What are specific innovations Helio made?

hackett -
12 - "As for Renzo, he absolutely does not say Helio was responsible for the jiu-jitsu we see today -- that's also incorrect."


who is renzo talking about in the video posted on the front page?


It's inaudible, at least on my laptop. But I have the DVD which it came from, The Gracies and the Birth of Vale Tudo and just watched now.



Anyway, sure Renzo describes Helio as "one of the biggest innovators" there, but, as you can see from the quote I offer -- not quite the biggest.



The DVD spends more time on Rolls than Helio as well, not sure if you've seen it? Renzo was credited as Executive Producer.

That video was supposed to be about Gracies and Vale Tudo yet a majority was about Rolls rather than Helio, Carlson, George.(who actually fought vale Tudo) Phone Post 3.0

Are you implying Rolls didn't fight? Maybe they weren't in the ring, but I think you could call the challenges against the karate school vale tudo... certainly looked "anything goes" to me. He gets about a fourth of the film's running time.

The film has got its flaws -- I would have loved to see more of the Carlson Gracie Team, for example, but I think it's worth checking out. I did a review here if anyone's interested.

PrisonMattressPuncher - I have a story I have never told, but it came from a Carlson Gracie black belt years ago in late 90s.
After a seminar, I privately asked what the style difference was between the two sides. He paused and said with his accent, something like (paraphrased): "Well, I recently trained with Helio's sons and I was simply a little shocked and amazed at some of the efficiency that is lacking on Carlson's style. In my opinion, for the average person, Helio's style is best. Carlson was very successful because he trained a lot of tough guys for fighting, but what it made was a more rougher and aggressive system that overall doesn't have the finesse and attention to detail that Helio's side had. Carlson's style is for tough, athletic guys, but Helio's s much more methodical"

He mentioned that he could really train with Helio's side because of all the politics but would if he could because he felt their refinement of a lot of techniques was much higher.

So, that convinced me to look at Helio's side a little more closely as I do it for fun, self-defense, etc.

Was he the only one on Carlson's team that didn't see Royce vs. Wallid? Just kidding.

Not to doubt what the guy told you, but I train under a direct Carlson black belt and what he teaches definitely doesn't lack in the finesse department. And yes, I've seen many of Rener's YouTube videos.

PointyShinyBurn - 
shen - 
PointyShinyBurn - I love most of your posts Shen, but the above about Koryu artists not engaging in Judo/BJJ-esque grappling is not true. See, for example, the life of Yukio Tani (http://ejmas.com/jalt/jaltart_Noble_1000.htm) who was a koryu jujutsuka with the guard as his speciality technique. See if anything looks familiar in The Game of Jiu Jitsu, from 1906: http://www.scribd.com/doc/88787193/The-Game-of-Jujitsu-Yukio-Tani-Gunji-Koizumi-1906

Judo didn't spring fully formed from Kano's mind, there was an existing tradition of sporting competition and unarmed, civilian martial arts.

While the kata of Fusen ryu don't have much BJJing about, Mataemon Tanabe who was headmaster did specialise in it and taught it to lots of people who were or later became Judoka (http://sydhoare.com/FUSEN.pdf)

BJJ comes from other Jiu Jitsu styles via Judo, no question, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't share things in common with some of its antecedents or that everyone who taught Judo in its early years was grown in Kano's cloning tank.

 

Well, Yukio Tani was a Judoka as well as a jujutsu teacher; he is of a later period since he was born at the very end of the Koryu era.  He also studied Tenjin Shinyo Ryu (one of the 2 main styles which are responsible for Judo Newaza). Plus, no one is really sure, beyond that, what all else he studiedother than Fusen Ryu.  So I don't really see how he can be used as an example of a true  "Koryu Jujutsuka" since he had other influences. Find me an example of somone who used techniques like him 100 years earlier, then I would agree with you.

I myself actually studied a little bit ( a couple months) of Tenjin Shinyo Ryu in the mid-90s and have a black belt in Danzan Ryu, which has some kata from Iwaga Ryu, Yoshin Ryu and Kosogabe Ryu. I also have a mentor/friend who is well versed in several Koryu Arts and is an instructor of Shinto Muso Ryu Jojutsu (Jodo). He traveled the world with Donn Dreger. A lot of my opinions on Koryu are based on what I have learned from him.

