Jason Chambers is doing really good things. He has a good relationship with the big promoters and a lot of other things brewing for his guys, too.
Bryan Hamper is also the man.
Can't go wrong with either. You should definitely give both a chat and see what they can do.
As for a lot of the "big name" managers, be careful. A lot of them will sign everyone, but if you're not a huge name will give you zero attention. I am not referring to Monte-I have heard nothing but great things about him, but a lot of the other "next best thing" managers.
Good luck. Tough decision.
Marcos Avellan -No no I apprechaite the response.12SixElbow -stlnl2 -Right.12SixElbow - Also, guys making thier debut aren't typically ready for managers.
Have a few local pro fights, see how they feel, go from there.
Not sure how many big time managers are going to work with guys who haven't even debued yet.
REAL managers who are really good, would absolutely take on a superstar to be at his early stage, since they know one when they see one, they tend to love to get on the bus early, like........Monte Cox.
Because you can see a superstar who has never had a fight?
Idiotic statement. You can't draft a basketball player you've never seen play ball,
you can't scout football players who've never had a game.
Get the point?
You can't spot a STAR in the training room, it just doesn't work.
Too many guys are MONSTERS in the gym and fucking fold in a fight.
Actually, NBA scouts used to recruit sometimes out of high school, but I think there might be a new rule prohibiting it, but stars like Shawn Kemp were recruited straight from high school. Pro soccer, internationally, is a much bigger and more popular sport than the NBA or NFL, and Real Madrid this year signed a 7 year old: http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/news/_/id/6843531/real-madrid-signs-7-year-old-argentine-prospect-leonel-angel-coira
I think your intentions are good but I think you are misguided about how big a role the right manager can make from the get-go and the ability of talent scouts to notice potential great talent simply by watching a tryout. It is not easy to do - but the right guys have the ability to do it. Just like in anything in life, there are people that are alright - and then there are the specialists. I'm looking for a specialist.
Also, I don't understand why they should get a pro-fight or two and THEN get a manager... what exactly would be different for the fighter? Personally, I think early fights can be VERY challenging to setup and pick. Furthermore, I think early bad losses can be psychologically terrible for a fighter. I personally know a few VERY talented fighters that have 3-6 records because they were self-managed and early on fought fights they shouldn't had fought - and now the effects of those losses have a psychological consequence on their future fights. These guys I'm talking about that have the 3-6 records are damn good and with better match selection, they could have easily started off with a 5-0 record, which changes things for the fighter's confidence and for potential to get noticed by bigger shows.
In the past ten years I have cornered almost 300 fights, I actually keep the exact number, my team has gone 192-74-4, which is about a 72% win rate. I coached and managed Jorge Masvidal to a 10-2 record, Ariel Gandulla to a 5-0 record and WEC Title Fight (he left our gym a few weeks before the title fight, I take no responsibility for what happened afterward), I got Charles McCarthy into the UFC, and I have coached a few guys into Strikeforce and Bellator. However, these days I simply don't have the time to manage these guys, calling up promoters, looking up opponents, etc. PLUS I know there are much better guys than me.
Furthermore, there are managers that are beasts with sponsorships and managing financial matters - even with guys that are nobodies. I know certain guys with only a few fights making decent coin via sponsorship.
My point is that I'm 100% sure there are guys that produce consistent results in this industry and I'm looking for them. I'm getting a lot of recommendations on here and via email - and I appreciate every recommendation by the way! I'm very impressed at how helpful a lot of guys are being via email and on here.
12sixelbow, I know you are trying to help, I'm not trying to debate you, but the same way people are helping me here with advice, I want to be able to share my experiences and reasons for looking for good management so perhaps other young fighters can see another point of view and not suffer a string of early losses because they thought they weren't good enough to receive the right attention already.
I suppose I was unaware that there are sponsorship options out there for these guys who don't really have records.
A lot of great managers were listed in this thread. Here's a few more names to add to the list:
MMA Inc
Paradigm Sports Management
Ingrained Media
VP Elite
Zinkin Entertainment
KO Dynasty
Denaro Sports
Martin Advisory Group
I'm probably leaving a few out but it's been a long day.
Good luck!
GG
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Santino, I read Jason's post and he was pretty spot on. I totally understand the whole, "sign up anybody, throw them any fight, and if they win a few - THEN we'll take a look" approach. I've seen it and that's why I put this post out. There are a couple of "big name" managers that I REFUSE to do anything with based on just a conversation I had with them. I won't get into it, but I am totally inline with what you, Jason, and a bunch of other people have said to me.
