ConqueredbyAlexandertheGreatJJ - Rickson via armbar
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judom - BJJ dudes remind me of Karate. They have all these stories how someone "beat" someone in a gym in a relaxed atmosphere.
Is that the same Marcelo Garcia that lost to a shitty 3rd rate judoka back in Japan ? Took his back and couldn't sink a proper choke for 10 minutes ?
Competition != Training.
i love BJJ as much as anyone and am a purple belt but lmfao @ anyone who thinks training is the same as a real match in a tournement setting or deul meet
PS if thats how Garcia fights in MMA Askren would destroy him in a real fight
how about have Marcello Garcia have a wrestling match against Askren and see how bad Askren beats him ? id say pin in less than a minute or tech fall 10 out of 10 times.Then have them do BJJ which Garcia wins Then MMA which Askren wins
This thread is still silly after all these years. Bjj black belts own bjj brown belts. How much more should they dominate a guy who's never seen a submission game. To be fair, the high school state champ will own the black belt in wrestling. This thread is teh epitome of ghey.
deedzBJJ - A lot of bias by wrestlers claiming its the best art for mma, while I agree D1 wrestlers are awsome mma fighters the main component of that is because they are D1 level athletes who have been weeded out over different levels of the sport.
Most BJJBB are weekend warriors that would not have been able to compete at a d1 level at any sport.
that's why wrestlers get destroyed at NAGA, Grapplers Quest, ADCC etc? because they can't defend subs nor do they know any...Chael Sonnen still doesn't know how to defend against a triangle or arm-bar
Larry Appleton's Chicago Destiny -deedzBJJ - A lot of bias by wrestlers claiming its the best art for mma, while I agree D1 wrestlers are awsome mma fighters the main component of that is because they are D1 level athletes who have been weeded out over different levels of the sport.<br><br>Most BJJBB are weekend warriors that would not have been able to compete at a d1 level at any sport. <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>that's why wrestlers get destroyed at NAGA, Grapplers Quest, ADCC etc? because they can't defend subs nor do they know any...Chael Sonnen still doesn't know how to defend against a triangle or arm-bar <img src="/images/phone/apple.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
Well, at least we give it a shot. I've never actually seen, nor have I heard ofa bjj black belt entering an actual wrestling tournament. I guess getting defeated by children at any sport is sort of demoralizing?
Larry Appleton's Chicago Destiny -deedzBJJ - A lot of bias by wrestlers claiming its the best art for mma, while I agree D1 wrestlers are awsome mma fighters the main component of that is because they are D1 level athletes who have been weeded out over different levels of the sport.that's why wrestlers get destroyed at NAGA, Grapplers Quest, ADCC etc? because they can't defend subs nor do they know any...Chael Sonnen still doesn't know how to defend against a triangle or arm-bar
Most BJJBB are weekend warriors that would not have been able to compete at a d1 level at any sport.
they do ? my friends who wrestled do great in NAGA and GQ.JOn Wiedler kicked ass too along with many many others.Sonnen got subbed in MMA not grappling against the best MMA fighter of all time.I bet he can defend an armbar better than u.Didnt Matt Hughes put Almieda to sleep ? if u want to give MMA examples didnt Lindland put Lutter to sleep ? goes both ways
Winston Wolf -Larry Appleton's Chicago Destiny -deedzBJJ - A lot of bias by wrestlers claiming its the best art for mma, while I agree D1 wrestlers are awsome mma fighters the main component of that is because they are D1 level athletes who have been weeded out over different levels of the sport.that's why wrestlers get destroyed at NAGA, Grapplers Quest, ADCC etc? because they can't defend subs nor do they know any...Chael Sonnen *still* doesn't know how to defend against a triangle or arm-bar
Most BJJBB are weekend warriors that would not have been able to compete at a d1 level at any sport.
they do ? my friends who wrestled do great in NAGA and GQ they have swords won and huge trophies ..JOn Wiedler kicked ass too along with many many others.Sonnen got subbed in MMA not grappling against the best MMA fighter of all time.I bet he can defend an armbar better than u.Didnt Matt Hughes put Almieda to sleep ? if u want to give MMA examples didnt Lindland put Lutter to sleep ? goes both ways
gorillagrappling -Larry Appleton's Chicago Destiny -deedzBJJ - A lot of bias by wrestlers claiming its the best art for mma, while I agree D1 wrestlers are awsome mma fighters the main component of that is because they are D1 level athletes who have been weeded out over different levels of the sport.that's why wrestlers get destroyed at NAGA, Grapplers Quest, ADCC etc? because they can't defend subs nor do they know any...Chael Sonnen still doesn't know how to defend against a triangle or arm-bar
Most BJJBB are weekend warriors that would not have been able to compete at a d1 level at any sport.