In my opinion the GENERALIZATIONS I made about how Koryu Bujutsu differs from Modern era/ Judo influenced  jujitsu styles are correct.  Japanese Martial arts from feudal Japan are a completely different animal  from martial arts created after 1867.

 

 

 

 

 

 


Tani wasn't a Judoka until Kano came to London in 1920 and promoted him straight to 2nd Dan. How is a guy whose only study was koryu "impure" because, like lots of fighting Jujutsu guys, the Kodokan later swallowed him?

Kano didn't invent randori, or ground-fighting, or jujitsu competitions, or even the word "Judo", he borrowed them from existing styles. Just because much modern koryu has devolved into dead training and historical re-enactment doesn't alter that Kano started at a school where you sparred hard and frequently and only learned the kata when you'd convinced the coach you weren't a time waster.

 

So you're saying Tani didn't know any Judo until Kano promoted him to 2nd dan.... ? Think about that.

You're saying Kano was just giving ranks to people who didn't know his art? No way. Tani knew judo --he just  wasn't RANKED in Judo. Judo was huge, it was a craze --like BJJ or MMA have been today. It effected lots of people.

Kano gave Tani rank in Judo is because what he was doing was already essentially Judo! --Kano did the exactly same thing with Seshiro Okazaki( the founder of Danzan Ryu) and others. He wanted them to come under the umbrella of the Kodokan. Some came, some didn't. Okazaki for instance didn''t because he wanted to keep some of the Koryu elements.

But, Kano did NOT give ranks to jujutsu people who only practiced in the "old fashioned" manner! He only gave rank to the modernists who embraced his ideas. 

 

--And yes I know about Kito Ryu & Randori and the Word "Judo" --The alternate name for Danzan Ryu is in fact Kodenkan Judo. Okazaki's " Essoteric Principle of Judo" is a document about Ju jitsu. Not sure what makes you think I wouldn't be aware of this.

 

 

hackett -


Are you implying Rolls didn't fight? Maybe they weren't in the ring, but I think you could call the challenges against the karate school vale tudo... certainly looked "anything goes" to me. He gets about a fourth of the film's running time.



The film has got its flaws -- I would have loved to see more of the Carlson Gracie Team, for example, but I think it's worth checking out. I did a review here if anyone's interested.

I didn't mean Rolls didn't fight. What I mean is that, when you look at the Gracies and vale Tudo, the three I mentioned have a bigger vale Tudo resume. If the video was titled "the Gracies and sport jj" then I can see it focusing on Rolls. Phone Post 3.0

MickColins - 
hackett -


Are you implying Rolls didn't fight? Maybe they weren't in the ring, but I think you could call the challenges against the karate school vale tudo... certainly looked "anything goes" to me. He gets about a fourth of the film's running time.



The film has got its flaws -- I would have loved to see more of the Carlson Gracie Team, for example, but I think it's worth checking out. I did a review here if anyone's interested.

I didn't mean Rolls didn't fight. What I mean is that, when you look at the Gracies and vale Tudo, the three I mentioned have a bigger vale Tudo resume. If the video was titled "the Gracies and sport jj" then I can see it focusing on Rolls. Phone Post 3.0


Yeah, I think the idea was that all these figures of the Gracie family, including Rolls, helped develop jiu-jitsu to what it is today, and the vale tudo which spawned the UFC. I didn't get too caught up on the title, personally.



It told one side of the story, but did so pretty well, so I enjoyed it.



The debate about jujutsu ryu and judo is interesting, but did we ever get any answers to the thread's question?

hackett - 
12 - "As for Renzo, he absolutely does not say Helio was responsible for the jiu-jitsu we see today -- that's also incorrect."


who is renzo talking about in the video posted on the front page?


It's inaudible, at least on my laptop. But I have the DVD which it came from, The Gracies and the Birth of Vale Tudo and just watched now.



Anyway, sure Renzo describes Helio as "one of the biggest innovators" there, but, as you can see from the quote I offer -- not quite the biggest.



The DVD spends more time on Rolls than Helio as well, not sure if you've seen it? Renzo was credited as Executive Producer.


helio taught rolls,if you want to count rolls beating rickson when he was 18 yrs old, ok .renzo was only 12 yrs old when this was going on ,ppl that were there said rolls couldnt beat rickson when he hit 20.

lets be honest,you got carlos jr saying he was taught by his father ,we know thats not true,you have carlson saying he didnt learn from helio , we not that not true.now you have renzo pushing rolls to the front when he was only 14 yrs old at the time of rolls death

Maybe some say that re: Rickson and Rolls, but others, like Carlson Gracie, said otherwise.

