Following the advice from another thread here, (http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&thread=1948847&page=1) I have been on the Coan/Phillipi program to improve my dead lift. Got to week 9, and am stuck. I am trying to get to 300. Finished the week 8 routine, which starts with 2 x 285 lbs. Week 9 starts with a single 295. Can't lift it. I can lift 290 and 295 about an inch off the ground. From the 285 lift, I think the sticking point is between the initial lift off the ground to somewhere around knee level.<br /><br />What routine would you recommend for me to get from 285 to 300? It's so close, but I can't seem to get there.<br /><br />It can also be a question of recovery. I ran yesterday, and tried to dead lift today. My previous attempt at 295 / 300 was the day after sparing at Muay Thai. Tough trying to fit in lifting, MT, work, my new running thing to improve cardio, and the rest of life.
Deload everything for a week and you will pull 300. Coan/Philipi is a lot of work, you are not recovered. That's what it sounds like to me with the information given.
Leigh - Blocks can help you strengthen a sticking point range on your dead lift. If its the starting phase, stand on a block so you have to pull from even lower. Obviously drop the weight
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and also recovery is key, if you had a hard training session the day before, it isn't the greatest idea to be attempting deadlifts the following day.
Leigh - Blocks can help you strengthen a sticking point range on your dead lift. If its the starting phase, stand on a block so you have to pull from even lower. Obviously drop the weight <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
I would actually argue the other way with this. Pulling on blocks only improved my deadlift from blocks but not from the floor. Funny thing though, I found it improved my lockout due to grinding through fatigue of the greater ROM.
I agree that pulling from blocks at your sticking point can help a lot. (Example- If you get stuck just below the knee, set up to start your pull from that spot) But pulling from a deficit is not going to do much for your pull off the floor. It will never make sense to me.
jeremy hamilton - I agree that pulling from blocks at your sticking point can help a lot. (Example- If you get stuck just below the knee, set up to start your pull from that spot) But pulling from a deficit is not going to do much for your pull off the floor. It will never make sense to me.
Jeremy,
I think Leigh said to stand on a block, if this is correct then it would help with the start of the pull.
Out To Lunch -jeremy hamilton - I agree that pulling from blocks at your sticking point can help a lot. (Example- If you get stuck just below the knee, set up to start your pull from that spot) But pulling from a deficit is not going to do much for your pull off the floor. It will never make sense to me.
Jeremy,
I think Leigh said to stand on a block, if this is correct then it would help with the start of the pull.
No, I understood, that is what I am arguing against.
jeremy hamilton -Out To Lunch -jeremy hamilton - I agree that pulling from blocks at your sticking point can help a lot. (Example- If you get stuck just below the knee, set up to start your pull from that spot) But pulling from a deficit is not going to do much for your pull off the floor. It will never make sense to me.
Jeremy,
I think Leigh said to stand on a block, if this is correct then it would help with the start of the pull.
No, I understood, that is what I am arguing against.
My reading comprehension is off today. I realized that you understood after I made my post.
A lot of powerlifters recommend pulling from a defecit, but that does not necessarilly mean it works for everyone. I will find out how it works for me soon. I have been pulling from a defecit for multiple weeks. I hope it carrys over.
What do you think helps best with someone that is weak off the floor?
Out To Lunch -jeremy hamilton -Out To Lunch -jeremy hamilton - I agree that pulling from blocks at your sticking point can help a lot. (Example- If you get stuck just below the knee, set up to start your pull from that spot) But pulling from a deficit is not going to do much for your pull off the floor. It will never make sense to me.
Jeremy,
I think Leigh said to stand on a block, if this is correct then it would help with the start of the pull.
No, I understood, that is what I am arguing against.
My reading comprehension is off today. I realized that you understood after I made my post.
A lot of powerlifters recommend pulling from a defecit, but that does not necessarilly mean it works for everyone. I will find out how it works for me soon. I have been pulling from a defecit for multiple weeks. I hope it carrys over.
What do you think helps best with someone that is weak off the floor?
I know this might sound odd but if you are weak off the floor then you just need more practice pulling heavy weights from the floor.
For instance, take 85% of your max and pull multiple singles with that weight until they start to grind out, then shut it down for the day. Next time add 10 lbs and go at it again. You might pull 15 singles or more before they start to grind. Focus on getting super tight and ripping the bar off the floor hard on each set.
jeremy hamilton -Out To Lunch -jeremy hamilton -Out To Lunch -jeremy hamilton - I agree that pulling from blocks at your sticking point can help a lot. (Example- If you get stuck just below the knee, set up to start your pull from that spot) But pulling from a deficit is not going to do much for your pull off the floor. It will never make sense to me.
