Bobby Lupo -Speaking the truth as usual.
And GSP is the GOAT. He only had one easy fight (hardy) Fedor and Anderson's resumes are riddled with gimme fights.
Serious question.
Could GSP do as well against Anderson's opponents, as Anderson did against them?
Chael, Vitor Belfort, Demian Maia, Dan Henderson, Forrest Griffin, just to name a few.....
Could Anderson do better against Fedors opponents than Fedor did? Oh wait, they both fought Henderson and Anderson did better. It's bad logic.
mma math just doesnt work!
Pulver > Hallman > Hughes
Tell it to D241, whose idea of GOAT is whose opponents would beat whose and who would do better against whose opponents...which is why in his mind, only a HW can be GOAT.
GSP fought a murderer's row compared to the tomato cans Fedor fought.
The truth is: Fedor was managed like a boxer. He had his 3 big wins (Herring, Nog, Mirko) and then it gets very thin.
GSP's 25 wins are more meaningful than Fedor's 30+
GSP fought Karo (when that meant something) in his 6th pro fight.