"Q: Who was the best in jiu-jitsu? Rolls or Rickson?

A: Of course it was Rolls. He was a lot more technical, a phenomenon."

http://www.bjj.org/interview-carlson-gracie-living-legend

There's footage of Rickson and Rolls sparring in "The Gracies & The Birth of Vale Tudo" and Rolls is getting the better of it, for whatever that's worth. I would have guessed Rickson to be around 20 but I don't recall the footage being dated.

I don't recall Carlson ever saying he "never learned anything from Helio." Could you provide a source for that one?

Seems most give Helio a lot of credit for being a great fighter and the most prominent instructor at Gracie Academy for many years. They just don't think he "invented leverage," or "was never beaten,"  like Kron Gracie says in interviews.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHuiq90IIZc

Do you really think all of Rorion's marketing was 100% factual?

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hackett - 
12 - "As for Renzo, he absolutely does not say Helio was responsible for the jiu-jitsu we see today -- that's also incorrect."


who is renzo talking about in the video posted on the front page?


It's inaudible, at least on my laptop. But I have the DVD which it came from, The Gracies and the Birth of Vale Tudo and just watched now.



Anyway, sure Renzo describes Helio as "one of the biggest innovators" there, but, as you can see from the quote I offer -- not quite the biggest.



The DVD spends more time on Rolls than Helio as well, not sure if you've seen it? Renzo was credited as Executive Producer.


helio taught rolls,if you want to count rolls beating rickson when he was 18 yrs old, ok .renzo was only 12 yrs old when this was going on ,ppl that were there said rolls couldnt beat rickson when he hit 20.

lets be honest,you got carlos jr saying he was taught by his father ,we know thats not true,you have carlson saying he didnt learn from helio , we not that not true.now you have renzo pushing rolls to the front when he was only 14 yrs old at the time of rolls death

For the record, Carlson has also acknowledged that he learned from Helio. Not everything though. I'm sure that there are interviews out there where he said he didn't learn from Helio. That's just Carlson for you.

If you were to have asked Carlson about Rolls, he would have acknowledged that Rolls learned jiu jitsu from Helio, but that Rolls only became really good by training with him and being encouraged to cross-train.

Carlson once said something along the lines of jiu jitsu being like wine - it came from many grapes and these grapes came from many different plants, that everyone in the Gracie family has contributed in some way.

hackett - 


Maybe some say that re: Rickson and Rolls, but others, like Carlson Gracie, said otherwise.



"Q: Who was the best in jiu-jitsu? Rolls or Rickson?



A: Of course it was Rolls. He was a lot more technical, a phenomenon."



http://www.bjj.org/interview-carlson-gracie-living-legend



There's footage of Rickson and Rolls sparring in "The Gracies & The Birth of Vale Tudo" and Rolls is getting the better of it, for whatever that's worth. I would have guessed Rickson to be around 20 but I don't recall the footage being dated.



I don't recall Carlson ever saying he "never learned anything from Helio." Could you provide a source for that one?



Seems most give Helio a lot of credit for being a great fighter and the most prominent instructor at Gracie Academy for many years. They just don't think he "invented leverage," or "was never beaten,"  like Kron Gracie says in interviews.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHuiq90IIZc



Do you really think all of Rorion's marketing was 100% factual?


NO,its about has bad as 10th planets revolution talk

"helio taught rolls,"

 

And Rolls would go into town and learn from Carlson,too. Also chose to teach at Carlson's school rather than Gracie home base. I think we can all agree that the truth is somewhere in the middle of all the family bullshit. And every family has bullshit. My mom has 6 siblings, ask them about a story from their childhood and you get 6 versions.

hackett - 
MickColins - 
hackett -


Are you implying Rolls didn't fight? Maybe they weren't in the ring, but I think you could call the challenges against the karate school vale tudo... certainly looked "anything goes" to me. He gets about a fourth of the film's running time.



The film has got its flaws -- I would have loved to see more of the Carlson Gracie Team, for example, but I think it's worth checking out. I did a review here if anyone's interested.

