Daverr -
so, let me get this straight?
GSP's losses to a legend, and a decent mma vet in serra with heavy hands makes it so he cant be goat?
But anderson 4 losses to pretty much nobodys doesnt interfere with his?
wow.
The fact that you consider Okami, Chonan, and Azeredo "nobodies" speaks volumes...
wow
you know what i mean for gods sakes....
they are hardly matt hughes
and
yes we have gsp with 2 losses, 1 legend..
anderson 4, no legends.
can the goat really be anyone other than a heavyweight? can gsp be the goat if hes untouchable at 170, even though he would lose to some MW's, LHW's and HW's? Im not so sure.
Goderson Silva - Every fighter is good until Anderson beats them then because he finishes guys the way he does they aren't good lol who else do you see tapping out Hendo? front kicking Vitor Belfort knocking him clean out?
I could go on and on if he didn't destroy these people the way he does people would think the division is better. fact.
and no, 2012 vitor doesnt count as a legend
maybe if he beat him back in 2002
Goderson Silva -Daverr -
and no, 2012 vitor doesnt count as a legend
You mean the guy who just fucked up Jones' elbow? what about Sakurai who was ranked #1 p4p when Anderson destroyed him? GTFO noob.
Awesomestprimedmybung -Daverr -
so, let me get this straight?
GSP's losses to a legend, and a decent mma vet in serra with heavy hands makes it so he cant be goat?
But anderson 4 losses to pretty much nobodys doesnt interfere with his?
wow.
holy lol@ Matt Serra having "heavy hands".......you do know that his TKO of GSP was his FIRST win by TKO/KO in his entire CAREER?
Goderson Silva -Daverr -Goderson Silva -Daverr -
and no, 2012 vitor doesnt count as a legend
You mean the guy who just fucked up Jones' elbow? what about Sakurai who was ranked #1 p4p when Anderson destroyed him? GTFO noob.
sakurai.. the natural 155er?
lol.
yea, im a noob
Silva was stick thin at that point in his career so yeah, you're a noob.
I get it you don't like Anderson but he is the greatest fighter you will ever see in your lifetime :) deal with it.
Neil McCauley - can the goat really be anyone other than a heavyweight? can gsp be the goat if hes untouchable at 170, even though he would lose to some MW's, LHW's and HW's? Im not so sure.
Yes, in most everyone's opinion the GOAT could be from any division. The ABSOLUTE best fighter of all time would almost always be a HW, but Jones could potentially be that one day.
Most think of GOAT in a "P4P" sense or a legacy sense, not a 'how would they do against the biggest fighters' sense...
Daverr -Goderson Silva -Daverr -Goderson Silva -Daverr -
and no, 2012 vitor doesnt count as a legend
You mean the guy who just fucked up Jones' elbow? what about Sakurai who was ranked #1 p4p when Anderson destroyed him? GTFO noob.
sakurai.. the natural 155er?
lol.
yea, im a noob
Silva was stick thin at that point in his career so yeah, you're a noob.
I get it you don't like Anderson but he is the greatest fighter you will ever see in your lifetime :) deal with it.
why cause dana says so??
i bet you old scool mma fans like me side towards gsp.
id say more of the newbies towards anderson bescause dana says so
zuffa zombies
You're wrong. Sakurai is also not a "natural 155er".
So yes, you are trolling or a n00b.
If we did a poll of "old school" MMA fans the votes would be OVERWHELMING for Anderson or Fedor and GSP doesn't even need to be on the poll. Most of the "old school" MMA fans are fans of FINISHING and beating the ever living shit out of fighters, not pointing your way safely over your opponent using their weakest points against them.
Dong Johnson -Print - Beating Forrest (stylisticaly a ridiculously easy fight for silva) is like GSP beating beating Rich or Sonnen?
LOL ABORT THREAD
GSP can't beat Rich or Sonnen.
I also don't think he could beat:
Weidman
Bisping
Belcher
Thiaguy - I love how Daverr brings the facts
Emotional and over sensitive Anderson fans are in total denial
They never adress any of his points
Always bring up their own irrelavant points instead
Here's what the typical Anderson fan in this thread has been doing:
Deflect, deflect, ignore, and deny.
Typical
No such thing as a GOAT in a Sport so young. We have only scratched the surface of what this Sport can and will become. There are only Pioneers, HOF'ers and Legends. Right now GSP is a Pioneer that is well on his way to be a HOF'er.
SinCityHustler -OnlyTheStrongSurvive -NastyNate420 -Goderson Silva - GSP, Fedor, Anderson are the GOATS leave it at that whichever one you think is just think it it's hard to change someones mind on who is the greatest and who isn't lol
Very true, very true. I'd also put Hendo in there, but that's my personal opinion, which is exactly what p4p is, a personal opinion. I was just trying to make an argument, I do think Andy has it now, but GSP has a great chance of taking over in the years to come.I don't really get Hendo in the goat conversation personally. His record would look a lot different if he didn't win a bunch of generous decisions.