Well, at least we give it a shot. I've never actually seen, nor have I heard ofa bjj black belt entering an actual wrestling tournament. I guess getting defeated by children at any sport is sort of demoralizing?
wrestlers play BJJ game and enter their tourneys what id like to see is a BJJ blackbelt entera wrestling tourney.They wont and if they did would not do well unless it was a low level tourney
mtone88 - if you're talking a D1 wrestler who has never trained a day of BJJ in his life vs. a BJJ guy who's never taken a wrestling class once in his life
the bjj guy wins 10/10
This is all
True but if u put a div 1 wrestler into bjj training for 9 months 9/10 he can win a decision off a bjj black belt, he won't finish buy he will maintain top position
ThePoopWizard -Porkchop -ThePoopWizard -leftlegtrumpcard - I have grappled with city champs and state champs. I played with a gi but have rolled no-gi for about four years. It was easy to sub the wrestlers. I would imagine that a bjjbb would sub a d1 wrestler with no sub experience pretty easy. I think there are video's of rickson rolling with college wrestlers somewhere. I seen them on YouTube I think.Again.. Chad mendes.
You have to get the wrestler to the ground in a bjj tournie. They won't give you those 2 if they are d1. If you think so you haven't rolled with a d1 wrestler.
chad mendes understands a little bit about avoiding submissions.Go watch mendes first fights he said he had no bjj he just did camps with uriah
Then he had bjj.
JediJitsu -ThePoopWizard -Porkchop -ThePoopWizard -leftlegtrumpcard - I have grappled with city champs and state champs. I played with a gi but have rolled no-gi for about four years. It was easy to sub the wrestlers. I would imagine that a bjjbb would sub a d1 wrestler with no sub experience pretty easy. I think there are video's of rickson rolling with college wrestlers somewhere. I seen them on YouTube I think.Again.. Chad mendes.
You have to get the wrestler to the ground in a bjj tournie. They won't give you those 2 if they are d1. If you think so you haven't rolled with a d1 wrestler.
chad mendes understands a little bit about avoiding submissions.Go watch mendes first fights he said he had no bjj he just did camps with uriah
Then he had bjj.
Wrestling camps at uc davis. He had as much bjj as a normal bb has of wrestling
Well put.
ThePoopWizard -leftlegtrumpcard - I have grappled with city champs and state champs. I played with a gi but have rolled no-gi for about four years. It was easy to sub the wrestlers. I would imagine that a bjjbb would sub a d1 wrestler with no sub experience pretty easy. I think there are video's of rickson rolling with college wrestlers somewhere. I seen them on YouTube I think.Again.. Chad mendes.
You have to get the wrestler to the ground in a bjj tournie. They won't give you those 2 if they are d1. If you think so you haven't rolled with a d1 wrestler.
uh - yea usually both people have to get to the ground at some point in a bjj competition
man - i would be willing to be 99% of you wrestling snobs don't train bjj, and for sure have never competed in bjj. Also - you probably have never (or haven't in a very long time) competed in wrestling.
technique vs technique it's all about bjj. Many times winner of a wrestling match is simply more fit, aggressive, and iron willed.
take a scrawny, nonathletic bjj guy vs a scrawny, nonathletic wrestler and watch what happens
How about a 4 x All American Division 1 wrestler with a 75lb weight advantage against the BJJ black belt?
Who wins that one?
Anyone care to venture a guess?
mdrndaysamurai - man - i would be willing to be 99% of you wrestling snobs don't train bjj, and for sure have never competed in bjj. Also - you probably have never (or haven't in a very long time) competed in wrestling.
technique vs technique it's all about bjj. Many times winner of a wrestling match is simply more fit, aggressive, and iron willed.
take a scrawny, nonathletic bjj guy vs a scrawny, nonathletic wrestler and watch what happens
What are u talking about?
mdrndaysamurai -ThePoopWizard -leftlegtrumpcard - I have grappled with city champs and state champs. I played with a gi but have rolled no-gi for about four years. It was easy to sub the wrestlers. I would imagine that a bjjbb would sub a d1 wrestler with no sub experience pretty easy. I think there are video's of rickson rolling with college wrestlers somewhere. I seen them on YouTube I think.Again.. Chad mendes.
You have to get the wrestler to the ground in a bjj tournie. They won't give you those 2 if they are d1. If you think so you haven't rolled with a d1 wrestler.
uh - yea usually both people have to get to the ground at some point in a bjj competition
Ya but all he has to do is take you down and get up repeatedly