It is good to hear fighters reconfirming my concerns though, makes me more determined to get this done right. Like I said, big thanks to everyone for the posts. I got a few emails from different managers and agents, I'll be making some phone calls pretty soon, I'm just letting a few more names and emails come in.
Furthermore, if a manager has the resume and is interested in taking a look at my guys, I'll fly them out next week so that the manager can see them spar and train before committing to anything. If you are interested in this project, send an email to info@FFAgyms.com with "ATTN: MARCOS AVELLAN" in the subject with your phone number and I'll get back to you. Give me a couple of days. Thanks!
Cool 12sixelbow and thanks gorgesjori!
I don't know if he's still managing guys, but if so I'd highly recommend Rory Singer. Great guy who only will have your fighters best interest in mind.
Hey Marcos, is there anyway you can let me know what you think of certain managers and what not. I myself am a upcoming fighter and wouldnt mind some guidance in this area. If you can e-mail me @ ceelopez02@hotmail.com if you have the time I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks
Santino DeFranco - Jason Chambers is doing really good things. He has a good relationship with the big promoters and a lot of other things brewing for his guys, too.
Bryan Hamper is also the man.
Can't go wrong with either. You should definitely give both a chat and see what they can do.
As for a lot of the "big name" managers, be careful. A lot of them will sign everyone, but if you're not a huge name will give you zero attention. I am not referring to Monte-I have heard nothing but great things about him, but a lot of the other "next best thing" managers.
Good luck. Tough decision.
Jason is doing good things in this area. They were quick to give me an answer back when I inquired information. Only thing that made me a sad panda was that they were only looking for clients that had 6 or more pro fights.... sad panda >.<
Alchemist is another agency I contacted TWICE and no answer what so ever...
Suckerpunch Ent. replied within a couple of hours of my inquiry... Sound like they know what to do.. Only thing is they need pro bouts as well...
12SixElbow -stlnl2 -Right.12SixElbow - Also, guys making thier debut aren't typically ready for managers.
Have a few local pro fights, see how they feel, go from there.
Not sure how many big time managers are going to work with guys who haven't even debued yet.
REAL managers who are really good, would absolutely take on a superstar to be at his early stage, since they know one when they see one, they tend to love to get on the bus early, like........Monte Cox.
Because you can see a superstar who has never had a fight?
Idiotic statement. You can't draft a basketball player you've never seen play ball,
you can't scout football players who've never had a game.
Get the point?
You can't spot a STAR in the training room, it just doesn't work.
Too many guys are MONSTERS in the gym and fucking fold in a fight.
Actually I can........and I am damn sure Monte can too. One way you keep gym monsters from getting folded in fights, is to bring them along slowly (you know, that thing managers do....) also, professional Basketball players have been drafted based on how they did in HIGH SCHOOL, so its not I need to see a guy as a pro, to know if he will do well as a pro, JUST LIKE the examples you used........
Sponsorship is big for ammys headed to pro as well, something else those managers can take care of.....do you know too much about this? Or are you using internet rumor info to comment?
Ceelo -Santino DeFranco - Jason Chambers is doing really good things. He has a good relationship with the big promoters and a lot of other things brewing for his guys, too.
Bryan Hamper is also the man.
Can't go wrong with either. You should definitely give both a chat and see what they can do.
As for a lot of the "big name" managers, be careful. A lot of them will sign everyone, but if you're not a huge name will give you zero attention. I am not referring to Monte-I have heard nothing but great things about him, but a lot of the other "next best thing" managers.
Good luck. Tough decision.
Jason is doing good things in this area. They were quick to give me an answer back when I inquired information. Only thing that made me a sad panda was that they were only looking for clients that had 6 or more pro fights.... sad panda >.<
Alchemist is another agency I contacted TWICE and no answer what so ever...
Suckerpunch Ent. replied within a couple of hours of my inquiry... Sound like they know what to do.. Only thing is they need pro bouts as well...
Thanks for the kind words fellas. Brian Hamper is a great guy also, so is Ron Foster. Both are guys to whom I speak weekly and share info, ideas and thoughts. Managers and agents should be working towards the betterment of their clients careers and for the prosperity of the sport, not spending time in twitter battles.
Monte has been building careers from ammy up. 