He had pretty definitive losses to guys like Shields, Lil Nog and Misaki in his prime. Silva beat him pretty bad. And his best wins are against guys I believe were past their prime and not the best in their division at the time he beat them.
Obviously I'm nitpicking, he is a legend and definite hall of famer when a real hof exists, I just don't see his career being on the level of guys like Silva, GSP, Fedor, Penn, Hughes, Big Nog, etc.
Hendo beat Carlos Newton for the UFC tournament win when Newton was a wizzard. That was a huge win both for the stakes as well as because of the level of opponent.
Hendo beat Minotauro 1 short year prior to Mino knocking off Mark Coleman for the Pride HW championship
Hendo beat Murillo Bustamonte when everyone considered Busta one of the very best in the world in his weight class. And he not only beat him, he stopped him. Then he beat him again in the rematch.
Hendo KOd Wand when no other light heavyweight had been able to do it in 9 years, (Vitor Belfort)
Hendo KOs Fedor in one of the most anticipated match ups in recent MMA history. And this while barely making the heavyweight minimum. He oges out there and exchanges bombs with Emelianenko. No tactics, just fighting head up.
Now lets throw in world titles at middle weight and light heavyweight across 3 different major organizations.
Throw in wins over what many consider the top 2 heavyweights of all time, Mino and Fedor.
Hendo never played it safe like is so popular to day by many of the champions, including one who is in regular discussions for GOAT and his record paid for it with decision losses here and there. But make no mistake, Hendo not only beat, he stopped some of the greats.
I agree with everything you said, although once again the Newton and Nog wins were controversial, as was the win over Rich Franklin. He's an all-time great, no question. Just not the best ever 
Thiaguy -UGCTT_LnPninja -Neil McCauley - can the goat really be anyone other than a heavyweight? can gsp be the goat if hes untouchable at 170, even though he would lose to some MW's, LHW's and HW's? Im not so sure.
Yes, in most everyone's opinion the GOAT could be from any division. The ABSOLUTE best fighter of all time would almost always be a HW, but Jones could potentially be that one day.
Most think of GOAT in a "P4P" sense or a legacy sense, not a 'how would they do against the biggest fighters' sense...
"Jones could be that some day" lol
I don't even like Jones, and I doubt he will go on to be the greatest (not even close actually)
But strictly talking about just their resumes etc
Jones already has a much much better record then Anderson has
So does Gsp
LMFAO
Jones has 5 Top 10 wins EVER, Anderson has 16.
Jones has 3 title defenses, Anderson has 10.
Jones has NEVER fought an opponent who was larger than him overall. Anderson's about to do it yet again.
This is my problem with anderson... He gets so much praise and I just cant see it over GSP.
GSP is a great humble down to earth dude, fights in the most stacked division, and absolutley kills every1 in his path( finish or not) He has beat 2 legends twice, not to mention a whos whos of multi talented opponents. Olny has 2 losses which he has avenged both brutally.
Then we have AS, fights in the worst division (every1 knows this) we can see names like lutter, cote, irvin, soon to be bonner on his resume, also we have 4 .. 4 LOSSES (none to which are legends) he has disrespected his opponenst and fans by acting like a fool in the ring..
and yet. Anderson silva is the best eva...
and im sorry, i dont agree at all.
OnlyTheStrongSurvive -SinCityHustler -
Hendo beat Carlos Newton for the UFC tournament win when Newton was a wizzard. That was a huge win both for the stakes as well as because of the level of opponent.
Hendo beat Minotauro 1 short year prior to Mino knocking off Mark Coleman for the Pride HW championship
Hendo beat Murillo Bustamonte when everyone considered Busta one of the very best in the world in his weight class. And he not only beat him, he stopped him. Then he beat him again in the rematch.
Hendo KOd Wand when no other light heavyweight had been able to do it in 9 years, (Vitor Belfort)
Hendo KOs Fedor in one of the most anticipated match ups in recent MMA history. And this while barely making the heavyweight minimum. He oges out there and exchanges bombs with Emelianenko. No tactics, just fighting head up.
Now lets throw in world titles at middle weight and light heavyweight across 3 different major organizations.
Throw in wins over what many consider the top 2 heavyweights of all time, Mino and Fedor.
Hendo never played it safe like is so popular to day by many of the champions, including one who is in regular discussions for GOAT and his record paid for it with decision losses here and there. But make no mistake, Hendo not only beat, he stopped some of the greats.
I agree with everything you said, although once again the Newton and Nog wins were controversial, as was the win over Rich Franklin. He's an all-time great, no question. Just not the best ever <img alt="Phone Post" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align: middle;" /></blockquote>
To boot if we are comparing, there is nothing controvercial about what Anderson did to Newton and Frankil twice ;)
i also love how i get voted down so much for having a opinion..
a reasonable one at that...
common now