Jeremy,
I think Leigh said to stand on a block, if this is correct then it would help with the start of the pull.
No, I understood, that is what I am arguing against.
My reading comprehension is off today. I realized that you understood after I made my post.
A lot of powerlifters recommend pulling from a defecit, but that does not necessarilly mean it works for everyone. I will find out how it works for me soon. I have been pulling from a defecit for multiple weeks. I hope it carrys over.
What do you think helps best with someone that is weak off the floor?
I know this might sound odd but if you are weak off the floor then you just need more practice pulling heavy weights from the floor.
It makes sense to me. If you aren't good at something, then work at it until you get better.
The deadlift is not a lift I excel at, someone suggested that I might be person that has to build his deadlift with different exercises instead of improving by deadlifting directly. I don't know if this true or if I just needed a different approach to training ala the singles with 85%.
This is still a work in progress for me.
Out To Lunch -jeremy hamilton -Out To Lunch -jeremy hamilton -Out To Lunch -jeremy hamilton - I agree that pulling from blocks at your sticking point can help a lot. (Example- If you get stuck just below the knee, set up to start your pull from that spot) But pulling from a deficit is not going to do much for your pull off the floor. It will never make sense to me.
Jeremy,
I think Leigh said to stand on a block, if this is correct then it would help with the start of the pull.
No, I understood, that is what I am arguing against.
My reading comprehension is off today. I realized that you understood after I made my post.
A lot of powerlifters recommend pulling from a defecit, but that does not necessarilly mean it works for everyone. I will find out how it works for me soon. I have been pulling from a defecit for multiple weeks. I hope it carrys over.
What do you think helps best with someone that is weak off the floor?
I know this might sound odd but if you are weak off the floor then you just need more practice pulling heavy weights from the floor.
It makes sense to me. If you aren't good at something, then work at it until you get better.
The deadlift is not a lift I excel at, someone suggested that I might be person that has to build his deadlift with different exercises instead of improving by deadlifting directly. I don't know if this true or if I just needed a different approach to training ala the singles with 85%.
This is still a work in progress for me.
I don't really subscribe to that way of doing things. My training has pretty much evolved into just doing the lifts along with some military pressing and pullups. It's just going to come down to consistently straining under heavy weights for years on end.
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Exactly.
Nobody is asking why was he offered a job as a defense minister. Why him?
There are more experienced US military generals to choose from.
Not who Zelenskiy had immediate contact with. The highest ranking member of the US army posting in Ukraine is a LCL.
The Zelenskiy administration is very amateur and there is nothing to say the offer was even serious to begin with.
How do you know if the offer was serious or not?
Are you part of Zelenskij's cabinet?
Every foreigner in Ukraine gets a turn in the cabinet.
JudoEd - I think I will try the lift 85% singles method and try to also get a bit more rest. How many days of rest are you guys putting in between workout days, including your MMA / MT days?<br><br>There may be a technique element as well. I find that my left arm sometimes swing out a little in the beginning of the lift. <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
Lifting is my life so I have no other mma days. I don't know if I would recommend this method for someone doing a lot that will cut into recovery like you do.
I still think you should deload and pull 300 though.
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So I tried lifting 85% singles. Made it 6 before I had to start unloading weight. Also starting to think that I need two days off between training days (lifting, Muay Thai, and running). 
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JudoEd - So I tried lifting 85% singles. Made it 6 before I had to start unloading weight. Also starting to think that I need two days off between training days (lifting, Muay Thai, and running). <img src="/images/phone/droid.png" alt="Phone Post" border="0" style="vertical-align:middle;"/>
When you say "unloading weight" what does this mean? Did you do a bunch of other sets after your 6 singles?
I had to drop 10 lbs for few more singles.
jeremy hamilton -I know this might sound odd but if you are weak off the floor then you just need more practice pulling heavy weights from the floor.Jeremy,
For instance, take 85% of your max and pull multiple singles with that weight until they start to grind out, then shut it down for the day. Next time add 10 lbs and go at it again. You might pull 15 singles or more before they start to grind. Focus on getting super tight and ripping the bar off the floor hard on each set.
You can now add me to the list as someone that pulling from a defecit did not help them with their regular deadlift.
How often should one do the singles approach that you mentioned? Once a week?
Yes 1x a week if you are pulling 85% until they grind. You could always adjust your percentages and pull multiple times a week too. Say 70% for singles until they grind 3xs a week.
I couldn't say which would be best, too many things to factor in.