I didn't mean Rolls didn't fight. What I mean is that, when you look at the Gracies and vale Tudo, the three I mentioned have a bigger vale Tudo resume. If the video was titled "the Gracies and sport jj" then I can see it focusing on Rolls. Phone Post 3.0


Yeah, I think the idea was that all these figures of the Gracie family, including Rolls, helped develop jiu-jitsu to what it is today, and the vale tudo which spawned the UFC. I didn't get too caught up on the title, personally.



It told one side of the story, but did so pretty well, so I enjoyed it.



The debate about jujutsu ryu and judo is interesting, but did we ever get any answers to the thread's question?



quick answer to original question was closed guard.(more details on page 1)   am currently waiting on any video footage from the 1950's or 1960's  of   faddha using closed guard in a fight....or a series of black and white photos.    have been told that the faddha school tapped out the gracie acadmey in the 1950's with foot locks.   (i would like to hear carlsons side of that story...because he would of been there) maybe renzos dad could comment on that story.???!!!!  any renzo students want to ask renzo??



supposedly a book gets released next month about the faddha lineage.  maybe it will have some photos as proof helio did not invent or change any of the techniques.     



 

Markus Barrett - 
hackett - 
MickColins - 
hackett -


Are you implying Rolls didn't fight? Maybe they weren't in the ring, but I think you could call the challenges against the karate school vale tudo... certainly looked "anything goes" to me. He gets about a fourth of the film's running time.



The film has got its flaws -- I would have loved to see more of the Carlson Gracie Team, for example, but I think it's worth checking out. I did a review here if anyone's interested.

I didn't mean Rolls didn't fight. What I mean is that, when you look at the Gracies and vale Tudo, the three I mentioned have a bigger vale Tudo resume. If the video was titled "the Gracies and sport jj" then I can see it focusing on Rolls. Phone Post 3.0


Yeah, I think the idea was that all these figures of the Gracie family, including Rolls, helped develop jiu-jitsu to what it is today, and the vale tudo which spawned the UFC. I didn't get too caught up on the title, personally.



It told one side of the story, but did so pretty well, so I enjoyed it.



The debate about jujutsu ryu and judo is interesting, but did we ever get any answers to the thread's question?



quick answer to original question was closed guard.(more details on page 1)   am currently waiting on any video footage from the 1950's or 1960's  of   faddha using closed guard in a fight....or a series of black and white photos.    have been told that the faddha school tapped out the gracie acadmey in the 1950's with foot locks.   (i would like to hear carlsons side of that story...because he would of been there) maybe renzos dad could comment on that story.???!!!!  any renzo students want to ask renzo??



supposedly a book gets released next month about the faddha lineage.  maybe it will have some photos as proof helio did not invent or change any of the techniques.     



 



Anibal Braga, who gave Pedro Carvalho his black belt, had trained with Monir Salomao from white to brown belt before leaving to train with Amelio Camara (Helio Gracie black belt). Anibal said he learned all his foot locks from Monir who learned them with Fadda.



I learned footlocks from Pedro starting as a white belt and still teach them to this day. Pedro said footlocks were considered chichen shit moves by most Brazilians but he said he did not care and showed them to us. This was in the middle 90's and look everyone is doing them now.



 



 

In his book Introducao ao Jiu-Jitsu by Carlos Gracie, he refers to Helio as the innovator.

Has this video been posted yet? Ryron and Rener discuss op, and show two sick techniques.

http://youtu.be/Zd9wbqZgsL8 Phone Post 3.0

The Mat Pimp - In his book Introducao ao Jiu-Jitsu by Carlos Gracie, he refers to Helio as the innovator.

he said that? i dont doubt it.the next thing will be about the diet and how rorion stole it and made it his.btw that would never happen ,rorion's on record saying it was all carlos














Ernest Estrada - 
Markus Barrett - 
hackett - 
MickColins - 
hackett -


Are you implying Rolls didn't fight? Maybe they weren't in the ring, but I think you could call the challenges against the karate school vale tudo... certainly looked "anything goes" to me. He gets about a fourth of the film's running time.



The film has got its flaws -- I would have loved to see more of the Carlson Gracie Team, for example, but I think it's worth checking out. I did a review here if anyone's interested.

