This is my problem with anderson... He gets so much praise and I just cant see it over GSP.
GSP is a great humble down to earth dude, fights in the most stacked division, and absolutley kills every1 in his path( finish or not) He has beat 2 legends twice, not to mention a whos whos of multi talented opponents. Olny has 2 losses which he has avenged both brutally.
Then we have AS, fights in the worst division (every1 knows this) we can see names like lutter, cote, irvin, soon to be bonner on his resume, also we have 4 .. 4 LOSSES (none to which are legends) he has disrespected his opponenst and fans by acting like a fool in the ring..
and yet. Anderson silva is the best eva...
and im sorry, i dont agree at all.
Those names you keep dropping as crappy wins make you look stupid...
Lutter = Serra...how did that work out for GSP?
Irvin/Forrest/Bonnar are NOT from Anderson's division, and nothing GSP has done compares really.
GSP also didn't "absolutely kill" Hardy, Koscheck or Shields. Even GSP himself is very critical of those performances...
Print - Beating Forrest (stylisticaly a ridiculously easy fight for silva) is like GSP beating beating Rich or Sonnen?
LOL ABORT THREAD
GSP can't beat Rich or Sonnen.
I also don't think he could beat:
Weidman
Bisping
Belcher
So you adamantly suggest GSP fight anderson when you dont even think he can beat the middlweight contenders? How dare you! Atleast I think Anderson would kick every 205ers ass outside of mr bones and even mr bones might be in trouble. You want to see a one sided drubbing, i want a fight of legends! fans of great fights > fans of great fighters
Immaculata - No such thing as a GOAT in a Sport so young. We have only scratched the surface of what this Sport can and will become. There are only Pioneers, HOF'ers and Legends. Right now GSP is a Pioneer that is well on his way to be a HOF'er.
Hendo beat Carlos Newton for the UFC tournament win when Newton was a wizzard. That was a huge win both for the stakes as well as because of the level of opponent.
Hendo beat Minotauro 1 short year prior to Mino knocking off Mark Coleman for the Pride HW championship
Hendo beat Murillo Bustamonte when everyone considered Busta one of the very best in the world in his weight class. And he not only beat him, he stopped him. Then he beat him again in the rematch.
Hendo KOd Wand when no other light heavyweight had been able to do it in 9 years, (Vitor Belfort)
Hendo KOs Fedor in one of the most anticipated match ups in recent MMA history. And this while barely making the heavyweight minimum. He oges out there and exchanges bombs with Emelianenko. No tactics, just fighting head up.
Now lets throw in world titles at middle weight and light heavyweight across 3 different major organizations.
Throw in wins over what many consider the top 2 heavyweights of all time, Mino and Fedor.
Hendo never played it safe like is so popular to day by many of the champions, including one who is in regular discussions for GOAT and his record paid for it with decision losses here and there. But make no mistake, Hendo not only beat, he stopped some of the greats.
I agree with everything you said, although once again the Newton and Nog wins were controversial, as was the win over Rich Franklin. He's an all-time great, no question. Just not the best ever <img alt="Phone Post" border="0" src="/images/phone/droid.png" style="vertical-align: middle;" /></blockquote>
To boot if we are comparing, there is nothing controvercial about what Anderson did to Newton and Frankil twice ;)
Beautiful knee by Anderson. I remember that fight like it was yesterday
Anderson is a phenomenal striker. Always has been! He's amazing!
It is a shame though, that so many fights of his career have been waisted on lesser opponents
I would have loved to Anderson fights the top at 205.
There is no doubt Anderson wouldve done well, but he never took the chance to begin with, and instead took on easier fights, and waisted his talent away on sup par competition etc
I would have loved to see GSP fight the tops at 185.
There is no doubt GSP would have done well, but he never took the chance to begin with, and instead stayed at 170 and wasted his talent on sub par competition etc.
Such a dumb argument.
When Anderson is in his peak shape he is ~200 with 9% body fat.
When GSP is in his best shape he is ~190 with 5% body fat.
NIETHER of them needs to move up. One of them has done it though.
That said GSP is closer in weight to 185 than Anderson to 205.
You should also educate yourself on WHY Anderson ended up facing James Irvin and Forrest Griffin. There were multiple fighters at 205 who REFUSED the Anderson fight. Rashad/Thiago Silva/Brandon Vera/Kieth Jardine just to name the ones we know of. You think any of the Top 10 at 185 would REFUSE a GSP fight? Hell no. There is a reason that those guys refused Anderson.
