Renzo would tell u Rickson is much better at everything
Why would Hughes need to take him down? He just has to not get taken down and beat him up.
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u were bringing up the takedown questioning if Rickson could stop it/
I completely disagree with this on multiple levels.
I donāt have time to go elaborate about these fights, and I donāt really think this is the place to do it.
Plus I think weāve had this conversation before.
I will say that Severn tapping out wasnāt āsuspectā.
Bas screaming when Ken hit the kneebar wasnāt āsuspectā.
Don Fryās broken legs werenāt āsuspectā ā and he told me himself theyāre still fucked up from that fight.
So regardless of your strangely confident assertion about fights you think were worked ā Ken has plenty of legit fights and wins vs big names ā and we simply cannot say the same for Rickson.
I also think itās kind of a weird point youāre trying to make.
I thought we had gotten past the Ken thing as just a bad example.
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Maybe you donāt know this, but when Rickson and even Matt Hughes fought there were many different variations on rules, including time limits.
Cole Hughes takes them both
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Striking too?
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This is a solid plan. Hughes has farm power
why isnt this the place to discuss the works ? Watch the 3 fights in question Very obvious works in my opinion NO way he gets KOed by Berry in Berrys hometown in the first round and the fall itself is very suspect as well as Ken releasing a full choke on Kimbo then whisper to him then 20 seconds later gets KOed by 1 punch total jokeā¦And the Frankin fight he clearly falls before getting hit and I agree in a real fight Ken may beat Franklin.The Severn fight was real so was the Bas fight the majority were real But the ones I mentioned are clear works and for me to say the Berry fight is more obvious than the Kimbo and Frankin fight is saying something
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ricksons fights were all legid not fixed u cant say the same for ken .Go watch the Berry fight and u tell me thats real
can someone post the Berry Shamrock fight please ?
most obvious dive i have ever seen in sports competition
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Kens ufc run shits on rickson 3 fight career vs cans
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Indeed!
Steriodal monster wrestlers like Coleman, Frye and Kerr stunned the Brazilian BJJ/Vale tudo scene and game
Itās a thread about Rickson vs Hughes, and you want to go way off subject and start analyzing Ken Shamrock late career suspected works ā a subject that has been beat to death here ā based off someone commenting on Ken ābig brotheringā Frank in comparison to Rickson, and my relatively brief response to that.
I even offered an olive branch of sorts, attempting to close the Ken discussion while complimenting your āold schoolā allegiance to Rickson.
But you ignored all of that and doubled down on fucking Ken Shamrock worked fights of all things.
Dudeā¦
You brought up 3 fights that I would have to type paragraphs about my opinion of them debunking your work assertions.
This is something we have done before ā and the fact that you are so inexplicably confident in your assertions ā means that the resulting back-and-forth would probably be several multi paragraph posts.
Thatās the definition of derailing a thread.
And Iām not saying Iāve never been guilty of that, because I have.
But Iām not going to be the one responsible for it here ā and honestly Iām just not in the mood.
But I tell you whatā¦
Iām working a little overtime this weekend ā which means Iāll be spending most of my time āworkingā on teh OG.
So if this sidetrack pops off, and other members get involved ā I will make time to chime in ā and I might even pontificate.
Until then, Iāll leave you with this:
Even IF (only for sake of argument), every single Ken fight you suspect is a work actually is (a dubious notion) ā the legit part of his MMA career is STILL significantly greater than Ricksonās.
Itās not even debatable!
And while weāre at it ā there is no need to single Ken Shamrock out.
We can make a LOOOONG list of fighters who have both tested themselves, and PROVED themselves, on a much greater level than Rickson Gracie.
And I already explained to you that Iām a fan of Rickson ā and that I appreciate you supporting him!
But you donāt seem to want to hear that.
So I guess Iāll check in tomorrow, and see where weāre at.
ā¦ Sheesh.
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Newton did it very early on and got KOād for his efforts anyway.
Royce almost got his arm broken off by Hughes
Yeah, except it was against fucking Takada. Come on son. If he were out there going life an death grappling CM Punk for 9 minutes, would you still be telling us this shit
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The subject has not just been ābeat to death,ā but beat to āa livingā death.
Way worse.
I have mad respect for Royce and what he did. Particularly in the Severn and Shamrock fights.
But Royce is not remotely comparable in grappling skill to Rickson. He might not be as good as Carlos in pure grappling. And Carlos is far more accomplished in MMA in terms of quality wins and performances
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Too drunk to read now but I did not bring up ken this thread
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Watch the Berry fight then come back and post