I didn't mean Rolls didn't fight. What I mean is that, when you look at the Gracies and vale Tudo, the three I mentioned have a bigger vale Tudo resume. If the video was titled "the Gracies and sport jj" then I can see it focusing on Rolls. Phone Post 3.0


Yeah, I think the idea was that all these figures of the Gracie family, including Rolls, helped develop jiu-jitsu to what it is today, and the vale tudo which spawned the UFC. I didn't get too caught up on the title, personally.



It told one side of the story, but did so pretty well, so I enjoyed it.



The debate about jujutsu ryu and judo is interesting, but did we ever get any answers to the thread's question?



quick answer to original question was closed guard.(more details on page 1)   am currently waiting on any video footage from the 1950's or 1960's  of   faddha using closed guard in a fight....or a series of black and white photos.    have been told that the faddha school tapped out the gracie acadmey in the 1950's with foot locks.   (i would like to hear carlsons side of that story...because he would of been there) maybe renzos dad could comment on that story.???!!!!  any renzo students want to ask renzo??



supposedly a book gets released next month about the faddha lineage.  maybe it will have some photos as proof helio did not invent or change any of the techniques.     



 



Anibal Braga, who gave Pedro Carvalho his black belt, had trained with Monir Salomao from white to brown belt before leaving to train with Amelio Camara (Helio Gracie black belt). Anibal said he learned all his foot locks from Monir who learned them with Fadda.



I learned footlocks from Pedro starting as a white belt and still teach them to this day. Pedro said footlocks were considered chichen shit moves by most Brazilians but he said he did not care and showed them to us. This was in the middle 90's and look everyone is doing them now.



 



 


Back in 1994 I went to a Royce Gracie seminar and the host was a friend of mine so I got to hang out with Royce as well as a few others and told him that I had heard that the Gracies didn't know footlocks and leglocks. Royce ended up giving me and a few others a private seminar on footlocks and legcks. I had been training in JKD/Catch back then and was familiar with most of what he showed but he had different angles and grips as well as more focus on controlling your opponent. Seems obvious to me that the myth were wrong and at least Royce was knowledgeable about them.

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The Mat Pimp - In his book Introducao ao Jiu-Jitsu by Carlos Gracie, he refers to Helio as the innovator.

he said that? i dont doubt it.the next thing will be about the diet and how rorion stole it and made it his.btw that would never happen ,rorion's on record saying it was all carlos















Yup. There is actually an online translation of the introduction floating around on the web and I have posted scans of the book on our academy FB.

People who never met Helio Gracie often don't realize what a truly unique and driven person he was, or imagine he did it all for fame or money. My impression is totally different, he was utterly directed by Jiu-Jitsu and ate, slept, and breathed the art with a level of commitment other people don't get.

I want to caution people about getting thrown off by "Fusen-ryu".  The confusion is caused because the 4th Soke of Fusen ryu (Mataemon Tanabe) refined a personal newaza system years before he inherited that ryu-ha.  The people beating the Kodokan on the ground used this system, but flew the Fusen flag (because of their master's title).  It's a red herring.  As is Kosen.

Definitely the timing of the actual Kosen format as we know it is a bit late to have influenced people like Tani, Uyenishi or Maeda.  Tony Wolf of the Bartitsu Society has done some interesting work on early scholastic formats of this sort.  
 
There are a few key moments where certain hypotheses can be rejected in favor of a better model.  For example:
 
the idea that Helio, Carlos or any Gracie in particular substantially modified what was taught at Maeda's club in Belem is contradicted by the existence of the Franca/Fadda Maeda lineage, which is essentially the same art (at least in terms of newaza, if not atemi), and was so when they first encountered one another.  The distinctive properties of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu newaza can not come  from a special contribution from the Gracies, or else we would see this difference when contrasting it to the newaza of the Franca/Fadda branch of Maeda's students in Brazil, and we do not.  And so we conclude a common source for both branches: Maeda.

Similarly, Kodokan Judo can not be the source of the newaza practiced by the Japanese challenge wrestlers in England (there is no evidence they received any Kodokan training at all), and yet we can see many features present in their newaza that are similar to both the Fadda and Gracie lines of Maeda's teachings.  Maeda spent significant time traveling with Tani and Miyake, and we can suppose that there was a sharing of technique.
 