Print - Beating Forrest (stylisticaly a ridiculously easy fight for silva) is like GSP beating beating Rich or Sonnen?
LOL ABORT THREAD
GSP can't beat Rich or Sonnen.
I also don't think he could beat:
Weidman
Bisping
Belcher
So you adamantly suggest GSP fight anderson when you dont even think he can beat the middlweight contenders? How dare you! Atleast I think Anderson would kick every 205ers ass outside of mr bones and even mr bones might be in trouble. You want to see a one sided drubbing, i want a fight of legends! fans of great fights > fans of great fighters
I want to see Andy vs GSP at a catch weight.
None of those guys could get below 185 safely and certainly not 175 or so...that is part fo the reason I don't think GSOP could beat them. They are big dudes weight wise. Anderson is not (relatively speaking).
and to address the serra remarks.. yes the guy is a jj guy, but for a bjj guy he is known to have heavy hands. now this is just coming from hearing from other mma guys/ shit like that but im just saying,
bottomline i know the serra fight was a fluke.. hence so did the ufc since he didnt get a 3rd match with gsp..
This is my problem with anderson... He gets so much praise and I just cant see it over GSP.
GSP is a great humble down to earth dude, fights in the most stacked division, and absolutley kills every1 in his path( finish or not) He has beat 2 legends twice, not to mention a whos whos of multi talented opponents. Olny has 2 losses which he has avenged both brutally.
Then we have AS, fights in the worst division (every1 knows this) we can see names like lutter, cote, irvin, soon to be bonner on his resume, also we have 4 .. 4 LOSSES (none to which are legends) he has disrespected his opponenst and fans by acting like a fool in the ring..
and yet. Anderson silva is the best eva...
and im sorry, i dont agree at all.
I have no dog in this fight. I used to like GSP a lot but...
WTF the man won't (wouldn't) fight AS I have no clue about. He is a great wrestler and striker (although sadly he's resorted to LNP) and is the better complete fighter. I expected him long ago to take on the best but he just refused. I'm telling you now the only was he fights AS is at 170 period, mark my word on that.
This is the issue with GSP and there is no way around even as you have point some of AS's issues (GOAT).
Moreover look at MW now! Whereas it was so weak, you have Ace, Belcher, Weidman, Carmont and Sonnen (among others and in no order). That's no friggin joke bro! MW is finally on the rise!
Daverr - i also love how i get voted down so much for having a opinion..
a reasonable one at that...
common now
now you're being a whiny little cunt.
you saying Serra has "heavy hands" based entirely on him TKO'ing GSP shows how full of shit you are. you know how many more TKO's Serra had after the fight with GSP? 1.
that's a huge total of 2 TKO's in his entire career. so much for heavy hands. i thought people with heavy hands made a career of knocking people out.
serra has shown nice power at welterweight. I remember he put karo on queer street back in the day. He beat the hell out of gsp in their first fight. Ko'd trigg. Dropped hughes (although was that more to do headbutt?). The only guy who hasnt fallen from serras power since moving up to welterweight, is the iron chinned, unfinishable, former pro boxer in chris lytle.
Daverr - i also love how i get voted down so much for having a opinion..
a reasonable one at that...
common now
now you're being a whiny little cunt.
you saying Serra has "heavy hands" based entirely on him TKO'ing GSP shows how full of shit you are. you know how many more TKO's Serra had after the fight with GSP? 1.
that's a huge total of 2 TKO's in his entire career. so much for heavy hands. i thought people with heavy hands made a career of knocking people out.
serra has shown nice power at welterweight. I remember he put karo on queer street back in the day. He beat the hell out of gsp in their first fight. Ko'd trigg. Dropped hughes (although was that more to do headbutt?). The only guy who hasnt fallen from serras power since moving up to welterweight, is the iron chinned, unfinishable, former pro boxer in chris lytle.
Immaculata - No such thing as a GOAT in a Sport so young. We have only scratched the surface of what this Sport can and will become. There are only Pioneers, HOF'ers and Legends. Right now GSP is a Pioneer that is well on his way to be a HOF'er.
If GSP retired today he should be in the HOF.
I can respect what you're saying, but he's turned into a Pat Militech 2.0. Do you see Pat in the HOF? Pat Miletich is one of the most well rounded MMA Fighters/Coaches ever. He PIONEERED well roundeness, like Eric Paulson and Matt Hume! There has been some controversy issues on Pat being exciting, and his "Decision" over Mikey Burnett. If they (ZUFFA) can keep a well deserved veteran/Legend of the Sport, then don't be surprised if GSP doesn't make it.
