Wasa-B - Dam, now that's a blast double. Was Ben smiling when he got dumped? Double leg ippon.
Technical question: is that style that Burroughs does with the head ramming thru the solarplex area pretty widespread or is that a Burroughs thing? Would that work well for MMA to defend against guillotines when you shoot with head to the side?
It’s definitely an ‘alternative’ style of double legging. Not the norm and would surely be helpful for submission defense. It existed long before Burroughs, but Burroughs is the undisputed master of it. If Burroughs innovated, it’s in his reliance on it and his willingness to go there from his knees.
It’s among the most timing dependent moves in wrestling.
It’s actually the proper way to shoot a double and not an alternative style.
You are wrong.
I’m not sure how much experience you have in the sport. But, the dominant technique in terms of what is taught and what is executed has the head further to the side than JB uses it. That’s why people call it a Burroughs Double. It’s different than a typical double.
Thanks for the info. My experience is limited to wrestling in high school back in the early 90’s. Our coach was an old school former collegiate wrestler that founded our school’s wrestling program and coached for 30 years and he always drilled us to shoot doubles head in center so that is what i had always assumed was the proper technique and not an alternative one.
Cool response.
It’s definitely a GOOD technique, and it always has been. It’s just not the one typically shown.
In the American wrestling community, there is no argument about which technique is better. They are both great and are shown most often as separate, complimentary moves.
Made me less of a fan of Ben seeing him get his ass kicked like that so easily. I was thinking he was some kind of wrestling phenom. I think Colby and Usman absolutely destroy him.
Made me less of a fan of Ben seeing him get his ass kicked like that so easily. I was thinking he was some kind of wrestling phenom. I think Colby and Usman absolutely destroy him.
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Askren would do the same to Usman and Colby in a wrestling match that Burroughs did to him …Burroughs competes a lot .Askren hasnt in many years This was the exact result expected.He is a phenom an Olympic champ and 2x NCAA champ That is a phenom…Burroughs is one of the greatest ever
Made me less of a fan of Ben seeing him get his ass kicked like that so easily. I was thinking he was some kind of wrestling phenom. I think Colby and Usman absolutely destroy him.
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Askren would do the same to Usman and Colby in a wrestling match that Burroughs did to him …Burroughs competes a lot .Askren hasnt in many years This was the exact result expected.He is a phenom an Olympic champ and 2x NCAA champ That is a phenom…Burroughs is one of the greatest ever
Colby and Usman out wrestle Ben on pure athleticism alone.
I don’t think you understand the levels of wrestling.
Made me less of a fan of Ben seeing him get his ass kicked like that so easily. I was thinking he was some kind of wrestling phenom. I think Colby and Usman absolutely destroy him.
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Askren would do the same to Usman and Colby in a wrestling match that Burroughs did to him …Burroughs competes a lot .Askren hasnt in many years This was the exact result expected.He is a phenom an Olympic champ and 2x NCAA champ That is a phenom…Burroughs is one of the greatest ever
Colby and Usman out wrestle Ben on pure athleticism alone.
Askrens wrestling credentials are a million times better than Usmans and Colbys combined
Winston Wolf - what alot of people dont get is wrestling is technique not just strength and speed which of course help but technique is most important aspect
Where was Bens technique against Burroughs? It was obvious that Burroughs speed and strength was too much for Ben. All the technique in the world couldn't have helped Ben in that match against the superior athlete. Colby and Usman are superior athletes and also superior strikers. Ben has no chance of beating either
You’re an absolute fucktard.
If you don’t see the insane technique that Burroughs has, you clearly don’t understand wrestling in the slightest.
Made me less of a fan of Ben seeing him get his ass kicked like that so easily. I was thinking he was some kind of wrestling phenom. I think Colby and Usman absolutely destroy him.
Winston Wolf - what alot of people dont get is wrestling is technique not just strength and speed which of course help but technique is most important aspect
Where was Bens technique against Burroughs? It was obvious that Burroughs speed and strength was too much for Ben. All the technique in the world couldn't have helped Ben in that match against the superior athlete. Colby and Usman are superior athletes and also superior strikers. Ben has no chance of beating either
JB is current number 1 in the world and has been top 3 in world last 12 years.Askren hasnt wrestled a match in 10 years…JB would do the same to Usman and Colby at the same time or back to back
Made me less of a fan of Ben seeing him get his ass kicked like that so easily. I was thinking he was some kind of wrestling phenom. I think Colby and Usman absolutely destroy him.
Made me less of a fan of Ben seeing him get his ass kicked like that so easily. I was thinking he was some kind of wrestling phenom. I think Colby and Usman absolutely destroy him.