But if this were the end of it, we would expect not to see this same similarity in the newaza popular in the Kosen format (which came long after this sharing of technique would have ended).  And so again, we are led to postulate a common influence.  It can not be the original Kodokan newaza, as Tani, and Uyenishi had no exposure to this, and it can not be Kosen newaza (which came later); it can only be something present in the backgrounds of both Maeda, Tani and MiyakeThis is not something from Maeda's Kodokan background that Tani and Miyake shared (Tani was explicit that any knowledge he had of the Kodokan's material was tachiwaza only), and so it must be something from Tani, Uyenishi and Miyake's background that Maeda shared.  Is there such a syllabus of material that resembles in it's description the newaza of both the challenge wrestlers in England, and that of Maeda and his lineal students in Brazil?  Tani, Miyaki and Uyenishi all point to a newaza-centric approach associated with the city of Osaka and the names Matemon Tanabe and Yatarou Handa as the source of their training.  And the syllabus of of Mataemon Tanabe is known to have been revealed to members of the Kodokan after it suffered numerous by defeats by Tanabe and students using his approach.  This then is the obvious candidate.  Moreover, the Kosen format newaza that also bears a strong similarity to the other branches of newaza under consideration developed through the efforts of two principle figures, one being the only person known to have fought Tanabe twice (and the only one to have fought him to a draw), making a study of him and dedicating himself to newaza practice as a result of the challenge Tanabe faced.  In fact it is very likely that this person (Isogai Hajime) is one of the Kodokan members Tanabe revealed his syllabus to.
 
The only reasonable alternative to this model is numerous, independent instances of parallel evolution at different times, and in different locals, all producing extreme similarity.  Some would argue that similarity of rules and format (specifically the absence of pinfall and Ippon) creates this parallel evolution, but I intend to argue that the specific features of similarity are much too close for this to have been the case.  After all, most human instinctive and playful grappling is free of Ippon rules and pinfalls, and yet we do not see these features distributed universally around the globe, or discover them as children.  Similarity of format may produce a slow evolution towards similarity, but a common input of technique and ideas creates a center of gravity around which a cluster of distinct styles might orbit.
 
(cont...)
So here is the model that emerges from current research:
 
In the late 19th century Mataemon Tanabe and Yataro Handa refined Tanabe's personal ne waza system for the purpose of defeating the Kodokan. This system produced an early wave of ex-pat challenge-wrestlers who immigrated to the UK, influenced British CACC, and fed into the Budokwai and Bartitsu. Kano absorbed the system into Kodokan Judo, buttressing his system's relatively primitive mat work, but eventually spun it off into the (KOSEN) university system. Maeda was part of a community of a dozen or so Japanese challenger wrestlers, some Kodokan some not - all Tanabe trained- who often trained, traveled and fought together under CACC "Jiu-Jitsu" rules as well as rough-and-tumble/vale tudo rules. Gracie Jiu-Jitsu is neither a form of Judo, nor a form of Jiu-Jitsu; it is a body of techniques from numerous styles favored by Japanese challenge wrestlers, and used in the ring to win rough-and-tumble and "jiu-jitsu wrestling" contests, with its core being the ne waza style of a single dojo (and not any koryu art, Fusen or otherwise) Carlos had a few years exposure to this style but athleticised it in a way that made it difficult to teach to others; Helio removed the athletic element (we would say he out grew his noobspaz), essentially rediscovering the source style Carlos had been taught, and believed (perhaps honestly) that he had invented that source style, despite it being essentially identical to other lineages (like Fadda). The application of this style to street fighting is most likely the primary contribution of the Gracie family. Of course none of this has much bearing on "BJJ" which is a sport invented by people like Rolls Gracie and João Alberto Barreto. What is know today as Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is a body of technique invented an inch at a time by everyone who ever stepped on the mat, some more than others. Still, the historical core of it is the Osaka Tanabe/Handa anti-Kodokan ne waza system, and other related offshoots like KOSEN Judo have an obvious common ancestor.
 
To illustrate that point, I am attaching a composite of illustrations from the Ground Fighting chapter of Tanabe trained Handa dojo man (and Maeda associate) Yukio Tani's 1906 book The Game Of Jujitsu:

 

This is Mataemon Tanabe's newaza.  It's not Kosen, although Kosen is heavily influenced by it; it's not Fusen-ryu any more than Kano's sytem is Tenjin Shinyo-ryu: it's is a rival form of Judo with an independent history (like Fadda to GJJ) that opposed the Kodokan and eventually was absorbed, and then spun off into the (Kosen) University system.

See also my articles at http://mixedmartialartshistory.wordpress.com/