From an 07?
Would you give the phone back to your husband please
williepep -The Lion King -Taking away headbutts, knees to downed opponents, padding the floors with mats so slams are less impactful, having cage or ropes to lean on, gloves and hand tape to make boxing more effective, Dana bitching at or even firing/not hiring people for wrestling and not engaging striking more (fitch, Shields, askren, etc.), the UFC literally paying fighters more to be strikers through post fight bonuses, etc. already does enough to negate wrestling.
But wrestlers still dominate because wrestling is by far the most competitive and elite level combat sport.
Go watch boxing or kickboxing if you can't accept that.
"But wrestlers still dominate because wrestling is by far the most competitive and elite level combat sport. "
So you acknowledge it is a problem. How do we work to improve the problem ?
It is ok for wrestlers to dominate but it would be more exciting without the use of stalling tactics employed by many wrestlers.
I don't think it's a problem as long as the wrestler isn't stalling with leg jumping (like Khabib in round 1 of the Conor fight) or hiding their face in the opponents crotch (like Hendricks against Lawler)
<blockquote>Winston Wolf - <span id='userPost64759500' class='User-94712'><p>u cant wrestle u cant fight and dollars to donuts OP sucks at wrestling</p></span></blockquote><br /> Cleary this topic has upset you and I did not mean to cause that type of reaction.<br /><br /><br />This is a bit like the reaction from sport BJJ players at the sight of a pajama wrestling comment. <br /><br /><br />I may recall you posting in a thread I made about the wrestling hall of fame in Stillwater or maybe it was a thread you started. <br /><br />
get rid of the most dominant martial art on the planet because forum nerds don't like bad kickboxers who can't stop a takedown or get up afterwards?
yeah, buddy...
you guys should be thankful they got rid of knees on the ground, headbutts, and 12-6... without those, at least all the other guys have a chance...
He won by submission
as in, Khabib did a move to make another grown ass man give up.
Which part should be banned ?
shawarma -Your thread title and actual comment are not really connected.
Of course wrestling shouldn't be banned.
Introduction of rules to make people rush and take more risks would be welcome however. The same way people say 'watch boxing or kickboxing' you can say 'watch wrestling or BJJ' to those that don't mind a 14 minute positional grappling exchange in a 15 minute fight.
People want to watch mixed martial arts not a single discipline. If you can't do damage or go for something in less than a minute you should be stood up. If you can't get a takedown against the cage after hugging a while you should be separated.
A sense of urgency will help the sport and the fighters get more money. Nobody watches boxing for a hug fest and they separate them.
It is illogical to not encourage action via strikes or sub attempts during a grappling exchange. You fail you try again. Not you fail but take your time maybe after 3.5 minutes you will pass guard and maybe attempt a strike or sub.
Yellow cards were a good thing back in pride (albeit a dreadful penalty to a fighter). Perhaps a point deduction is good.
The objective for a fan is to see a clear winner in a fight. That can only be enhanced by making grapple-heavy fighters go for GNP and subs. It isn't a pure striking sport nor a pure grappling sport. So some compromise is needed in the ruleset to avoid a scenario where frequent takedowns win a decision without much damage to a fighter.
Your first statement demonstrates you are most likely the or one of the smartest people posting in this thread.
Good post and as you point out people respond to things that are exciting.
Shugum -The current rules favor the wrestler. Pride did it right w yellow cards for stalling and soccer kicks to grounded opponents
Wrestling is the best art.
Add soccer kicks. Add knees to the head of a downed opponent. Allow 12-6 elbows. Allow headbutts.
If you think opening up the rules is going to make wrestlers LESS effective, you are going to be unpleasantly surprised.
You suddenly make the snapdown and front headlock game viable paths to victory for wrestlers
OP, are you fucking retarded?
"Rule changes involving elbows, up kicks, and soccer kicks, knee on mat etc all favor wrestling as well as removed some of BJJ's weapons."
Yep, you're fucking retarded. Ground striking removes BJJ weapons?
Go watch matbattle you faggot.
Stupid ... Do you not see the difficulty in holding someone down against their will, who has trained in some cases since they were small children, to avoid being taken down, to avoid being held down, to be able to get back up in case they are taken down? An opponent who knows what's coming and has trained for months with people brought in to specifically mimic that style, and is still helpless to avoid it? That is impressive.
williepep - Rule changes involving elbows, up kicks, and soccer kicks, knee on mat etc all favor wrestling as well as removed some of BJJ's weapons. Greatly encourages parts of the wrestling game and makes it less dangerous to rely on.Not to mention time limits being introduced is a great disadvantage to old school BJJ>
The idea is that some rules could be modified to make the game more spectator friendly.
Knees in north south position?
poirier was reduced to tears because he knew there is no way he is ever going to be champion...
and poirer is a bad man...
but totally helpless against the bst martial art on the planet...
and here is the deal...
khabib is not even a real wrestler...
if MMA ever was big enough to get the athletes that are involved in international wrestling before they are past their prime, all the forum nerds would lose their damn minds...
most of you have no clue what is really out there...
mixjitsu -williepep - Rule changes involving elbows, up kicks, and soccer kicks, knee on mat etc all favor wrestling as well as removed some of BJJ's weapons. Greatly encourages parts of the wrestling game and makes it less dangerous to rely on.Not to mention time limits being introduced is a great disadvantage to old school BJJ>
The idea is that some rules could be modified to make the game more spectator friendly.
Knees in north south position?
would not have helped poirier at all tonight…
They already banned chair shots to the head, what next, no kicking out of chokeslams?
LJB -mixjitsu -williepep - Rule changes involving elbows, up kicks, and soccer kicks, knee on mat etc all favor wrestling as well as removed some of BJJ's weapons. Greatly encourages parts of the wrestling game and makes it less dangerous to rely on.Not to mention time limits being introduced is a great disadvantage to old school BJJ>
The idea is that some rules could be modified to make the game more spectator friendly.
Knees in north south position?
would not have helped poirier at all tonight…
I’m talking for wrestlers
Op saviors cock like a fine wine.
StretchPlum - Any time kickboxing has been on tv no one watches.
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A few posters have responded commenting on the Khabib fight or claiming OP is upset because Dustin lost. This is not accurate.
Khabib is a student of Sambo.
Finally got to watch the first round of yesterday’s fight and as a fellow Sambo club champion I am very proud of what Khabib accomplished in round 1. A very nice active, pressuring, yet flowing style.
Huh?
williepep - Should the rules be modified to lessen the impact or use of certain aspects of wrestling in the UFC ?While the current rule set does create an environment where the use of wrestling can lead to championships it also sets the table for boring fights.
Should the UFC be made more fan friendly and create exciting fights by modifying the rules ?
There’s GLORY, Lionfights,KOK and other Kickboxing leagues. Watch them.
sho0ok -Lol you noob...it's called MMA.
Very few belts in UFC are with pure wrestlers.
You just mad that khabib won.
Maybe OP is no noob, maybe you are?
This already HAS happened.
Wrestling and BJJ already did get cut back. You see standups, so if you're going to say "noob" and "mma", then you don't know how it all started. For fuck's sake, we even got standups out of sidemount.
Rounds: Didnt exist and were a clear advantage for grapplers. No clock will let you stand up and catch your breath, after being blanket fucked for 3 straight minutes.
Then let's go further down the "MMA, you noob" line. Muay Thai: Elbows: Not all of them are allowed (12-6). Knees on the ground (if you want to fit that in MT): Very restricting rules. Kicks on the ground: Same thing.
So dial it back a bit. Modern MMA has had SEVERE restrictions done, all so that the real noobs like you, would find it enjoayble.