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Askren would do the same to Usman and Colby in a wrestling match that Burroughs did to him …Burroughs competes a lot .Askren hasnt in many years This was the exact result expected.He is a phenom an Olympic champ and 2x NCAA champ That is a phenom…Burroughs is one of the greatest ever
Colby and Usman out wrestle Ben on pure athleticism alone.
Ben Askren is a Hodge trophy winner and an Olympian. Neither Usman nor Colby ever approached those credentials because they were nowhere near as good.
Made me less of a fan of Ben seeing him get his ass kicked like that so easily. I was thinking he was some kind of wrestling phenom. I think Colby and Usman absolutely destroy him.
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Askren would do the same to Usman and Colby in a wrestling match that Burroughs did to him …Burroughs competes a lot .Askren hasnt in many years This was the exact result expected.He is a phenom an Olympic champ and 2x NCAA champ That is a phenom…Burroughs is one of the greatest ever
Colby and Usman out wrestle Ben on pure athleticism alone.
Made me less of a fan of Ben seeing him get his ass kicked like that so easily. I was thinking he was some kind of wrestling phenom. I think Colby and Usman absolutely destroy him.
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That would makes sense if Colby and Usman had already proved they could do much better against Burroughs.
Made me less of a fan of Ben seeing him get his ass kicked like that so easily. I was thinking he was some kind of wrestling phenom. I think Colby and Usman absolutely destroy him.
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That would makes sense if Colby and Usman had already proved they could do much better against Burroughs.
What were Robbie’s credentials when he manhandled Askren and dumped him on his head? Work ethic-wise I could see Usman outhustling Askren. Askren in his current soft body can’t fuck with Usman. Usman outwrestles Askren imho. Less optimistic about Colby, but Colby could make the hands add to his credentials in an MMA fight. Askren got K’d in his last fight and woke back up. Chandler went out for the same amount of time this past Saturday, and his fight was stopped against Friere.
Made me less of a fan of Ben seeing him get his ass kicked like that so easily. I was thinking he was some kind of wrestling phenom. I think Colby and Usman absolutely destroy him.
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That would makes sense if Colby and Usman had already proved they could do much better against Burroughs.
What were Robbie’s credentials when he manhandled Askren and dumped him on his head? Work ethic-wise I could see Usman outhustling Askren. Askren in his current soft body can’t fuck with Usman. Usman outwrestles Askren imho. Less optimistic about Colby, but Colby could make the hands add to his credentials in an MMA fight. Askren got K’d in his last fight and woke back up. Chandler went out for the same amount of time this past Saturday, and his fight was stopped against Friere.
Winston Wolf - what alot of people dont get is wrestling is technique not just strength and speed which of course help but technique is most important aspect
Where was Bens technique against Burroughs? It was obvious that Burroughs speed and strength was too much for Ben. All the technique in the world couldn't have helped Ben in that match against the superior athlete. Colby and Usman are superior athletes and also superior strikers. Ben has no chance of beating either
You have absolutely no comprehension about the realitys of wrestling.
Bens body looked just like that during his wrestling years.
You seriously over estimate strength.
My 20 year old 160 pound son regularly thumps on guys in the 200-220 lb range on the mats, like daily. Why?? He has wrestled for 15 years, those big guys have not. Though most are at least blue belts in BJJ. They still can’t wrestle with my son. At all.
My son could not score a point on Ben in a week of trying.
Just like Ben could not score against Jordan. Levels man…there are many. And only meatheads think strength will beat a superior wrestler…it will not. Fact.
I would put $ on Ben beating Colby and Usman back to back in wrestling matches. Easily.
Winston Wolf - what alot of people dont get is wrestling is technique not just strength and speed which of course help but technique is most important aspect
Where was Bens technique against Burroughs? It was obvious that Burroughs speed and strength was too much for Ben. All the technique in the world couldn't have helped Ben in that match against the superior athlete. Colby and Usman are superior athletes and also superior strikers. Ben has no chance of beating either
You have absolutely no comprehension about the realitys of wrestling.
Bens body looked just like that during his wrestling years.
You seriously over estimate strength.
My 20 year old 160 pound son regularly thumps on guys in the 200-220 lb range on the mats, like daily. Why?? He has wrestled for 15 years, those big guys have not. Though most are at least blue belts in BJJ. They still can’t wrestle with my son. At all.
My son could not score a point on Ben in a week of trying.
Just like Ben could not score against Jordan. Levels man…there are many. And only meatheads think strength will beat a superior wrestler…it will not. Fact.
I would put $ on Ben beating Colby and Usman back to back in wrestling matches. Easily.
Jordan makes all 3 look incompetent.
That reminds me when my high school coach had an in at ISU and we ended up getting Cael to come to a practice… mind you he’s a good size guy, but I was cutting to 215 (I think it was either the first or second year of the weight class in Iowa) and I was definitely stronger than him (I played football generally between 240-250.
and… I was ragdolled like a child. Technique is an absolute motherfucker.