Given the different scoring criteria, I feel he did the most damage, by far. In fact, I don't think Kawajiri did any damage.
The fight wasn't even close. Kawajiri won by a landslide.
The fight wasn't even close. Kawajiri won by a landslide.
really? what damage did he do?
he took him down and had a near sidechoke and a near choke while he was on Black Mamba's back.
please explain.
The scoring criteria seems to be the same as Pride, which weighed effort to finish highest. Damage was second, IIRC. Gill never came close to finishing. Kawajiri did. Not only that, but Kawajiri was by far more aggressive and controlled the fight. Really, the only thing I remember Gill doing, besides surviving on the ground, was one good knee strike.
I don't see any possible way you can score that for Gill. It wasn't close.
He gave Kawajiri a much tougher fight than people expected for sure.
I agree with that. I expected Kawajiri to finish him rather quickly. But Gill did not win that fight. He did not come close.
no
Its not easy to G&P someone who is that much taller than you
Fedor had problems doing it to Schilt
good showing by Gill, but he didn't win
"really? what damage did he do? he took him down and had a near sidechoke and a near choke while he was on Black Mamba's back. please explain."
What damage did Gill do? One front kick and a few elbows from the bottom, come on. Kawajiri controlled that fight, was the only one close to a finish, it really wasn't close in terms of who won the decision.
the majority of the "damage" he did was from the bottom with punches and some exceptional upkicks. the upkicks may have done a bit more worth of significant damage, but the strikes didn't do too much. however, i'm not sure i remember kawajiri landing more than 1 or 2 not-special punches.
Exactly how does surviving a fight make it "close?"
The significance of the fight is that Kawajiri could not finish Gill, Gill did far better than anyone expected.
Gill made KJ work like hell for the tds but KJ still got every single one he tried for.
KJ consisently passed guard every td. KJ had numerous submission attempts as well.
Gill did well as mentioned but he was just surviving all fight.
Again, why do we get so dam carried away on here? Gill did a good job in not taking any gnp damage off one of the best gnpers in the div but he was just surviving.
It was similar to Nog/Herring I except Gill seemed to score with that one knee but which did not stop KJ from advancing his td attempt. Herring had about 2 good leg kicks on Nog in that fight.
Do you guys understand what "just surviving" means?
well i guess no one will answer my question as to what damage (if any) kawajiri inflicted, as opposed to some hardly damaging punches from the bottom and some solid upckicks from black mamba.
Your question was already answered by Ryan.
kawajiri won. End of story
KJ didn't dominate Gill but definitely controlled Kultar for a clear cut decision win.
Will say Gill has improved just had a very tough 1st round draw.
Consistently taking down, passing guard and attempting sub attempts throughout the fight is, in fact, "dominating" your opponent in the sport of mixed martial arts.
If KJ would have actually did some damage along the way or got closer to actually finishing the submission attempts I would agree. That is why I stated controlled the fight rather than dominating it. I see your point though.. Kultar didn't do much except defend well (much improved in that regard), other than a odd knee and kick here or there no offense whatsoever.
he kneed KJ from being sidemounted while KJ did nothing from there. better positioning for KJ got him nothing.